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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBernie Sanders is the most-liked politician in the United States.
>"The general election campaign between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump has gone pretty much as everyone expected: a months-long carnival of the absurd and the grotesque, culminating in Trumps self-destruction and Clintons methodical march to power.
Quietly, though, something less predictable has happened. Bernie Sanders has become by a considerable margin the most popular politician in the United States.
Earlier this month, an Economist/YouGov poll found that 59 percent of Americans have a favorable opinion of Sanders, while only 33 percent hold an unfavorable one.
Female Americans like Bernie (by a count of 60 percent to 39 percent). Male Americans like Bernie (58 to 36 percent). Black Americans like Bernie (67 to 21 percent). White Americans like Bernie (57 to 36 percent).
Dozens of other surveys yield similar results. Nearly everybody, it seems, likes Bernie but why? And what can his personal popularity tell us about the future of the social-democratic political revolution Sanders would like to ignite?
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BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Hillary is older than Obama. We are going backwards in generations. I expect she has the mental and physical capacity to do a good job, and might prove to be an outstanding President. But the fact is that both Sanders and Clinton are up there in years (75 and 68 respectively). Clearly there is little chance of Sanders running in 2020 or 2024. I think he understands that.
It seems to me the challenge is to build on the very clear difference that this election has presented us. I mean, Trump is a ridiculous person, but who else on that GOP stage was really that much better? And the more serious candidates (Kasich, Christie, Jeb) barely got any support from the GOP. We have a real opportunity at realignment, and if the Dem Party is smart, they will take notice that Hillary did well when moving to the progressive end.
The demographics are changing. We can be progressive and also win Florida, North Carolina, and soon Texas and Georgia. I believe that is where Sanders will make his greatest contribution. He is popular, and he has a big voice now. It was wise of both Bernie and Hillary to come together. Bernie can be the "outsider" that pushes Hillary in a very public way. We need that. And we need people like Elizabeth and Bernie to inspire the next generation of leaders.
INdemo
(6,994 posts)he did made a great contribution to the progressive movement,attracting and adding millions of young voters to that cause,
I think Hillary Clinton has become a better candidate because of his challenge.
However the primary phase is over and we must now concentrate our efforts on electing Hillary Clinton President.
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)This is what the brain-dead Beltway Democrats have never understood -- or they understood but simply owed too many favors to the elites.
The American population is VERY progressive if you can ask them about the individual issues. On just about every issue from education, economic fairness, reproductive rights, racial equity, LGBT, climate, health care, ... the public is OVERWHELMINGLY in favor of the progressive positions.
And with the 0.1% continuing their assault on America, this will only increase.
I hope Hillary governs as progressively as she has been campaigning. It seems to me Obama was the populist's populist when campaigning (both times), but quickly retreated to the center after each election. I can't blame him. The public just doesn't count for much except at election time. Between elections, the moneyed elite have their say.
And this is where I think there is a real opportunity. Following an election when the candidate (Hillary) was not afraid to be a bit progressive, we need a movement that keeps those progressive positions front and center. There have been various versions of this (e.g. Occupy & Black Lives Matter). We just need more of that on a sustained basis.
tblue37
(65,360 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)That they were "peanuts," and didn't really count. Clinton was always to the left of Sanders when it came to many of those issues. The ONE issue we were told mattered was TPP. And the Trump campaign demonstrates that economic populism can just as easily be cooped by the right as the left. That so many Bernie or Busters prefer Trump shows how little so-called progressive policies mattered to them. In fact, they came to define progressivism in ways that bear too much in common with white nationalism and habitually used misogynistic slurs and racial tropes to advance their arguments. JPR demonstrates that in stark terms, and their arguments are indistinguishable from the most mendacious Trump surrogates.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)SamKnause
(13,107 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Bernie
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Senators Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders!
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)I really don't. But it's obvious that if the campaign was on "likeability", we'd be staring at a Sanders landslide in the general election next month. Clearly, being liked is not the be all and end all of Presidential politics.
Bernie however does set a new model for politics. Politicians who remember that they are public servants first and foremost and that they work for us. If not the President, then next time Bernie runs for Senate he needs to run as a Dem, and become Senate Majority/Minority leader. If he's majority leader he could greatly influence how the Senate runs. If not majority but minority he's influencing the Democratic Party platform. Just sending him back to Vermont and sticking under his (I) would be a waste of such a talent. He could have gone nuclear, went under the Green ticket and let in Trump. But he didn't. He played by the rules. President Clinton needs to use his talents to push the progressive agenda in 2017 and beyond. She doesn't have to be liked; she can be the bully and an effective one. This can be an effective "good cop, bad cop" partnership.
thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)re: "it's obvious that if the campaign was on 'likeability', we'd be staring at a Sanders landslide in the general election next month. Clearly, being liked is not the be all and end all of Presidential politics."
