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Julian Assange? (Original Post) kentuck Oct 2016 OP
Depends on who got their email dumped. Wilms Oct 2016 #1
Neither leftynyc Oct 2016 #2
Here, I thought he was a guy who helped expose war crimes, Wilms Oct 2016 #3
STEALING information leftynyc Oct 2016 #8
War crimes are a "fucking" crime, last I checked. Wilms Oct 2016 #12
Don't put words in my mouth leftynyc Oct 2016 #15
" As if being an alleged rapist wasn't enough to prove that."??? Wilms Oct 2016 #17
Stealing email and releasing it to the publis is the same as stealing mail from your mailbox . . . brush Oct 2016 #54
Whoever did the hacking wasn't looking for yoga schedules. Wilms Oct 2016 #60
Huh? Did you watch the debate? Clinton stated more than once that several of our . . . brush Oct 2016 #66
I am well aware of what the "intelligence agencies have concluded". Wilms Oct 2016 #68
So you're on the same side of that issue as Trump. brush Oct 2016 #69
That's a pretty wide brush you are painting with. Wilms Oct 2016 #70
Don't get your position at all. brush Oct 2016 #72
Truth. Wilms Oct 2016 #73
It's pretty obvious that the election has been over since the audio tape on the bus came out brush Oct 2016 #74
When did Podes leftynyc Oct 2016 #56
Feel better, L. Wilms Oct 2016 #61
LOL - it's YOU that leftynyc Oct 2016 #62
No. Wilms Oct 2016 #65
He that will steal a penny will steal a dollar? kentuck Oct 2016 #21
Looks like you have some work leftynyc Oct 2016 #16
You think I should just fall in line like a good whatever?? Wilms Oct 2016 #18
More putting words in my mouth leftynyc Oct 2016 #57
Then why have you replied? Wilms Oct 2016 #63
LOL - not on this thread leftynyc Oct 2016 #83
Assnage isn't a "whistleblower" Adrahil Oct 2016 #20
He lost all credibility with me... kentuck Oct 2016 #22
I got that that is your opinion of him and his actions. Wilms Oct 2016 #43
Post removed Post removed Oct 2016 #71
He deliberately edited the so-called 'Collateral Murder' video. There was no war crime. randome Oct 2016 #35
My understanding wikileaks received an edited video... Wilms Oct 2016 #41
Well, there's this but other than this, why would we believe Wikileaks? randome Oct 2016 #47
So what did we miss? Wilms Oct 2016 #48
It was a war zone. The combatants violated curfew. The gunners asked for permission to fire. randome Oct 2016 #58
Post removed Post removed Oct 2016 #67
+1,000 malaise Oct 2016 #42
I gotta tell ya, Malaise. Wilms Oct 2016 #44
Yep malaise Oct 2016 #46
I generally find unrepentant rapists to be foes. mythology Oct 2016 #4
Narcissistic sexual Predator protecting another narcissistic sexual predator Pachamama Oct 2016 #5
bingo BainsBane Oct 2016 #7
Well said! kentuck Oct 2016 #24
YUP madokie Oct 2016 #39
Spot. On. eom BlueCaliDem Oct 2016 #55
To a tee. nt JTFrog Oct 2016 #79
Julian Assange has dragged himself and the wikileaks name down to pond scum. Old Vet Oct 2016 #6
I think he has destroyed the reputation of Wikileaks. kentuck Oct 2016 #9
That's not very nice... malchickiwick Oct 2016 #10
If someone steals hub caps, but gives them to you... world wide wally Oct 2016 #11
No, a real friend would... Wounded Bear Oct 2016 #14
Foreign agitator attempting to sway US election. FOE no matter what one's politics. eom IllinoisBirdWatcher Oct 2016 #13
Foe. icymist Oct 2016 #23
Nailed it! Behind the Aegis Oct 2016 #49
You know you're just poking the hornet's nest with a stick Hekate Oct 2016 #25
Sometimes we need to look inside just a tiny bit. kentuck Oct 2016 #26
I think the clue is in the first 3 letters of his surname Hekate Oct 2016 #28
This little scheme sort of validates that, doesn't it? kentuck Oct 2016 #31
selfish, self-centered asshole who uses people, and then let's them hang out to dry still_one Oct 2016 #27
Foe. I've felt this way since the beginning. grossproffit Oct 2016 #29
Never trust a turn-coat. TonyPDX Oct 2016 #30
He's a disgusting pig. ismnotwasm Oct 2016 #32
How about foe of everyone? duncang Oct 2016 #33
He's a cornered animal. tinrobot Oct 2016 #34
I have a deep,deep, feeling in the next 3-4 months Mr Assange will be in the headlines again...... Old Vet Oct 2016 #36
Foe. I don't like men who take whatever they want, and damn the consequences. This extends to... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2016 #37
Self promoting garden variety internet asshole. hunter Oct 2016 #38
I used to be a fan. He's a Russian agent or sympathizer. Oneironaut Oct 2016 #40
Foe mcar Oct 2016 #45
He wants Trump to be president LeftInTX Oct 2016 #50
He supports Trump. He is no friend to the American People. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2016 #51
Certainly not a friend radical noodle Oct 2016 #52
He's an idiot SHRED Oct 2016 #53
Egocentric rapist. Odin2005 Oct 2016 #59
Julian Assange is an accused rapist trying to avoid justice, while helping out a sexual predator who 4lbs Oct 2016 #64
Karl Rove said today... CanSocDem Oct 2016 #75
There Are Few Humans I Loathe More Than Rove ProfessorGAC Oct 2016 #81
Trump loves Assange BainsBane Oct 2016 #82
Using your logic leftynyc Oct 2016 #84
Neither. He is an opportunist that has delusions of grandeur. Hmm, just like Trump and Putin. tonyt53 Oct 2016 #76
All publicity is good publicity? flamingdem Oct 2016 #77
Friend turned foe. Littlered9560 Oct 2016 #78
I usually consider anti-semite rapists as foes. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2016 #80
A stopped clock. haele Oct 2016 #85
You're asking this late in the game? Blue_Tires Oct 2016 #86
Maybe sometimes the game changes? kentuck Oct 2016 #87
 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
3. Here, I thought he was a guy who helped expose war crimes,
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 04:24 PM
Oct 2016

