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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsClinton Wins. Trump Refuses to Concede. What Happens Next?
So he's going to lose.
Bigly.
And then he, what? Tweets that it's rigged? Refuses to address the nation? Calls for a revolt?
In the meantime, the winner usually waits for a phone call from the loser, which we know in this case will probably not come.
So what does President Hillary Clinton do...
Give the speech without the call?
Wait a day or two and see what he does?
Something in-between?
This is kind of a thing, isn't it (since the whole Bush v. Gore and all)? We're sailing into uncharted territory here if Trump decides to be obstinate. There has never been a precedent as far as I know.
What do you all think will go down?
My money is on President Clinton ignoring the troll and giving her speech as if he'd conceded, shortly after the media calls it (if I were here, I'd give the speech MOMENTS AFTER they call it, and not even give him a chance to place the call...but I'm probably more petulant than President Clinton will be).
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Our elections don't depend on concession by the loser. The results are objective and verified independent of the loser or winner's opinions.
no_hypocrisy
(46,130 posts)Electoral College from voting in December?
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)But then, he could try it in TX with the same batshit crazy judge the GOP likes to use. the case would have to move quickly and doubtful any appeals court would take the case any further.
stevil
(1,537 posts)As usual
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)that there was rigging, surely. Whatever various media might have to say...
relayerbob
(6,544 posts)TonyPDX
(962 posts)hibbing
(10,098 posts)Just like the birth certificate.
Peace
immoderate
(20,885 posts)--imm
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gratuitous
(82,849 posts)With all the hand-wringing in the popular media, it's no wonder some folks might get concerned or confused. Let's just proffer an answer, shall we?
The outcome of any election is contingent on the vote count, not on whether one candidate concedes or doesn't concede. So, to that extent, it doesn't matter if Trump concedes victory to Clinton.
However, we have seen in past elections that there is a procedure in place to make a legal challenge to the results of the vote counting. In 2000, the Gore campaign followed the procedure to challenge the results in three Florida counties. The campaign filed its legal challenge just before the deadline (72 hours, if memory serves), which caught the Bush campaign flat-footed as far as filing its own legal challenges in Florida. Unfortunately for the Gore campaign, the legal mechanism for the challenge was controlled by the Republican nominee's brother as governor of Florida, and the Republican nominee's statewide campaign chairman as the secretary of state of Florida.
In short order, the procedure for challenging the results of those three counties was subverted, and the challenge passed out of the legal mechanisms in place prior to the election, and thrown into a hodgepodge of popular sentiment, partisan media commentary, and a concerted effort by Republicans to subvert the mechanisms in place. These forces combined successfully to render the Florida law moot, and refer the controversy to the Supreme Court, where justices appointed by and sympathetic to the family of the Republican nominee ruled in favor of the Republican nominee.
Could it happen again? It's possible, but highly unlikely to happen in 2016. The Republican nominee will not be in a position to monkey with the vote counts or the courts, and his campaign is not savvy enough to mount a legal challenge, let alone a successful one. On a scale of 1 to 10, where 10 represents "Hair on fire, running around in a panic," the concern level for a successful challenge by Donald Trump to the election results is about -14.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Even if the other team stays on the field, it's over and counts as a win for the victors
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,754 posts)and courtesy, but Trump isn't into that. So, assuming that the election is an unequivocal win for Clinton (and so far it looks like that's what will happen), when all the polls have closed and the results are in she delivers her victory speech, just as if Trump was a normal, courteous person and conceded. Then she goes ahead with the usual preparations for taking office in January and ignores all the whining and snorting from Trump and his sorry band of losers.
ProfessorGAC
(65,081 posts)Something silverspoon Donnie knows nothing about.
PJMcK
(22,037 posts)When the polls have closed and Hillary Clinton has been declared the winner, she could troll The Donald one more time. She could address the country by thanking Donald Trump for his gracious, patriotic and thoughtful phone call- which he never made. Now, he has to respond and sputters out even more garbage making him look even more foolish.
Of course, she has far too much class for that.
Cattledog
(5,916 posts)"In law, sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition." Wikipedia.
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; July 24, 1956, ch. 678, § 1, 70 Stat. 623; Pub. L. 103322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(N), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2384
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 808; Pub. L. 103322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(L), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383
onenote
(42,715 posts)And losing candidates aren't jailed in this country.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)The rest of us move on.
salin
(48,955 posts)Trump keeps talking the number of followers on his Twitter Feed will drop dramatically (like RMoney's FB page in the week after the election), and soon the only cameras/mics are from brietbart/alex jones/etc.
Like you said the rest of us move on.
What I would *love* to see (I shouldn't admit) is a total crackup and an Morten Downey Jr at the airport/bathroom-type moment.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He was an idiot, but he was smarter than the Conald! At least he could stay on topic, even if he was unhinged!
We're dating ourselves because we know who that guy is (for others, just type the name into YOUTUBE and you'll get an eyeful!).
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Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)And immediately call a presser to announce he's contesting the election. And everyone will ignore him as they plan the inauguration...to which neither he and his family will be invited.
salin
(48,955 posts)*not* to roast DTJ if he is invited. Lest he fumes for several more years and as an even angrier and crotchety old man he decides to attempt to do this again.
jmowreader
(50,560 posts)salin
(48,955 posts)*unintended typo* I like your explanation better!
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)but then, I have family in Pittsburgh.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)...which, I suppose, would be his right.