I'd suggest that maybe the reason Hillary is our nominee is NOT because likability is not among the most important criteria, but rather, because we have a primary process that (naturally) caters to the base of the party, and among the Dem base, Hillary's likability is quite high, I don't think Sanders really had that advantage here.
I suspect that Bernie would be doing even better against Donald than Hillary is (i.e. without Hillary's negatives among the general voting population), but luckily, Hillary is doing quite well enough!
liberalla
(9,248 posts)i like the 'good cop, bad cop' analogy
i still love bernie! i hope he keeps his health and is active for many years to come.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)would have a bigger impact in this election if our opponent were not Trump.
This time, it's going to show up AFTER the election, when the new president with low "likeability" ratings attempts to get things done.
LuvNewcastle
(16,846 posts)I hope we can make him Chairman of the Budget Committee next year.
panader0
(25,816 posts)nolabear
(41,963 posts)Any dislike I have of Bernie isn't due to him; it's due to his adherents not being willing to give our candidate the space and time she needs and deserves to win this election and to have a chance at leading.
At a time when we need focus and appreciation for our candidate and our efforts this just undermines us all.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)The time for "remember when" and "show-some-love" and "let's not forget" is over. While it may not technically qualify for deletion under the current alert rules... things like this are, in my opinion, poorly timed and suggest to me a certain level of selfishness, lingering resentment, and skewed priorities. I'd make the friendly suggestion that posts like this one are probably more suitable for the Bernie Sanders "group".
LWolf
(46,179 posts)who are posting "this kind of thing" are also working to elect Clinton. I'm sorry that's not good enough for you.
George II
(67,782 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)at Old Towne Media.
Cha
(297,240 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)We are on the precipice of electing the first woman president because of a coalition of women and people of color. Rather than acknowledging that achievement and the demographic shift that is making Clinton's election possible, they demean all of that--and us. Clinton slayed Trump, and they make the baseless assumption that a candidate who couldn't attract the voters that propelled Clinton to victory in the primary and to a commanding lead in the GE polls would somehow magically be winning by a wider margin. The claim has no more validity than Trump's ongoing assertions that he won all three debates because of the results of online polls.
demmiblue
(36,854 posts)Now let's kick Trump's arse so Bernie can push for his vision under a Democratic administration (and, hopefully, a Democratic Senate. Shite, throw in the House, too )!
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)If so, fucking genius!
Initech
(100,076 posts)But... can't dwell on the past. Got to GOTV for Hillary!
George II
(67,782 posts)Initech
(100,076 posts)Most of my republican friends who are the most vocal are voting for Gary Johnson, and most of my democrat friends want to vote for Hillary but are afraid to admit it because of the bullshit conspiracy theories floating about. No state should be voting for Orange Tiny Hands, and I want to think it's going to be a clean sweep for Hillary but I think the results are going to be a lot closer than we think.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Well, no, you didn't "dwell" on the past, but why even flirt with the past? Why bother with expressing those regrets? What purpose does it serve?
It's probably best not to pick at scabs and let old wounds heal on their own. Otherwise you'll leave a scar. Trust me. I'm a nurse.
Cha
(297,240 posts)President so we get a twofer with our Nominee, Hillary Rodham Clinton!
First Woman Madam POTUS!
Cha
(297,240 posts)an excellent President.
Initech
(100,076 posts)austinlw
(54 posts)this election cycle was to teach Ameicans what the words "liberal" and "socialist" actually mean. Those terms are not actually as scary as folks had been led to believe. Making Americans seriously think about these concepts and how they might apply in our country is significant progress!
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,957 posts)His popularity is a threat to some, which I find pathetic and sad.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Politicians tend to be as popular as anal cysts.
jonestonesusa
(880 posts)He has my respect too. I hope the ideas he championed remain a prominent part of the Democratic political agenda.
Initech
(100,076 posts)After Hillary wins the presidency and the dems take back the House and Senate.
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)He will, however, remain a regular fixture on news entertainment programming.
George II
(67,782 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)As anyone with any familiarity with politics knows, people not running for office always have higher favorability ratings.
Raine
(30,540 posts)murielm99
(30,741 posts)I have spent several days at the community college in our area. We registered voters and provided information for Hillary and downticket Democrats. The response has been good.
Posts like this undermine the work of Democrats who are trying to unite our party, GOTV, and include millennials.
The primary is over and Bernie is running for Senate as an independent. He is no Democrat. You are not helping.