and our civil liberties being abused.

But I see you've put a lot of thought into this.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
8. STEALING information
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 04:33 PM
Oct 2016

is a fucking crime. When he steals yours, I hope you don't expect any sympathy whatsoever. Does that clear things up for you?

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
12. War crimes are a "fucking" crime, last I checked.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 04:38 PM
Oct 2016

So is spying on Americans. So the NSA can steal my info, and that seems to be OK with you, but if wikileaks exposes that they run afoul of LeftyNYC.

OK. I got that.

I'm an American, first. I don't support whistleblowers depending on which party is being exposed for being up to no good. Can you handle that??

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
15. Don't put words in my mouth
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 04:48 PM
Oct 2016

Just because the NSA fucks up doesn't make it okay for some schmuck with internet access to STEAL and decide what information should be public. Nobody voted for Jullian Assange. I'm able to carry those two thoughts in my head at the same time. That you can't isn't my problem in the slightest. Stealing a private citizen's email - like he did with Podesta - proved what a slug he is. As if being an alleged rapist wasn't enough to prove that.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
17. " As if being an alleged rapist wasn't enough to prove that."???
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 04:53 PM
Oct 2016

Did you see the pedophile charge that got floated on Kos? Did you see the follow-up report??

Probably not. We don't post stuff that might be considered hurtful to those who run the Democratic Party.

Nobody voted for Podesta, BTW.

brush

(53,778 posts)
54. Stealing email and releasing it to the publis is the same as stealing mail from your mailbox . . .
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 02:00 AM
Oct 2016

and releasing it to the public.

And if he's so honorable to you, why doesn't he release Trump's email too?

He's obviously trying to steer the election to Trump by only releasing Clinton's emails.

That's not honorable. He should've stuck with war crimes instead of trying to even a grudge against Hillary. And on top of that he's working with the Russians, helping Trump's friend Putin to influence our election outcome.

He's turned out to be a huge disappointment.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
60. Whoever did the hacking wasn't looking for yoga schedules.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 08:48 AM
Oct 2016

Does wikileaks have Trumps email? But I' wouldn't be interested in that because I'm not interested in HIS yoga schedule.

