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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 12:18 AM Oct 2016

US May Be Permanently Fractured No Matter How The Election Turns Out.

This election seems to morphing into the most hateful event since the Civil War. The only thing really missing is armed conflict. Each day Trump and his allies inflame, cajole and encourage the "faithful" Trump humpers to be more aggressive and mean. The rallies sound more like a Confederate war cry than they do an election rally.

Trump exuded so much hate during the faux debate that it was palpable. Never in the history of debate has a candidate showed so much anger and visceral hatred toward and opponent. In another venue Hillary would have been assaulted. And GOP supporters grow more hateful of others who are NOT GOP supporters. I see few signs out for either candidate where I live. And I see no bumper stickers either.

In some areas putting a Hillary or Dem bumper sticker on your car most likely will put you and your family in danger. The likely hood of confrontation with a Trump bumper is likely growing every day. And it could really get dicey should it be really clear that Trump is going to lose.

At 72 I have never seen an election that feels this vicious and hateful. We are at an impasse where NO progress seems possible and the GOP is willing to scuttle the entire nation rather than have a government that works. .

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US May Be Permanently Fractured No Matter How The Election Turns Out. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Oct 2016 OP
If/when trump loses, i expect violence. pangaia Oct 2016 #1
I Am Concerned About The Feel And Tenor Of Things This Far In. TheMastersNemesis Oct 2016 #2
They are making a big mistake if they push it too far. roamer65 Oct 2016 #3
on the other hand lilsourgoose Oct 2016 #4
Thanks to Trump, politics is becoming a literal "blood sport" King_Klonopin Oct 2016 #5
That will show Barack Obama wont it. MFM008 Oct 2016 #6
The US has been badly fractured for as long as I can remember struggle4progress Oct 2016 #7
Precisely Sherman A1 Oct 2016 #9
Let them threaten other Americans all they want Shankapotomus Oct 2016 #8
But they own a lot of guns spinbaby Oct 2016 #10
Which is why I don't have a yard sign or a bumper sticker MiniMe Oct 2016 #19
The basket of deplorables needs to be more #DumpsterOfDeplorables Snarkoleptic Oct 2016 #11
Wasn't it under Sir Ronald of Ray-Gun GWC58 Oct 2016 #13
I'll tell you what. In my experience, when something is broken, it's best to tear it back down to underahedgerow Oct 2016 #12
This is what happens when you cultivate a nationalist atmosphere at your rallies. HughBeaumont Oct 2016 #14
Good. There is no room for Trumpfans. AngryAmish Oct 2016 #15
I think the damage has already been done. kentuck Oct 2016 #16
Is that real? The2ndWheel Oct 2016 #18
I think Clinton really will try to heal the divisions. ananda Oct 2016 #17
Divisions don't get healed The2ndWheel Oct 2016 #22
It is coming to head kwolf68 Oct 2016 #20
trump is setting up his throngs with the 'rigged election' 'stolen election' bullshit spanone Oct 2016 #21
This election should pretty much crush their resistance. ileus Oct 2016 #23
Um, were you around the past two election cycles? snooper2 Oct 2016 #24
 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
2. I Am Concerned About The Feel And Tenor Of Things This Far In.
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 12:31 AM
Oct 2016

The next 30 days looks more and more ominous. The little snippets of Trump rallies and his stump speech seem to be close to incitement of violence. Ginning up the crowd and being more onerous is a strategy. They want to turn enough voters off people do not vote. That strategy is another tactic to drive down the vote.

The reaction of the crowd to Trump's diatribes is deranged. The code talk is that Hillary and the Democrats will destroy you and your family. Go get them.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
3. They are making a big mistake if they push it too far.
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 12:34 AM
Oct 2016

A very BIG mistake.

It will be all "fun and games" for them until the black helicopters show up.

lilsourgoose

(92 posts)
4. on the other hand
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 12:54 AM
Oct 2016

...perhaps when Trump's insane techniques crash and burn and he goes down in electoral flames, the Republican voters (if there are any left) will gravitate towards the most stable, most polite candidate available come the next election cycle? Surely no one wants a repeat of this mess.

King_Klonopin

(1,307 posts)
5. Thanks to Trump, politics is becoming a literal "blood sport"
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 02:17 AM
Oct 2016

No longer a heated debate based on different beliefs or ideas.

I live in Massachusetts, which is one of the more blue states
in the country. I see a smattering of Trump signs and bumper
stickers, but rarely a Clinton sign or sticker. I do not have
either myself, as I usually don't bother with them. But, I was
thinking to myself that these people with the Trump signs and
stickers must truly believe he is a better candidate and a better
PERSON than Hillary Clinton. Therefore, they must be so irrational
and so full of rage that I wouldn't want to invite the briefest of
interaction or political "conversation" with such a person.

