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Yes, Trump will lose. He and his supporters will claim that it was a "rigged" elections and with all the guns in the hands of these lunatics - we may see serious riots and "home grown" terrorism.
I hope that I will be wrong. But I hope that all the governors are ready with the national guards. And that the national guards will obey orders.
(Funny, I happened to see Trump after his win in N. Carolina, I think. By then he secured the nomination. And he was there even though he did not have to campaign. But he said that he was saying that the elections were rigged but "now" that he won, he no longer thought so.)
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)Warpy
(111,317 posts)but enough of his supporters have been keeping up with polls and the like to realize the game wasn't rigged, he's just the crybaby sore loser we always said he was.
There are some out there who are truly unhinged and they're going to make the corner bar an unpleasant place to hang out. A few will start shooting friends, family and neighbors. Very few will try to organize anything worse than drunken "militias" like we have now. Most of them will be sodden and loudly bitter.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)being a sociopath and narcissist. He feeds on hatred and discontent, and lusts for the limelight. I think in the inner dark areas of his mind in Trump-world, he envisions himself as a dictator of the US and would like to pal with Putin. I see these as dangerous times.
Warpy
(111,317 posts)but he's also showing clear signs of mental deterioration. They're going to have to find some other charismatic sociopath to follow slavishly. I don't think Trumpy's going to be up to the job for much longer.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Glamrock
(11,802 posts)He's got a pending rape case for one.....
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)former9thward
(32,064 posts)And everyone in the media knows it.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Jason1961
(413 posts)The concern you're writing about is one of the main reasons we need to implement strict gun control measures.
We just need to the courage to take on the NRA and defeat the gun nuts once and for all. I've had pushback from fellow Democrats on the issue, as though they're scared of even thinking it. We need to ban all full and semi automatic firearms and keep pushing until we finally get rid of these instruments of death.
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)Once you start talking about banning semi-automatic rifles you lose me and pro-RKBA groups get some donations.
Jason1961
(413 posts)If your rifle is more important than the safety of our Nation and even our nominee then maybe you should find a new home.
It is ludicrous to expect our Party and our Nation to be accept being held hostage by gun owners.
I'm not ashamed to say if I could I'd take the 2A out of the Constitution and I don't care if you donate to the NRA.
Why are guns so important to you people? If Hillary came out and said she's going to ban guns would you vote for Trump over one single issue?
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)If you don't understand why protecting a civil liberty is important, I won't bother explaining.
I could never vote for Trump, but an explicit desire to undo the 2nd Amendment would be a deal breaker for me.
The country will be fine. These fears of mass insurrection over a failed Trump candidacy are overblown.
Jason1961
(413 posts)I'm far more worried about Gun Nuts shooting people they think are trying to take their rights. Everyday we hear more stories about people being afraid to make their support for Hillary public because the standing threat of Gun Nuts to kill people that disagree with them, especially when they lose.
You can't explain why you "need" a gun, that's why you won't bother trying.
aikoaiko
(34,183 posts)You say this is happening every day so I'm sure it will be easy for you to provide seven examples from the last seven days.
The right for people like me to own keep and bear arms is defined by the necessity of maintaining the security of a free state.
question everything
(47,517 posts)is moving closer to defeat Republican Roy Blunt after assembling an AR-15 blindfolded.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/15/jason-kander-democratic-senate-candidate-assembles/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/13/1581739/-Morning-Digest-A-new-poll-shows-Missouri-s-Senate-race-the-closest-it-s-ever-been
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)instigate civil violence. He's a madman and he has followers of this ilk. We've seen this in other countries, there is no reason to believe it will not happen here. Trump, is a pathetic hateful man and thrives on hatred and violence.
2naSalit
(86,742 posts)sofa king
(10,857 posts)I would argue that we've already been through this, when W's gangsters stole the election, dove out of the way of terrorist attacks, lied to start a war, and stole a second election.
And what did they do with their unlimited power? They crashed the economy twice and fucked up the country so bad that after eight years they gave it back to the adults because they were losing money on their own policies and didn't know how to fix things. Why? Because George W. Bush is stupid, incompetent, lazy and rich. Fucking up America didn't interest him anymore after he realized that everyone hates him.
Donald Trump is already on the other side of that. He already has limitless wealth, or can pretend he does, and now he can buy an unlimited number of sycophants, women, and fake friends. He suckered the GOP into giving him the startup funds and organizational staff he needs to start a television network, which he can build, as usual, as an altar of sacrifice to himself. But this election is going to spell out exactly what was spelled out to W a the end of his disastrous tenure: everyone hates him, except for those who worship him.