Now if they had stuff from the RNC showing that they were favoring, say, one candidate or the other...that would be in the public interest.

I don't assume that "He's obviously trying to steer the election to Trump by only releasing Clinton's emails."

That, to me, is a really big stretch. So is the idea that the Russian's are helping him. The NSA saying so means squat to me...and it would have meant squat to you, I suspect, if there was a repub in office.

brush

(53,778 posts)
66. Huh? Did you watch the debate? Clinton stated more than once that several of our . . .
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 09:01 AM
Oct 2016

intelligence agencies have concluded that the Russians are behind Wikileaks' email dump of Clinton campaign emails.

Did you forget that so soon?

brush

(53,778 posts)
72. Don't get your position at all.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 09:59 AM
Oct 2016

One would assume posters on this site at this stage of the election would be for the Dem candidate but that's not coming through.

What is your position?

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
73. Truth.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:03 AM
Oct 2016

A formerly great tradition on DU.

The election is over. Where have you been? TRUMP is running. Did you see the Brietbart poll?

brush

(53,778 posts)
74. It's pretty obvious that the election has been over since the audio tape on the bus came out
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:10 AM
Oct 2016

What's not obvious is what you're trying to say.

"Where have you been? TRUMP is running. Did you see the Brietbart poll?"


What does that mean. Be clear.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
56. When did Podes
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 05:11 AM
Oct 2016

STEAL somebody's email and decide on his own what gets released? Let Assange - that fucking coward - face the rape charges and clear himself. No - he'd rather hide out and snipe from the sidelines about OUR elections. Fuck him. He's scum.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
62. LOL - it's YOU that
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 08:52 AM
Oct 2016

seems to be completely out of sorts about not everyone agreeing with your absurd position that assange is some kind of hero. The stamping of your feet is quite amusing. Are you going to hold your breath next?

kentuck

(111,097 posts)
21. He that will steal a penny will steal a dollar?
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:07 PM
Oct 2016

Exposing the NSA spying is different from exposing information for the benefit of one political Party over the other, it would seem?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
16. Looks like you have some work
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 04:49 PM
Oct 2016

to do on this thread. Try and convince everyone else what a hero that pig is because the only one defending him here is you.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
18. You think I should just fall in line like a good whatever??
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 04:54 PM
Oct 2016

That would be spineless, for one.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
57. More putting words in my mouth
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 05:17 AM
Oct 2016

Like a fucking high schooler. I never told you to get in line - I said you had some work to do to convince DUers that your hero isn't a scumbag. Sorry I gave you the impression I give a crap what you do because I couldn't possibly care less.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
63. Then why have you replied?
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 08:57 AM
Oct 2016

Plenty of DUers are already convinced. Many may figure that he did us a great service. Is what the DNC was up to in service of our party?? Of course not. So they got busted and it happened when it WON'T effect the election...because Trump is going nowhere.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
20. Assnage isn't a "whistleblower"
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:06 PM
Oct 2016

He's a narcissist. He will reveal whatever it is he thinks will feed his ego. He has grudge against Clinton, and is now selectively trying to influence the election. Fuck him.

I won't say he didn;t reveal some stuff that needed revealing, but his dumbfuckery and efforts to help Trump have overwhelmed the good he did.

kentuck

(111,097 posts)
22. He lost all credibility with me...
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:09 PM
Oct 2016

with this release of the emails for purely political reasons.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
43. I got that that is your opinion of him and his actions.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:05 PM
Oct 2016

And I also got it that that is a 'narrative'.

Yesterday's 'narrative', that he's a child molester, fell on it's face.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/17/1583749/-Julian-Assange-investigated-for-online-grooming-of-8-year-old-girl

So tell me all about "whistleblowers" and "narcissists" "revealing whatever it is" someone "thinks will feed" their "ego". Tell me all about "grudges". Tell me all about Donna "selectively trying to influence the election".

Talk about "dumbfuckery".

Response to Adrahil (Reply #20)

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
35. He deliberately edited the so-called 'Collateral Murder' video. There was no war crime.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:51 PM
Oct 2016

Ever since then, he's been on a downward spiral. Getting exposed for being a liar does that to some.
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randome

(34,845 posts)
47. Well, there's this but other than this, why would we believe Wikileaks?
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:06 PM
Oct 2016
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/12/bradley-manning-collateral-murder_n_3428936.html

A computer forensics expert testified on Wednesday that confessed WikiLeaks source Bradley Manning said in a 2010 email exchange that he had “approved” edits to video of a U.S. Army helicopter attack in Iraq that killed two Reuters journalists.

