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struggle4progress

(118,298 posts)
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:24 PM Oct 2016

Jury Soon to Begin Deliberating - #BundyTeaParty

OCTOBER 19, 2016
By George Prentice

... Acting as his own lawyer, defendant Ryan Bundy began presenting his closing argument to jurors Wednesday morning. He was scheduled to be followed by defense attorneys for the six remaining co-defendants. Per federal court rules, 20 potential jurors have sat through the entire trial thus far. Once the case is handed over for deliberation, eight alternate jurors will be excused, leaving 12 to make the final decision.

... federal prosecutor Ethan Knight ... "ridiculed the suggestion by defendants that any of the refuge employees could easily have shown up to work while the Bundys were using their offices" ...

Marcus Mumford, lawyer for Ammon Bundy, argued his client's intent was "to stake claim" to the refuge because there was a "legitimate dispute regarding the ownership of the land."


http://www.boiseweekly.com/boise/jury-soon-to-begin-deliberating-fate-of-seven-in-malheur-refuge-occupation-trial/Content?oid=3914828

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Jury Soon to Begin Deliberating - #BundyTeaParty (Original Post) struggle4progress Oct 2016 OP
Ryan Bundy tells jury ‘government is not our master’ struggle4progress Oct 2016 #1
Malheur has gone from “the jewel of Harney County” to “the biggest weed patch in the country” csziggy Oct 2016 #17
Ryan Bundy urges refuge jurors to 'stand for freedom' struggle4progress Oct 2016 #2
Oregon armed militants cast by defense as victims of corrupt government struggle4progress Oct 2016 #3
K & R malaise Oct 2016 #4
Contrasting stories compete for jury’s approval struggle4progress Oct 2016 #5
They'd have had a better chance with the Twinkie Defense pinboy3niner Oct 2016 #11
Thanks for the updates. sinkingfeeling Oct 2016 #6
Closing arguments wrap up struggle4progress Oct 2016 #7
Ryan Bundy quotes Martin Luther King Jr. struggle4progress Oct 2016 #8
Not sure where to set the over/under gratuitous Oct 2016 #9
Dunno. The jury is composed of people who didn't pay much attention to the events. struggle4progress Oct 2016 #10
Federal conspiracy case heads to jurors struggle4progress Oct 2016 #12
It's in the Hands of the Jury struggle4progress Oct 2016 #13
What happens in the event of a hung jury? randome Oct 2016 #14
Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. TITLE VI. TRIAL. Rule 31. Jury Verdict struggle4progress Oct 2016 #16
Thanks. I figured there would be some complications involved. randome Oct 2016 #18
K&R LeftInTX Oct 2016 #15

struggle4progress

(118,298 posts)
1. Ryan Bundy tells jury ‘government is not our master’
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:26 PM
Oct 2016

KOIN 6 News Staff and The Associated Press
Published: October 19, 2016, 6:00 am Updated: October 19, 2016, 3:49 pm

... The reason Ryan joined the protest, he explained, was to support ranchers Dwight and Steve Hammond who he believes were wrongly imprisoned. He said federal government overreach not only put the Hammonds behind bars, but continues to imperil the economies of places like Harney County.

He said Malheur has gone from “the jewel of Harney County” to “the biggest weed patch in the country” because the federal government controls the land and restricts logging and ranching.

“At some point the people have to insist that the government is not our master,” he said. “They are our servants, and we have given them a duty” ...

In her closing argument, Shawna Cox’s lawyer Tiffany Harris said she wanted to remind jurors “the refuge is a public place and these are public employees” ...


http://koin.com/2016/10/19/ryan-bundy-to-give-closing-argument-in-malheur-trial/

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
17. Malheur has gone from “the jewel of Harney County” to “the biggest weed patch in the country”
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 12:02 PM
Oct 2016

This statement shows how delusional these people are.

Malheur means 'misfortune' - which applied to both the Paiute who were dispossessed of their land and to the land itself:

The complicated history of who really ‘owns’ the occupied land in Oregon
Before the Bundys seized it from the feds, the feds seized it from the Paiute.

By Char Miller, January 7, 2016

<SNIP>

The land suffered, too. As Langston points out, it is no coincidence that dispossessing the Paiute allowed large livestock operations to take over, resulting in the rapid deterioration of grazing lands in the upper reaches of the Silvies and Blitzen rivers that flow into Malheur Lake.

Further diminishing the lake’s capacity to sustain migratory and local bird populations were the irrigation and drainage projects that the Bureau of Reclamation, founded in 1902 to manage water to boost economic development in the arid West, built upstream.

