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ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 02:12 AM Oct 2016

Noted Historian Simon Schama Predicts What Will Happen After Hillary Wins

Simon Schama, a brilliant British historian has tweeted a series of predictions on what he thinks we can expect to see happen, based on his intimate knowledge of history (and if anyone would know this stuff, it's this guy). He says the playbook for fascists (of which Drumpf is definitely one--or maybe more accurately, a wannabe fascist in training) is pretty standard, so look for these things to happen.

1. Nov 9th: "stab in the back theory" (standard for fascists), Drumpf will accuse GOP leadership of betrayal and his civil war on the right begins.

2. By inauguration day 2017: Drumpf's fascists will have established "The American Party" to which 20 or so House members will gravitate. Chaos.

3. A yuge chasm opens up between The American Party and its rank and file and almost all traditional GOP support: business, especially.

4. Spring 2017: Fascist in chief establishes Trump Media to do for The American Party what Murdoch's Fox did for GOP, Roger Ailes at its head.

5. Inaugurating Trump News, Trumpolini speaks of "fraud" of the election, reiterates "stab in the back", says "it's just the beginning."

6. May 2017: As Merrick Garland hearings open in Dem controlled Senate, Trump asks "Second Amendment people" to do ..something.

7. June 2017: Polls show that one in three don't accept HRC as legitimately elected President. American Party holds first conference: flags, guns.

I hope I'm wrong.

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Noted Historian Simon Schama Predicts What Will Happen After Hillary Wins (Original Post) ChoppinBroccoli Oct 2016 OP
in pretty tired of crazy , rabid, gun crazy assholes MFM008 Oct 2016 #1
Have only seen Schama's series, saltpoint Oct 2016 #2
I dispute part of #4 Warpy Oct 2016 #3
Even without the lawsuits, murielm99 Oct 2016 #16
Uday Vs. Qusay, Americano Style Achilleaze Oct 2016 #21
Children of the Corn finally realizes it's power underpants Oct 2016 #27
I'm sure Ailes also has a non-compete with Fox, given the $ they plied him with hatrack Oct 2016 #25
Have a link or a source? Agnosticsherbet Oct 2016 #4
Schama's twitter feed. LeftyMom Oct 2016 #7
Thanks Agnosticsherbet Oct 2016 #8
I question the notion that Merrick Garland will be renominated. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2016 #5
Only one thing wrong… I will bet he calls it the "Trump" party world wide wally Oct 2016 #6
You have forgotten how the GOP treated the Tea Party: DetlefK Oct 2016 #10
Yeap, tRump is a leech ... but hopefully he'll suck enough of em dry to screw the GOP by 2018... uponit7771 Oct 2016 #11
hasn't this already happned but the american party is the "tea party" and the result has led to JI7 Oct 2016 #12
Close but not quite jmowreader Oct 2016 #22
The first reference is one that harkens to anti-Semitism. Behind the Aegis Oct 2016 #13
Interesting overview of this concept: klook Oct 2016 #14
she's choppin! uh! (I have to say that every time I see your username) Divine Discontent Oct 2016 #15
"I TOTALLY WON THE ELECTION, OKAY?" Retired George Oct 2016 #17
I think his May 17 is wrong rpannier Oct 2016 #18
I think Mcconnell will hold hearings November 9th yeoman6987 Oct 2016 #29
He will be confirmed GulfCoast66 Oct 2016 #30
That could happen rpannier Oct 2016 #31
I think the Republicans will use the same strategy they used under Bill Clinton and Obama.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2016 #19
I find the unanimous consent crap silly and counterproductive rpannier Oct 2016 #33
Just like Obama's election win caused some people to claim that racism is over, Quantess Oct 2016 #20
The one thing I know about DT and his minions .. ananda Oct 2016 #23
Bookmarking underpants Oct 2016 #26
American party pamdb Oct 2016 #28
sounds about right heaven05 Oct 2016 #32

saltpoint

(50,986 posts)
2. Have only seen Schama's series,
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 02:28 AM
Oct 2016
The Power of Art, which is excellent stuff. Haven't followed this latest series of observations on Trump et al.

Trump has already marked off no. 1 on the list. Ryan's a loser, McCain is a foul-mouthed coward, the Republicans are all turncoats, etc.

A split in the Republican Party may happen. It may already have happened, if not officially declared. I certainly don't have the notion that Reince Priebus knows how to unite the disparate factions of his party. They seem as remote from each other as ever.

A Trump Media? I could see it Breitbarting its way onto the airwaves.

Warpy

(111,352 posts)
3. I dispute part of #4
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 02:30 AM
Oct 2016

Ailes is morbidly obese and 76. He'll be bogged down in lawsuits. Someone else will have to head Drumpf Propaganda Central.

Actually, Drumpf himself isn't in the best of health. While he's likely to poison the near future, the prognosis for more than a couple of years isn't that great. He's deteriorating mentally as it is and when it can't be glossed over even for morons, there will be a power vacuum that they will fight each other over for a decade or more, by which time the whole country will have moved on to something completely different. Uday and Qusay will fight each other, of course, neither of them possessing the charisma of the old man and being acceptable to the rank and file.