Donald Trump has already "won." He'll be grouchy for a couple of weeks and when the coke hangover wears off, he'll go back to being a self-important grifter, bigger and more stupendous than ever.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Trump/Ailes. He's gotten all of this advertising for free, for the most part. This whole run has been a game to him IMO. He doesn't have the desire to put in the enormous work to be president, and he certainly does not have the knowledge, skills or qualities required.
question everything
(47,517 posts)and we do not believe in solving problems by armed unrest. Though we've had our share during the riots in Chicago in 1968.
Also, ever since Obama won in 2008 the number of guns purchase soared, especially by those who believe that their guns would be taken away. Also the number of states allowing public, or even concealed, carrying of guns soared; is there any state that forbids this these days?
We have seen many of these teabaggers coming to rallies with Obama publicly carrying their guns. I suppose many showed up at Trump rallies, too.
And... the "good old" social media that acts to spread misinformation and inflame resentments and hate.
I hope to be wrong. But I am scared.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)But if you want to feel a little better, look to those morons on the Pacific Coast who tried to start their little revolution last winter.
It didn't go anywhere and it didn't gain any momentum because conservatives are, by their very nature, far more frightened of the world and of the future than you will ever be.
They have to believe that they are a repressed majority before they will start another Civil War--and recall that in slaveholding states with even a vocal opposition (Delaware, Maryland, Kentucky), they were (rightly) afraid to secede.
This election is going to shitcan the myth that they are a majority in one hell of a hurry, and they'll go back to stockpiling ammunition at 400% of its actual value, and complaining about how Democrats are fucking everything up while their lives steadily improve from the Bush years.
complain jane
(4,302 posts)and that the heights of his megalomania would manifest God forbid he were given the chance to defile the White House with his being. I think he thinks he could do anything he wants as President and looks at it as his opportunity for totalitarianism. He's just that fucking stupid and emotionally stunted.
prarie deem
(115 posts)share your concerns. These people are angry and stupid and armed. It is a perfect storm. I saw a reporter today who said for the first time in her life she is afraid because she is a Jew. I don't want anyone to get hurt.
I know Hillary would unleash the wrath of God on them, but I hope it does not come to that.
Laffy Kat
(16,386 posts)And Obama and Congress will need to nip it in the bud.
BainsBane
(53,041 posts)I wish I could tell you not to be scared, but I feel uneasy myself.
Kablooie
(18,637 posts)That way he'll be able to keep all his worshippers surrounding him.
Which also will give him a measure of power over the Republican party.
He could allow or prevent his followers to vote for Republicans.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,027 posts)Meldread
(4,213 posts)If wacko's start shooting at the Fed's... well, we have a police force and a military for a reason. It makes it easier to win elections if your political opponents all engage in suicide by cop / soldier.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)The military? Not so much, BUT they're limited in what they can do within the borders of the US. But if you're looking for the cops to save you from Trump, you're looking in the wrong direction. If the shit REALLY hits the fan, it's going to be up to us, not the cops.
However, I'm not particularly concerned. I don't think that they're organized enough to carry out mass operations. And they WILL be opposed. Unlike Germany, Classic Reds and oppressed people of color won't let it happen here without a fight.
obnoxiousdrunk
(2,910 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)I am afraid that his angry mob will band together and elect candidates as sick as he is in the next elections.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Fall TV season is in full swing, and the majority will be destracted with watching their shows, football, etc to get their lazy self off the couch.
most of the biggest talkers couldn't attack a single flight of stairs, let alone the government.
It'll pass.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I figure every four years, a demographic will threaten violence, another demographic will voice concern about it, and other than the isolated incidents which happen every day regardless of an election taking place or not, nothing of any real note in that regard will happen after November 8.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)2 or 3 pt. Hillary lead? Not good enough. With a corrupt Governor and AG? I do not think that Hillary campaigning with Al Gore was solely about Climate Change. Remember what happened before because it can happen again. Get out and VOTE!
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)I'm on her Voter Protection Team and we'll have lawyers and observers in most of the districts where foul play is suspected. We've been receiving training and will be in place for most of the sites on early voting days and for sure on Election Day.
pwb
(11,287 posts)Not scared of terrorist, Muslims, Mexicans, Russia, refugees, and especially republican wimpy gun owners.