That so-called “Collateral Murder” video was perhaps the most explosive document among the 700,000 that Manning sent to WikiLeaks. The organization’s founder, Julian Assange, was criticized for releasing it initially in an edited and shortened form in 2010.

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It might rain and it might not.
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Wilms

(26,795 posts)
48. So what did we miss?
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 11:13 PM
Oct 2016

We missed two times when the crew did NOT fire because of the concern for innocents. Great.

What happened before and after STILL happened.

It's amazing how for some, these little, oh he didn't cross a T or dot an i, becomes an excuse to be angry at him and AVOID the material exposed.

So what do you think about Donna Brazille?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
58. It was a war zone. The combatants violated curfew. The gunners asked for permission to fire.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 07:59 AM
Oct 2016

It should never have been a war zone. There should never have been a curfew. But it is no war crime to kill combatants in a war zone.

Not sure what Brazille has to do with this.
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It might rain and it might not.
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Response to randome (Reply #58)

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
44. I gotta tell ya, Malaise.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:15 PM
Oct 2016

For almost 12 years I've been using the same bookmark to browse to DU and I guess it just wore out. Now when I click on it, I have "no idea what world I'm in".

Soon I'll not know if I am a moderate or a progressive or who knows what else. But I have to be careful and keep a "public face", least I run into trouble with the narrative police.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
4. I generally find unrepentant rapists to be foes.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 04:25 PM
Oct 2016

His claims of wanting a radical lack of privacy are sharply undercut by his own unwillingness to face accountability for his actions.

WikiLeaks is at best incompetent in releasing things like John Podesta's password and at worst criminal assholes. None of them have put their own passwords up online.

icymist

(15,888 posts)
23. Foe.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:10 PM
Oct 2016

The man is an unrepentant rapist, an anti-Semite, a misogynist, and a darling of the Alt-Right Trump support group on Reddit. Hell, they even have an Assange Pepe; google it!

kentuck

(111,097 posts)
31. This little scheme sort of validates that, doesn't it?
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:32 PM
Oct 2016

Choosing to help Donald Trump against Hillary Clinton. How thoughtful can he be?

duncang

(1,907 posts)
33. How about foe of everyone?
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:36 PM
Oct 2016

He is avoiding possible criminal charges for rape in Sweden. So possible rapist if proven guilty no matter what toward the foe side of decency.

He has used triple parenthesis so apparent anti-semantic. That to me is toward the foe side again of any kind of decency.

With the dead man switches posted from wikileaks he and those associated with him apparently are using to blackmail countries. Again not someone who actually has a moral standing.

Just the fact of holding back different information (see above) he is not some kind of freedom of information advocate. Since he apparently also had been sitting on information about Ecuador and the U.K. F.C.O.. You have to wonder what else he is holding back for his own personal agenda.

Apparently withholding any information from the rnc while leaking dnc only would show he has a agenda. And that appears to be the case here. Trying to influence the vote for one party to me would make him a foe of American elections.

tinrobot

(10,901 posts)
34. He's a cornered animal.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:44 PM
Oct 2016

He's stuck in the embassy with now way out, so he's lashing out at those in power.

Old Vet

(2,001 posts)
36. I have a deep,deep, feeling in the next 3-4 months Mr Assange will be in the headlines again......
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 05:58 PM
Oct 2016

Heading to the USA or Sweden.......Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
37. Foe. I don't like men who take whatever they want, and damn the consequences. This extends to...
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 06:09 PM
Oct 2016

the bedroom as well as the boardroom. Doesn't surprise me in the least that he's a Trump supporter as they both share certain idiosyncrasies; sexual assault being chief among them.

hunter

(38,313 posts)
38. Self promoting garden variety internet asshole.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 06:32 PM
Oct 2016

Misogyny... check.

Antisemitism...check

Racism... check

Libertarian idiocy... check.

Digging through the crap filled closets of the internet and posting what you find there on your website, with a lot of PGP mumble magic and sleights of hand, that isn't rocket science, and it doesn't make you any kind of hero.

