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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPlayboy Model Katie May’s Death Caused By Chiropractor, Autopsy Finds
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/katie-may-cause-of-death_us_580783cfe4b0dd54ce36923bAutopsy results reveal that Katie May died after visiting a chiropractors office and sustaining a fatal tear to an artery in her neck, TMZ reported Tuesday.
The outlet obtained a copy of Mays death certificate, which says the late Playboy model and Queen of Snapchat died as a result of neck manipulation by chiropractor that tore her vertebral artery and subsequently cut off blood flow to her brain. Her death was ruled accidental, although its not known if the models family will pursue further action against the chiropractor.
Spinal manipulation is quackery and dangerous.
Please proceed.
Aristus
(66,380 posts)Go to a physical therapist.
I've never had a patient who received lasting care from a chiropractor. Some have undergone manipulation for decades with no improvement.
Go to a licensed, trained physical therapist. He/she wants to make you better, and then never see you again. (Because you're better...)
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)What they said made sense to a degree, and what they did helped. To tell you the truth, I had the hots for someone who worked there.
A few years earlier, I learned everything I needed to know from a physical therapist in a military hospital.
My back was injured through work, and I chose the chiropractor...dishonest I admit now...it did help...stay away from my neck.
Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)I think this case serves as a perfect example of why they don't.
Aristus
(66,380 posts)pansypoo53219
(20,978 posts)fixed my sciatica & along the way, fixed my SCOLIOSIS. tho i was getting straighter over time. 1 curve to 3. i never liked the neck twists. don't get that now. had neck issues. GET A NEW PILLOW for that.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)She thought 'God' worked through her hands and she could cure ANYTHING with spinal manipulation. When I got bronchitis and called in sick, she demanded I come to work so she could work on me and fix it. I told her no and then quit.
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)canetoad
(17,167 posts)Melbourne paediatrician Chris Pappas cared for a four-month-old baby last year after one of her vertebrae was fractured during a chiropractic treatment for torticollis - an abnormal neck position that is usually harmless. He said the infant was lucky to make a full recovery.
http://www.smh.com.au/national/health/call-for-age-limit-after-chiropractor-breaks-babys-neck-20130928-2ul6e.html
Archae
(46,328 posts)People do die from doctors (real doctors) also.
While chiropractic is nothing more than quackery, I don't know if the "adjustment" caused the stroke, directly.
Tess49
(1,580 posts)the spinal manipulation. I am aware of a couple of similar cases that did not result in death. The vertebral arteries run through the spinal processes on both sides of the spine. At around the level of the neck they begin to enter the brain. Occlusion or damage to these arteries can result in a stroke.
Archae
(46,328 posts)It is beginning to sound like this woman's chiropractor is a quack, even by chiropractic standards.
No doubt wrongful death lawsuits are on the way.
Tess49
(1,580 posts)ALBliberal
(2,342 posts)Method of gently aligning the spine through soundwaves....a series of adjustments (based on her x-ray of the spine) basically a tap behind my ear and never a hard manipulation of my neck or back. I was never a big seeker of chiropractic adjustments but this chiropractor and this method pretty much saved me when I felt I would never be pain free again.
Laffy Kat
(16,382 posts)Mistakes can cause permanent damage or, obviously, death. They are less likely to screw up your thoracic or lumbar regions. Just do your homework first. I'm strictly a Western medicine person myself.
Raine
(30,540 posts)to say about the experience.
saved me from years of chronic pain from a bicycle accident.
Daemonaquila
(1,712 posts)Chiros are quacks providing comfort care better handled by massage therapists at best, hurt people at worst. I am a disability attorney, and read lots of medical records of people who unfortunately chose chiro care at one time or another. At best, no harm done but the patient received only minor, short term benefit. At worst, I've seen patients crippled by chiros, doing idiotic things like manipulating necks after an accident for months without any imaging, and displacing broken pieces of vertebrae so that they permanently damaged the spinal cord. Chiro is proof that a good lobby is worth more than scientific proof that a treatment is in any way beneficial.
mnhtnbb
(31,391 posts)when I went to see him for recurring pain and muscle spasm resulting from whiplash--thanks to being rear-ended three times
in four years on the roads of L.A. in the mid-late 70's.
He told me to walk. And that walking would help keep the muscles relaxed. I started walking on a regular basis and
have kept it up for almost 40 years. I still have occasional muscle spasms in my neck--when I'm stressed--and usually
when I have stopped walking for some reason.
