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OxQQme

(2,550 posts)
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 09:22 AM Oct 2016

Bernie Sanders is the most-liked politician in the United States.

>"The general election campaign between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump has gone pretty much as everyone expected: a months-long carnival of the absurd and the grotesque, culminating in Trump’s self-destruction and Clinton’s methodical march to power.

Quietly, though, something less predictable has happened. Bernie Sanders has become — by a considerable margin — the most popular politician in the United States.

Earlier this month, an Economist/YouGov poll found that 59 percent of Americans have a favorable opinion of Sanders, while only 33 percent hold an unfavorable one.

Female Americans like Bernie (by a count of 60 percent to 39 percent). Male Americans like Bernie (58 to 36 percent). Black Americans like Bernie (67 to 21 percent). White Americans like Bernie (57 to 36 percent).

Dozens of other surveys yield similar results. Nearly everybody, it seems, likes Bernie — but why? And what can his personal popularity tell us about the future of the social-democratic “political revolution” Sanders would like to ignite?


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Bernie Sanders is the most-liked politician in the United States. (Original Post) OxQQme Oct 2016 OP
The question becomes how does this move forward to the next generation? BlueStreak Oct 2016 #1
I think this is a nice compliment for Bernie Sanders and INdemo Oct 2016 #14
Being more progressive has IMPROVED Hillary's electoral chances BlueStreak Oct 2016 #24
+1. nt tblue37 Oct 2016 #25
We spent the last few years being told many of those issues were not true progressivism BainsBane Oct 2016 #44
Not a surprise. :) nt retrowire Oct 2016 #2
I love Bernie. SamKnause Oct 2016 #3
+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Oct 2016 #5
It's a tie...between, Stellar Oct 2016 #4
I don't want to rehash the primaries. mwooldri Oct 2016 #6
I think likeability is more important than you say. thesquanderer Oct 2016 #13
yes, i hope she doesn't back off the progressive agenda. he's a valuable ally in the move forward. liberalla Oct 2016 #20
The likeability factor LWolf Oct 2016 #27
Mine too. LuvNewcastle Oct 2016 #7
A class act indeed. panader0 Oct 2016 #8
I like Bernie less every time this kind of thing is posted. This is Hillary's time. nolabear Oct 2016 #9
Yep. stopbush Oct 2016 #10
Thank you! NurseJackie Oct 2016 #23
The same Sanders supporters LWolf Oct 2016 #28
It never stops, does it? George II Oct 2016 #30
Maybe it's time to have another look BainsBane Oct 2016 #43
Very well said, nolabear! Cha Oct 2016 #35
The undermining is deliberate. BainsBane Oct 2016 #42
Lurve me some Bernie! demmiblue Oct 2016 #12
Is he trolling the alt right there? bluedigger Oct 2016 #17
I really wish he had been the nominee. He would be crushing Trump right now. Initech Oct 2016 #15
Hillary Clinton ISN'T crushing Trump right now? George II Oct 2016 #31
I know a lot of people who are voting third party. Initech Oct 2016 #32
Actually, Hillary *is* "crushing Trump right now". What more do you want? NurseJackie Oct 2016 #33
Yes, Hillary IS Crushing trump and she's going to make an Excellent Cha Oct 2016 #36
I am ecstatic that Hillary won the Nomination.. she's going to make Cha Oct 2016 #34
Especially when you consider the alternative candidate! Initech Oct 2016 #37
To me one of the big things he accomplished austinlw Oct 2016 #16
Good for Bernie Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2016 #18
I like him too. Behind the Aegis Oct 2016 #19
K&R! nt riderinthestorm Oct 2016 #21
I guess it depends on who you ask ... and what the question is. NurseJackie Oct 2016 #22
To be fair awoke_in_2003 Oct 2016 #26
Bernie has earned a great deal of respect from many, many people. jonestonesusa Oct 2016 #29
I hope that he becomes Senate Majority Leader. Initech Oct 2016 #38
He won't be. BainsBane Oct 2016 #40
The Democrats will have the majority. George II Oct 2016 #45
Clinton's ratings were in the 60s (maybe 70s) when she was Secretary of State BainsBane Oct 2016 #39
I love Bernie! nt Raine Oct 2016 #41
Over the last two weeks, murielm99 Oct 2016 #46
 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
1. The question becomes how does this move forward to the next generation?
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 09:45 AM
Oct 2016

Hillary is older than Obama. We are going backwards in generations. I expect she has the mental and physical capacity to do a good job, and might prove to be an outstanding President. But the fact is that both Sanders and Clinton are up there in years (75 and 68 respectively). Clearly there is little chance of Sanders running in 2020 or 2024. I think he understands that.