Add to this environmental degradation the reckless hunt for bird plumage: late-19th-century fashionistas coveted the white heron’s graceful feathers to adorn their hats. With gold rush-like avarice, local hunters blazed away, and within a few years, the Malheur heron population was decimated.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/01/07/the-complicated-history-of-who-really-owns-the-occupied-land-in-oregon


The myth that the area was a paradise until the Federal Government acquired the refuge land is just that - a myth. Their delusion goes back to the Sagebrush Rebellion - and the results of those standoffs generated in that confrontation were court cases that settled the exact issues that the Bundys and their followers are still fighting today:

Indeed, in 1911 in a pair of landmark decisions – Light vs. U.S. and U.S. vs. Grimaud – the Supreme Court asserted that the public lands were, in fact, public; that federal ownership of them was indisputable; and that Congress through a series of legislative acts had granted the Executive Branch, and by extension the federal land management agencies, administrative authority to manage these acres in accordance with the relevant rules and regulations.
(from above WP article)

struggle4progress

(118,298 posts)
2. Ryan Bundy urges refuge jurors to 'stand for freedom'
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:27 PM
Oct 2016

By: AP
Posted: Oct 19, 2016 01:45 PM PDT
Updated: Oct 19, 2016 01:45 PM PDT

... Acting as his own attorney, Bundy quoted Martin Luther King Jr., saying injustice anywhere is threat to justice everywhere ...

He acknowledged taking over the workspace of federal employees, saying the occupiers didn't know whose seats they were sitting in and didn't care. He said it might sound callous, but the purpose of the movement was beyond such considerations.


http://www.ktvz.com/news/ryan-bundy-urges-refuge-jurors-to-stand-for-freedom/126671498

struggle4progress

(118,298 posts)
3. Oregon armed militants cast by defense as victims of corrupt government
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:30 PM
Oct 2016

By Reuters Media
Today at 9:34 a.m.

... “You are the heart and lungs of liberty,” Mumford told jurors during an impassioned presentation lasting nearly four hours. “Only you can make clear that Mr. Bundy is not a conspirator and none of these men and women are conspirators” ...

Mumford said federal officials sought to manipulate the occupiers through the use of informants planted at the compound to help the government portray the protesters as “scary people.”

He cited evidence accepted by the court that nine government informants were present at the refuge during the occupation, furnishing intelligence to federal law enforcement while influencing the course of events there ...


http://www.brainerddispatch.com/news/elsewhere/4140114-oregon-armed-militants-cast-defense-victims-corrupt-government

struggle4progress

(118,298 posts)
5. Contrasting stories compete for jury’s approval
Wed Oct 19, 2016, 08:33 PM
Oct 2016

By Leah Sottile
October 19 at 5:44 PM

... In closing arguments presented Tuesday and Wednesday, the government and defense teams painted starkly different portraits of the six men and one woman accused of engaging in a conspiracy to impede federal officers from performing their duties at the refuge. Prosecutors argued that the conspiracy charges have been amply proven: U.S. Fish & Wildlife officers who worked at the refuge weren’t able to perform their duties because gun-toting occupiers had taken over their offices.

But the defense argues that the occupiers were doing the opposite: They were acting nobly, and that lead defendant Ammon Bundy was leading peaceful “political protesters” to act in the spirit of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. when they took over the federal facility ...

The trial included weeks of testimony that the armed protesters at the refuge were peaceful. But in its closing remarks, the government pointed to the evidence — which included more than 16,000 rounds of live ammunition — and asked the mostly female jury to see the simplicity of the conspiracy charges. “People brought their ammunition, their guns, to fortify themselves in a space that didn’t belong to them,” said Assistant U.S. Attorney Ethan Knight. By occupying the refuge, tearing down signs and setting up shop in the offices there, Knight argued that the Fish & Wildlife officers employed there were being sent a message: “You’re not welcome here anymore, we’ve changed your place of work. Go home.”

Knight said that the defendants simply don’t play by the rules. “Ammon Bundy is someone who believes the rules apply to him when he wants them to,” he said, noting that viewing the occupation as a political protest — one characterized during the trial as a “Martin Luther King-style sit-in” — “flies in the face of common sense” ...


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/10/19/as-oregon-wildlife-refuge-occupation-case-draws-to-a-close-disparate-stories-compete-for-jurys-approval/?utm_term=.b113bed2a7e5

struggle4progress

(118,298 posts)
7. Closing arguments wrap up
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 08:53 AM
Oct 2016

Thu Oct 20, 2016 | 12:24am EDT

By Scott Bransford

Closing arguments drew to an end on Wednesday ...