After the EC certifies the election, it doesn't matter what he says from a legal standpoint. If he/his supporters were to protest peacefully, again -- that's their right. OTOH, if they riot or otherwise act in a violent manner, the military has sworn an oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies -- foreign and domestic. I presume that they will do that.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)they'll give the Orange Caligula a chance to make a graceful exit, but they won't wait all night for him
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relayerbob
(6,544 posts)There is no requirement anywhere for a "concession", the votes are counted, goes to EC, then to inauguratiion. He's reduced to whimpering idiot in corner with tin hat firmly in place.
KWR65
(1,098 posts)The States will certify the election and the Electoral College will select the president based on the voting in each State. There have other people in elections that have tried to contest a vote in court and the courts promptly swatted them down.
Rex
(65,616 posts)The loser has to move on.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)The electors vote in December and officially select her as president and inauguration happens on Jan 20th, 2017.
The loser does not have any part in the process whatsoever, other than being the loser in the EC vote.
onecaliberal
(32,865 posts)krispos42
(49,445 posts)... Then gives a victory speech. The federal government begins preparations for the handover.
Thumped whines a lot via lawyers and Twitter. The electoral college meets and he loses even worse than expected because his post-election behavior turns a couple of electors.
Congress accepts the EC votes and tells Thumped to shut up and grow a pair.
MADem
(135,425 posts)If he doesn't do the right thing, she should call him a boor, note that she has the popular vote by a massive margin, thank her supporters, and call herself the President - Elect ---as should the rest of us.
She's always having to wait, or being treated differently. Enough of that shit. This is HER moment. She should seize it because she deserves it.
Peaches999
(118 posts)It's just a phone call and maybe a meeting. So nothing except Hillary/Bill and Donald don't talk ever again.
Warpy
(111,283 posts)Trump will have daily tantrums and the media will keep shoving cameras in his face until they start losing ratings.
struggle4progress
(118,301 posts)as Mr Trump fades into the dustbin of forgotten candidates
Takket
(21,581 posts)His concession is neither required nor desired at this point I would imagine. And the bush/Gore precedent in the courts that the GOP SCOTUS laid down is that it doesn't matter what the hell is wrong with the election process, the date on the calendar supersedes it. So he has no recourse in the courts.
If he spends any time in the courts, its going to be with all of his accusers, not Hillary.
malaise
(269,067 posts)In fact folks will laugh him to scorn
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)give her speech, with or without a call from the Donald.
Actually Mitt stalled a bit in 2012 as I recall, partly because of the Karl Rove meltdown on Fox "News." In that case I think it may have been about an hour before Mitt finally made the call.
Concession calls are a courtesy (so this is outside the Donald's skill set), there is nothing legally binding about them.
LeftInTX
(25,406 posts)Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)And then Hillary becomes president, which is in no way dependent on Chumpy conceeding. A few of his more lonely supporters might cause some mischief in the coming months. The overwhelming majority of them will go back to watching Faux news and eating Cheetos.
randome
(34,845 posts)He doesn't have the guts to lead his feckless, lazy supporters.
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haele
(12,660 posts)But there are enough people who will remember what happened to Nixon in '60, Gore in '00, and Kerry in '04 that will shut any thing he may try to pull off down.
He doesn't have to accept the defeat. The Electoral College will make his choice for him, and then he can go move his entire clan to Eastern Europe or Russia, where his sort of temperament might be more accepted, and there's lots of beautiful women of the type he likes around to grope. And he can stay there until all his Daddy's money finally runs out.
Of course, in reality, I wouldn't wish his type on any country.
Haele
mnhtnbb
(31,395 posts)and blames her for his loss.
Hillary will have her victory party on election night. The Electoral College will meet and confirm her election. She will be sworn in
as President on January 20, 2017.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)When you pulled it did it leave a hole, it shows anyone can be replaced. The GOP will leave him where ever he lands, last years garbage.
Stuart G
(38,436 posts)So....in February ...."last years garbage"..will stink pretty bad...he already stinks pretty bad...
what is it going to be like when he is "last years garbage"?
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)That would be my bet. A concession is not required, just customary.
OneBlueDotBama
(1,384 posts)They put a Super Dave Osbourne costume on him a helmet and shove into a big cannon and fire him off the top of trump tower in the general direction of Mexico.
brush
(53,794 posts)The election will be decided and he will be done.
Period.
He can carry on as if there is something more to be done but there won't be.
He'll have the "L" on his forehead forever and we should all flash that sign whenever he dares to surface again. And after all his deplorable stunts and shenanigans, he will deserve it.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)They continue to bombard our airwaves for days, weeks, months, and years, challenging in the court of public opinion what would never fly in a court of law.
The media, eager to continue the circus that has prevailed for over a year, indulges Trump, thereby solidifying his position via the Goebbels' big lie theory.
We end up with a Democratic President, a Democratic Congress, and an outlier, the latter of which will attempt to circumscribe policy, wholly aided and abetted by a despicable media.
longship
(40,416 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Generic Other
(28,979 posts)Snopes says FAKE, but funny anyway!
brettdale
(12,382 posts)When the result comes thru and 99% of the media says that she has won, (and Karl Rove and Faux news, asks megyn kelly to
go downstairs and get them to change their minds) she should just go ahead and give her speech, thanking the American people.
Just totally ignore Trump.
I think one of two things will happen...
80% chance that he doesn't concede.
20% chance that he does, but will leave to it one of his sons to call Clinton to say hes conceding.
sabbat hunter
(6,829 posts)once the votes are all tallied and made official, Hillary Clinton wins, will be sworn in to office in January. Trump will whine and complain, then go off to start Trump TV.