It seems to me the challenge is to build on the very clear difference that this election has presented us. I mean, Trump is a ridiculous person, but who else on that GOP stage was really that much better? And the more serious candidates (Kasich, Christie, Jeb) barely got any support from the GOP. We have a real opportunity at realignment, and if the Dem Party is smart, they will take notice that Hillary did well when moving to the progressive end.

The demographics are changing. We can be progressive and also win Florida, North Carolina, and soon Texas and Georgia. I believe that is where Sanders will make his greatest contribution. He is popular, and he has a big voice now. It was wise of both Bernie and Hillary to come together. Bernie can be the "outsider" that pushes Hillary in a very public way. We need that. And we need people like Elizabeth and Bernie to inspire the next generation of leaders.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
14. I think this is a nice compliment for Bernie Sanders and
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:36 AM
Oct 2016

he did made a great contribution to the progressive movement,attracting and adding millions of young voters to that cause,
I think Hillary Clinton has become a better candidate because of his challenge.
However the primary phase is over and we must now concentrate our efforts on electing Hillary Clinton President.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
24. Being more progressive has IMPROVED Hillary's electoral chances
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 07:40 PM
Oct 2016

This is what the brain-dead Beltway Democrats have never understood -- or they understood but simply owed too many favors to the elites.

The American population is VERY progressive if you can ask them about the individual issues. On just about every issue from education, economic fairness, reproductive rights, racial equity, LGBT, climate, health care, ... the public is OVERWHELMINGLY in favor of the progressive positions.

And with the 0.1% continuing their assault on America, this will only increase.

I hope Hillary governs as progressively as she has been campaigning. It seems to me Obama was the populist's populist when campaigning (both times), but quickly retreated to the center after each election. I can't blame him. The public just doesn't count for much except at election time. Between elections, the moneyed elite have their say.

And this is where I think there is a real opportunity. Following an election when the candidate (Hillary) was not afraid to be a bit progressive, we need a movement that keeps those progressive positions front and center. There have been various versions of this (e.g. Occupy & Black Lives Matter). We just need more of that on a sustained basis.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
44. We spent the last few years being told many of those issues were not true progressivism
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 04:12 AM
Oct 2016

That they were "peanuts," and didn't really count. Clinton was always to the left of Sanders when it came to many of those issues. The ONE issue we were told mattered was TPP. And the Trump campaign demonstrates that economic populism can just as easily be cooped by the right as the left. That so many Bernie or Busters prefer Trump shows how little so-called progressive policies mattered to them. In fact, they came to define progressivism in ways that bear too much in common with white nationalism and habitually used misogynistic slurs and racial tropes to advance their arguments. JPR demonstrates that in stark terms, and their arguments are indistinguishable from the most mendacious Trump surrogates.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
6. I don't want to rehash the primaries.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:09 AM
Oct 2016

I really don't. But it's obvious that if the campaign was on "likeability", we'd be staring at a Sanders landslide in the general election next month. Clearly, being liked is not the be all and end all of Presidential politics.

Bernie however does set a new model for politics. Politicians who remember that they are public servants first and foremost and that they work for us. If not the President, then next time Bernie runs for Senate he needs to run as a Dem, and become Senate Majority/Minority leader. If he's majority leader he could greatly influence how the Senate runs. If not majority but minority he's influencing the Democratic Party platform. Just sending him back to Vermont and sticking under his (I) would be a waste of such a talent. He could have gone nuclear, went under the Green ticket and let in Trump. But he didn't. He played by the rules. President Clinton needs to use his talents to push the progressive agenda in 2017 and beyond. She doesn't have to be liked; she can be the bully and an effective one. This can be an effective "good cop, bad cop" partnership.

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
13. I think likeability is more important than you say.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:32 AM
Oct 2016

re: "it's obvious that if the campaign was on 'likeability', we'd be staring at a Sanders landslide in the general election next month. Clearly, being liked is not the be all and end all of Presidential politics."

I'd suggest that maybe the reason Hillary is our nominee is NOT because likability is not among the most important criteria, but rather, because we have a primary process that (naturally) caters to the base of the party, and among the Dem base, Hillary's likability is quite high, I don't think Sanders really had that advantage here.

I suspect that Bernie would be doing even better against Donald than Hillary is (i.e. without Hillary's negatives among the general voting population), but luckily, Hillary is doing quite well enough!

liberalla

(9,248 posts)
20. yes, i hope she doesn't back off the progressive agenda. he's a valuable ally in the move forward.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 01:33 PM
Oct 2016

i like the 'good cop, bad cop' analogy

i still love bernie! i hope he keeps his health and is active for many years to come.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
27. The likeability factor
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 07:56 PM
Oct 2016

would have a bigger impact in this election if our opponent were not Trump.