I suspect this is the reason why we don't see many Clinton signs:

If I have to convince you that Clinton is vastly superior to Trump
in every measure, then you are beyond reason or redemption.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
9. Precisely
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 05:26 AM
Oct 2016

The lines of the fracture may shift a bit from time to time, but it has been so since the country was founded and before. This is hardly anything new. The only real changes are the technology that delivers us the information on the various forms of the fracture to our homes, cell phones and computers.

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
8. Let them threaten other Americans all they want
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 03:27 AM
Oct 2016

Why should people on the Left be afraid of our agenda succeeding?

If the alt-right doesn't like it, they can get out.

They don't own this country.

spinbaby

(15,090 posts)
10. But they own a lot of guns
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 06:55 AM
Oct 2016

So we'll have a lot of deranged and bitter Trump supporters with guns. What could possibly go wrong?

Snarkoleptic

(6,002 posts)
11. The basket of deplorables needs to be more #DumpsterOfDeplorables
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 07:46 AM
Oct 2016

I feel that Reagan started the slide into madness with his loony economic policies.
Add to that Limbaugh and Murdoch, who blamed and vilified liberalism, and taught those who lack critical skills to vote against their own interest and boom...here we are.

GWC58

(2,678 posts)
13. Wasn't it under Sir Ronald of Ray-Gun
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 08:06 AM
Oct 2016

the Fairness Doctrine was scuttled? That was the start of RW hate radio. 30 some years of that shit has accomplished what it set out to do, push conservative "values." I, myself, find those people, Limbaugh, Hewitt, etc, etc to be repugnant and repulsive!

underahedgerow

(1,232 posts)
12. I'll tell you what. In my experience, when something is broken, it's best to tear it back down to
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 07:54 AM
Oct 2016

the bare bones and rebuild it correctly, with elements you know are proven and that will work for the long term. Most problems in any system, whether it's machinery, a household or in business and government are caused by shoddy workmanship, too many 'cooks in the kitchen', each with a different idea on how something should work, and by using cheap materials.

The US political system is broken. There are so, so many ways it can be improved, but it has to come from a small, well advised consensus, which means, again, changing something dramatically.

Frankly, the system is far too large, bloated and cumbersome, and the first thing that needs to be dramatically overhauled is the election system and the Constitution.

Good luck. Me and Obama? We could fix it and create something wonderful.

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
14. This is what happens when you cultivate a nationalist atmosphere at your rallies.
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 08:12 AM
Oct 2016

His round-ups should have RaHoWa and Skrewdriver as a soundtrack.

He's got the jackbooted thugs removing anyone that doesn't look right.

Tom Metzger and David Duke's dreams came true. White Nationalism got mainstreamed.

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
16. I think the damage has already been done.
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 09:43 AM
Oct 2016

The campaign of Donald Trump is just the culmination of many events over the last several years.

They cannot accept that the majority of America does not agree with them. It must be rigged? Or it is the fault of the "lamestream media"?

Trump has been very bad for our country. He has sown derision and division and has appealed to the worst parts of our nature.

It is unfortunate that once the election is over that everything cannot go back to normal. But, it can't. We have to deal with the extremism, the racism, and the sexism that Donald Trump has introduced with his divisive campaign.

That might be the toughest job for the new President?

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
18. Is that real?
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 10:10 AM
Oct 2016
They cannot accept that the majority of America does not agree with them. It must be rigged? Or it is the fault of the "lamestream media"?


When Bush was voted into office twice, nobody went with the rigged election thing? Everyone on the left loves the mainstream media? Everyone thinks the vote is rigged against their side if they lose, and everybody blames the mainstream media for everything.

The only thing that holds this country together are taxes and inertia.

ananda

(28,877 posts)
17. I think Clinton really will try to heal the divisions.
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 10:09 AM
Oct 2016

If she gets the senate, things can really get better
with a new SCOTUS.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
22. Divisions don't get healed
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 10:42 AM
Oct 2016

You either make the other side conform to what you want them to do, or give everyone enough fuck you money that nobody has to deal with anyone they disagree with.

kwolf68

(7,365 posts)
20. It is coming to head
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 10:20 AM
Oct 2016

There will be violence...if it has been pounded non stop into your head for 20-30 years via faux media conglomerates and AM radio hucksters that Democrats are enemies of the state and you follow that up with liberty's tree must be washed with blood battle cry and ALL of this propaganda is centered toward uneducated men with lots of guns the consequences are not hard to fathom.

spanone

(135,886 posts)
21. trump is setting up his throngs with the 'rigged election' 'stolen election' bullshit
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 10:22 AM
Oct 2016

so he'll never really lose, they will steal it from him

ileus

(15,396 posts)
23. This election should pretty much crush their resistance.
Tue Oct 11, 2016, 10:46 AM
Oct 2016

4 more years roll by bunches of anti Hillary and Barack folks will have went to the grave. The rest will have gave up to our way of being.

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