Short term, it will be unpleasant for anyone who gets within yelling distance of one of Trump's Chumps. However, he's too damned old and he's deteriorating and won't be a long term threat.

murielm99

(30,764 posts)
16. Even without the lawsuits,
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 04:39 AM
Oct 2016

Trump is losing his empire. Fewer people are staying in his hotels and using his golf courses. If his children are going to fight anything, it will be each other. They will have to figure out how to keep the money rolling in. They are just as much poison as the old man.

hatrack

(59,592 posts)
25. I'm sure Ailes also has a non-compete with Fox, given the $ they plied him with
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:03 AM
Oct 2016

Not that this would matter to him, but it's potentially enough to generate costly legal problems if he's involved with the "news" network.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
5. I question the notion that Merrick Garland will be renominated.
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 02:35 AM
Oct 2016

Any nominee who is not approved by the end of the Congress would have to be re-nominated by the new President. Garland made sense in a Republican Majority. He was well known, and had bee approved by a supermajority of Senators already.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
10. You have forgotten how the GOP treated the Tea Party:
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 03:17 AM
Oct 2016

The true Tea Party voters were pillaged by republican pseudo-Tea Party PACs. "Send us $100 so we can support this Tea Party-candidate!" And then they maybe donated 1% to the Tea Party-candidate.

The Tea Party voters were bled dry and played for fools by the GOP establishment.

The same will happen to Trump's "America Party"-supporters: Trump will whip them up, suck out all their money... and then he will abandon them and retreat from the political stage to go back to entertainment.

Trump doesn't want political power, because political power is responsibility. He just wants the Presidency as a trophy, just like Romney.
He will "make America great again", someone else will do the job.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
11. Yeap, tRump is a leech ... but hopefully he'll suck enough of em dry to screw the GOP by 2018...
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 03:26 AM
Oct 2016

... and give us a stronger majority.

2020 will be another bad year for the GOP after that

JI7

(89,271 posts)
12. hasn't this already happned but the american party is the "tea party" and the result has led to
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 03:30 AM
Oct 2016

Trump ?

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
22. Close but not quite
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 06:27 AM
Oct 2016

The Tea Party never established an actual party, and for good reason: if they would have run a Tea Party candidate against a GOP and a Democratic Party candidate, the two right-wing candidates would have split the conservative vote and put the Democrat in office. They accomplished their goals far more effectively by hijacking the GOP.

The Trump Party, or American Party or whatever you want to call it, would be an alt-right third party. It might be entertaining to watch; however, one election that drops 380 to 400 Democrats into the House and enables a Democratic sweep of the Senate races would be the straw that causes Priebus to break Trump's back.

Behind the Aegis

(53,988 posts)
13. The first reference is one that harkens to anti-Semitism.
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 04:16 AM
Oct 2016

He has a terrific piece called the "History of the Jews" which was on the BBC. The "stab in the back" was very popular with the Nazis blaming Jews for WWI. There are scores of propaganda posters with that 'theme'.

Divine Discontent

(21,056 posts)
15. she's choppin! uh! (I have to say that every time I see your username)
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 04:38 AM
Oct 2016

anyhow, my buddy was saying Dumdum will start TNC (Trump "News" Channel) or something to do with media after next year. My concern is these rabid crazies and their gunzzzzzz! Most all of us are for responsible gun ownership, but the most strict gun control laws possible and keeping them from the mentally ill, and the criminals. The gunz folks don't get that.

 

Retired George

(332 posts)
17. "I TOTALLY WON THE ELECTION, OKAY?"
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 04:46 AM
Oct 2016

"A 12 percent deficit in the popular vote and 406-132 in the Electrical College is easily faked!"

rpannier

(24,339 posts)
18. I think his May 17 is wrong
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 04:54 AM
Oct 2016

I don't think she'll keep Garland
He's 62 or 63
I think she'll look for someone younger

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
30. He will be confirmed
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:33 AM
Oct 2016

Before she is sworn in as they will be concerned about her nominating a more liberal justice.

rpannier

(24,339 posts)
31. That could happen
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:40 AM
Oct 2016

But the prediction was for May 17th confirmation hearings
If he hasn't been confirmed by the time she's sworn in, I don't think she'll pursue his appointment

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
19. I think the Republicans will use the same strategy they used under Bill Clinton and Obama....
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 05:15 AM
Oct 2016

Refuse to accept Hillary as legit and try to grind everything to a halt.

I say the Senate should FORCE Republicans to actually filibuster and ENOUGH of the "Unanimous Consent" crap where all it takes is ONE anonymous senator to block a floor vote.

No more childish tantrums.

If the Republicans hold onto the House due to gerrymandering expect Impeachment Hearings to start on day one and drag on for years.

rpannier

(24,339 posts)
33. I find the unanimous consent crap silly and counterproductive
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:44 AM
Oct 2016

Sometimes what they refuse unanimous consent for is mind boggling
I'm still trying to find out why Harry Reid is blocking a bill that would outlaw animal crush videos
27 Democrats are co-sponsors as are about a dozen Republicans
He refuses
That former Senator and former Major League pitcher from Kentucky did that a lot.
Even when the other 99 were in favor. It was like out of spite or something

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
20. Just like Obama's election win caused some people to claim that racism is over,
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 05:35 AM
Oct 2016

and made the racists claim that blacks are more uppity than ever,

Hillary's election win will cause some people to say that sexism is a thing of the past, and make the misogynists claim that women have become more uppity than ever.

That is my prediction.

ananda

(28,876 posts)
23. The one thing I know about DT and his minions ..
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 06:56 AM
Oct 2016

.. Is that they will never txt accept loss graciously.

(this said in the long tradition of classic litotes).

pamdb

(1,332 posts)
28. American party
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:24 AM
Oct 2016

I don't know, I don't see the Great Pumpkin having enough interest in politics to keep it going after, hopefully, his resounding defeat. I could see him start a tv channel with Jabba the Hut but I just don't see him doing the real work involved in getting a third party up and running.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
32. sounds about right
Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:41 AM
Oct 2016

except in civil society, not mentioned in this historians 'big picture', upticks in gender, race andd preference of life partner issue WIL BE a violent fact. How much of an uptick? Martial law is in my scenario. The internet with it's almost instantaneous connection capability, with every corner of this country, will galvanize these people.I hope I'm wrong.

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