Not all chiropractors are quacks.
edhopper
(33,580 posts)is quackery, that a chiropractor told you the same thing a certified physical therapist would only shows that he knew it doesn't work.
Some are good masseuses and some know general PT, but the practice is psuedoscience.
madokie
(51,076 posts)Was at a chiropractor's office. I swore I'd never go back to see one and I haven't. Thats been at least 40 years ago.
Dorian Gray
(13,496 posts)My husband has had a pinched nerve. He went to dr. They did x rays. Two vertebrae are on top of one another. He's seeing a PT. But he's going on week three of excruciating pain. Was thinking of Chiro, but after reading this... NO WAY!
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)I used to know a woman who kept going back to her chiropractor again and again even though she often got headaches from it, it's borderline cult behavior.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Bucky
(54,014 posts)Siwsan
(26,263 posts)My mother suffered from severe sciatica and it was completely resolved by a chiropractor, in just a few visits. And that's the tip off. He helped her, and she was done. He didn't try to keep her as an ongoing patient.
But during my time credentialing health care providers, I ran across what seemed like an inordinate number of malpractice cases for them. Some were due to the injury that was being treated became worse, due to that treatment. But a disturbing number were doe to inappropriate contact of a sexual nature. Of course, some of those were baseless, but I saw very few that were dismissed w/o payment.
It is just not a treatment route I'd consider.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)He went to the guy every couple of months, as he had for several years. One day, he said it felt like something popped in his neck in a peculiar way. He went home and was watching TV, but then told his wife that he was tired and was going to lay down. She knew that he never did that and went to check on him about 30 minutes later. She found him unresponsive and with very low respiration. Then she saw him stop breathing. She called 911 and they got her to start the heart pumping. After a minute of so, they had her blow into his mouth a couple of times, then start the heart massage. Within ten seconds he started breathing again, but it was very shallow.
The ambulance arrived within 8-9 minutes after she first called 911. The EMT's got his breathing stabilized and my friend 'woke up" in the ambulance on the way to the hospital and was very confused. He had no idea. After the heart people, lung people and others were done with him, the neurologist started. He was diagnosed with pretty much blunt force trauma of where his skull and neck attach. The trauma had caused something similar to a stroke. He spent about a week in the hospital. He recovered, but I can tell a bit of difference in the way he acts. His wife has told others that she notices some difference also.
My friend had not been in an accident or had not fallen or anything else. The neurologist told him point blank that the trauma was caused by the chiropractor. If his wife had not checked on him, I would have gone to see him in a funeral home instead of a hospital. How anybody can allow that chiropractors to touch them is beyond comprehension.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)for keeping me walking after an accident that caused a lot of damage; the doctors who treated me in the ICU, and the neuropathologist they sent me to, shrugged, said there was nothing more they could do, and that the damage and the pain went with it, was permanent.
The chiropractor, through a variety of therapies, had me moving well and almost pain free within 3 weeks.
Naysayers can bloviate all they want. They haven't not walked, then walked, in my shoes.
DFW
(54,397 posts)Sometimes the sessions helped a little, sometimes not.
Then, on a quick trip up to London for the weekend, after seeing the chiropractor that Wednesday, I ran into a colleague from Brazil, and told him of my back pain. He gave me a pink pill and said "take this before going to bed." I was desperate, so I tried it. At that point, I didn't care if it contained one third curare (it didn't contain curare).
When I woke up the next morning, my pain was gone, as in *poof* vanished in a puff of smoke. It didn't come back, either. I saw the chiropractor the next Monday, and he asked how I was doing. I said great. This was unexpected enough that he asked HOW great? I said my pain was gone, vanished. He asked me to lie down and he felt along my back. He noticed that the tension was completely gone. He said the German equivalent of "how the hell did you do THAT?" I told him about the Brazilian pill, and he just couldn't believe it. I have given these things to friends in both America and Europe. They're apparently not sold in Europe or the USA but are available over the counter in Brazil. Every friend I have given one to has said they were either much better the next day, or completely better, like I was. They don't cure bone damage of course, but if the pain is muscular, these things relax the muscles overnight like nothing else I've ever tried. Granted, I don't like taking ANYTHING, so I haven't tried much. But they sure did what a chiropractor (and everything else I could think of) could not.
Rex
(65,616 posts)My Chi is just fine.