One attorney argued that his client, David Fry, the last of the occupiers to surrender in February, was a confused man who suffers from mental illness and found himself caught up in a dangerous protest. Others portrayed the 41-day occupation as a legitimate effort to stand up for civil liberties and rally to the cause of rural people.

Prosecutors got the last word, presenting a brief rebuttal argument reiterating the government's case that the seven defendants engaged in a lawless scheme to seize government property by armed force.

The U.S. District Court jury in Portland was set to begin deliberations on Thursday. Judge Anna Brown instructed the 12-member panel late Wednesday on how they should apply the law to facts in the case ...


http://www.reuters.com/article/us-oregon-militia-idUSKCN12K06I


struggle4progress

(118,298 posts)
8. Ryan Bundy quotes Martin Luther King Jr.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 08:56 AM
Oct 2016

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Wednesday, October 19, 2016, 7:18 PM

... Shawna Cox .. represented herself during the trial. On Wednesday, she let her standby counsel, Tiffany Harris, handle her closing statement.

Harris hit on similar points as Bundy, talking about the economic travails of Harney County. She said the government wants to sell a story that outsiders came to Burns and stirred up trouble.

"The problem was already there," Harris said ...


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ryan-bundy-quotes-martin-luther-king-jr-closing-arguments-article-1.2837204

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
9. Not sure where to set the over/under
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 08:59 AM
Oct 2016

I'm guessing that the jury is going to want lunch today, so they'll announce that they've reached a verdict about 2 p.m. PDT to make it look like there were some actual deliberations, instead of summarily pronouncing these nutjobs guilty from the jury box.

struggle4progress

(118,298 posts)
12. Federal conspiracy case heads to jurors
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 09:42 AM
Oct 2016

Maxine Bernstein, The Oregonian, Portland, Ore. (TNS)
Thursday, Oct. 20, 2016 | 2 a.m.

... Assistant U.S. Attorney Craig Gabriel responded ... "This was not a redress. This was retaliation and it was retribution for what refuge workers and BLM workers had done to the Hammonds" ... He reminded them that both Hammonds were convicted of setting fire to Bureau of Land Management land and Steven Hammond was sent to federal prison also for setting fire to land within the Malheur refuge.

"The Hammonds were the motive for committing this crime," Gabriel continued. "The refuge was not a coincidence" ...

Gabriel argued that it wouldn't have been prudent for FBI agents to have descended on the refuge's front gate and ask those standing guard to leave.

"The FBI was trying to avoid another Bunkerville," he said ...


https://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/oct/20/federal-conspiracy-case-against-ammon-bundy-six-co/

struggle4progress

(118,298 posts)
13. It's in the Hands of the Jury
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 09:44 AM
Oct 2016

By Colin Miner (Patch Staff) - October 20, 2016 4:02 am ET

Ryan Bundy apologized for "any unintentional conveniences we may have caused" as he delivered his own closing argument ...

Matt Schindler, who is representing Kenneth Medenbach, argued to jurors the actions of his defendants and others were not criminal.

"How did any of these people benefit from protesting the death of rural America?" he asked.


http://patch.com/oregon/portland/oregon-standoff-trial-ryan-bundy-tells-jurors-sorry-inconvenience

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
14. What happens in the event of a hung jury?
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 09:45 AM
Oct 2016

In this type of case, does it need to be unanimous or will a mistrial automatically be declared?
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struggle4progress

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16. Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. TITLE VI. TRIAL. Rule 31. Jury Verdict
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:29 AM
Oct 2016
(a) Return. The jury must return its verdict to a judge in open court. The verdict must be unanimous.

(b) Partial Verdicts, Mistrial, and Retrial.

(1) Multiple Defendants. If there are multiple defendants, the jury may return a verdict at any time during its deliberations as to any defendant about whom it has agreed.

(2) Multiple Counts. If the jury cannot agree on all counts as to any defendant, the jury may return a verdict on those counts on which it has agreed.

(3) Mistrial and Retrial. If the jury cannot agree on a verdict on one or more counts, the court may declare a mistrial on those counts. The government may retry any defendant on any count on which the jury could not agree ...


https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_31
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
18. Thanks. I figured there would be some complications involved.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 01:54 PM
Oct 2016

Even if every charge doesn't stick, there should be enough to put these bozos away. It's doubtful the prosecution would have 'allowed' someone who seemed anti-government to be on the jury in the first place but it's always possible a juror could secretly harbor those sentiments.
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