Assange was building a celebrity "product" of himself (he has a lot in common with Trump that way...) and he got tripped up by his own fat ego.

I'm not sure why the Ecuadorian embassy staff haven't put roofies in his drink, stuffed him into a diplomatic mail pouch, maybe with a few hundred quid cash because nobody wants to be a monster, and thrown him out of a nondescript white van onto the side of a road in some nation with very confusing extradition laws.

Assange is not exactly a credible witness about anything at this point. Even if he's got the goods on a few people nobody is going to believe him. This boy has called wolf too many times.







Oneironaut

(5,495 posts)
40. I used to be a fan. He's a Russian agent or sympathizer.
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 07:00 PM
Oct 2016

WikiLeaks is doing the bidding their master, Putin. His refusal to do anything that might hurt Russia proves how unethical WikiLeaks is. Assange is a scumbag.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
53. He's an idiot
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:56 AM
Oct 2016

No political sense.
He didn't realize there is a Democratic Party wave coming in?
He thought Clinton's emails would turn this in favor of the Orange disaster?

He's in trouble very soon.

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4lbs

(6,858 posts)
64. Julian Assange is an accused rapist trying to avoid justice, while helping out a sexual predator who
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 08:58 AM
Oct 2016

bragged about it.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
75. Karl Rove said today...
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:23 AM
Oct 2016


...on the FOX morning show that "...he is an enemy of the state."

And DU, in its wisdom, agrees with Karl Rove and FOXnews.



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ProfessorGAC

(65,044 posts)
81. There Are Few Humans I Loathe More Than Rove
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 03:44 PM
Oct 2016

(Grover Norquist comes to mind.) But, just because Rove says something right once a decade, doesn't mean i have to disagree with him and favor Assange. They're both pieces of crap.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
84. Using your logic
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 04:01 PM
Oct 2016

if rove says charles manson is murderous scum, we should hail him as some kind of hero. Does that really make sense in your universe?

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
77. All publicity is good publicity?
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:35 AM
Oct 2016

The Wikileaks / Julian Assange documentary is about to debut. The more friend and foe confusion there is the better for the success of the movie -- OR Laura Poitras is stuck with a bomb that will fizzle and embarrass her..

 

Littlered9560

(72 posts)
78. Friend turned foe.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 10:40 AM
Oct 2016

If you want to build a reputation as a leaker, you should not be playing favorites. And until he faces his accuser in court he can piss off all together.

haele

(12,657 posts)
85. A stopped clock.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 04:11 PM
Oct 2016

Wrong most of the times, right a lot of times. We loved him when his organization exposed the open secrets of the Bush Administration and contractors in Iraq. Not so much when his organization hacks into personal data of people who have an expectation of privacy so that they can be smeared with scandals.
Look at his actual actions to see his motives. Who is his organization targeting and for what purpose? What can be expected to be the outcome for his targets by exposing their "secrets"?

IMO, He's an ideologue who sees himself as being able to profit off being a "hero of the people". Sort of like a Cyber Al Capone; instead of actually looking for finding what is behind so much of the misery in the world, he and his compatriots go around looking to find political "enemies" to throw under the bus of world opinion by exposing anything that can be hacked and seeing what sticks.

It's really easy to pick up something that is already fairly easily available with a minimum of searching on the 'net and scream "look here what I found". It's also easy to just grab and dump data without curating it to see if you're actually exposing a scandal, or putting relatively innocent low-level people's identities and potentially lives in danger. Like the recent Wikileaks Turkish data dump, exposing hundreds of thousand of civilians to the threat of political arrest and potentially death for activity that had previously been legal under a more secular leader.

The appearance of shaking up the system and thumbing one's nose at "the man" without digging into the files of certain people/organizations who are actually profiting off a targeted situation is an easy way of being attractive to a lot of people who are unhappy with being on the bottom, without being responsible for actually working to make their lives better.
From what I've seen, there is very little Wikileaks has exposed over the years had not already been discussed and disparaged on forums and at sites that were interested in those subjects.

Haele

kentuck

(111,097 posts)
87. Maybe sometimes the game changes?
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 04:29 PM
Oct 2016

When he leaks emails in an attempt to influence the election in favor of Donald Trump, perhaps we should take pause?

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