This time, it's going to show up AFTER the election, when the new president with low "likeability" ratings attempts to get things done.

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
9. I like Bernie less every time this kind of thing is posted. This is Hillary's time.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:15 AM
Oct 2016

Any dislike I have of Bernie isn't due to him; it's due to his adherents not being willing to give our candidate the space and time she needs and deserves to win this election and to have a chance at leading.

At a time when we need focus and appreciation for our candidate and our efforts this just undermines us all.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
23. Thank you!
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 02:39 PM
Oct 2016

The time for "remember when" and "show-some-love" and "let's not forget" is over. While it may not technically qualify for deletion under the current alert rules... things like this are, in my opinion, poorly timed and suggest to me a certain level of selfishness, lingering resentment, and skewed priorities. I'd make the friendly suggestion that posts like this one are probably more suitable for the Bernie Sanders "group".

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
28. The same Sanders supporters
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 07:58 PM
Oct 2016

who are posting "this kind of thing" are also working to elect Clinton. I'm sorry that's not good enough for you.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
42. The undermining is deliberate.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 03:54 AM
Oct 2016

We are on the precipice of electing the first woman president because of a coalition of women and people of color. Rather than acknowledging that achievement and the demographic shift that is making Clinton's election possible, they demean all of that--and us. Clinton slayed Trump, and they make the baseless assumption that a candidate who couldn't attract the voters that propelled Clinton to victory in the primary and to a commanding lead in the GE polls would somehow magically be winning by a wider margin. The claim has no more validity than Trump's ongoing assertions that he won all three debates because of the results of online polls.


demmiblue

(36,854 posts)
12. Lurve me some Bernie!
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:32 AM
Oct 2016



Now let's kick Trump's arse so Bernie can push for his vision under a Democratic administration (and, hopefully, a Democratic Senate. Shite, throw in the House, too )!


Initech

(100,076 posts)
15. I really wish he had been the nominee. He would be crushing Trump right now.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:51 AM
Oct 2016

But... can't dwell on the past. Got to GOTV for Hillary!

Initech

(100,076 posts)
32. I know a lot of people who are voting third party.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:41 PM
Oct 2016

Most of my republican friends who are the most vocal are voting for Gary Johnson, and most of my democrat friends want to vote for Hillary but are afraid to admit it because of the bullshit conspiracy theories floating about. No state should be voting for Orange Tiny Hands, and I want to think it's going to be a clean sweep for Hillary but I think the results are going to be a lot closer than we think.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
33. Actually, Hillary *is* "crushing Trump right now". What more do you want?
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 09:18 PM
Oct 2016

Well, no, you didn't "dwell" on the past, but why even flirt with the past? Why bother with expressing those regrets? What purpose does it serve?

It's probably best not to pick at scabs and let old wounds heal on their own. Otherwise you'll leave a scar. Trust me. I'm a nurse.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
36. Yes, Hillary IS Crushing trump and she's going to make an Excellent
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 10:42 PM
Oct 2016

President so we get a twofer with our Nominee, Hillary Rodham Clinton!

First Woman Madam POTUS!

austinlw

(54 posts)
16. To me one of the big things he accomplished
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:55 AM
Oct 2016

this election cycle was to teach Ameicans what the words "liberal" and "socialist" actually mean. Those terms are not actually as scary as folks had been led to believe. Making Americans seriously think about these concepts and how they might apply in our country is significant progress!

jonestonesusa

(880 posts)
29. Bernie has earned a great deal of respect from many, many people.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:00 PM
Oct 2016

He has my respect too. I hope the ideas he championed remain a prominent part of the Democratic political agenda.

Initech

(100,076 posts)
38. I hope that he becomes Senate Majority Leader.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 10:55 PM
Oct 2016

After Hillary wins the presidency and the dems take back the House and Senate.

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
39. Clinton's ratings were in the 60s (maybe 70s) when she was Secretary of State
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 03:25 AM
Oct 2016

As anyone with any familiarity with politics knows, people not running for office always have higher favorability ratings.

murielm99

(30,741 posts)
46. Over the last two weeks,
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 02:05 PM
Oct 2016

I have spent several days at the community college in our area. We registered voters and provided information for Hillary and downticket Democrats. The response has been good.

Posts like this undermine the work of Democrats who are trying to unite our party, GOTV, and include millennials.

The primary is over and Bernie is running for Senate as an independent. He is no Democrat. You are not helping.

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