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edhopper

(33,580 posts)
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:27 PM Oct 2016

Playboy Model Katie May’s Death Caused By Chiropractor, Autopsy Finds

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/katie-may-cause-of-death_us_580783cfe4b0dd54ce36923b

Autopsy results reveal that Katie May died after visiting a chiropractor’s office and sustaining a fatal tear to an artery in her neck, TMZ reported Tuesday.

The outlet obtained a copy of May’s death certificate, which says the late Playboy model and “Queen of Snapchat” died as a result of “neck manipulation by chiropractor” that tore her vertebral artery and subsequently cut off blood flow to her brain. Her death was ruled accidental, although it’s not known if the model’s family will pursue further action against the chiropractor.



Spinal manipulation is quackery and dangerous.

Please proceed.
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Playboy Model Katie May’s Death Caused By Chiropractor, Autopsy Finds (Original Post) edhopper Oct 2016 OP
If you have back pain, don't go to a chiropractor. Aristus Oct 2016 #1
I went to one in the mid80s for lower back pain. rusty quoin Oct 2016 #3
Physical therapists don't manipulate. Frank Cannon Oct 2016 #29
Exactly. Aristus Oct 2016 #30
i had some bad sciatica from a fall. found a back specialist chiropractor. she treats nuns. pansypoo53219 Oct 2016 #31
I worked for a chiropractor for 2 years a log time ago. She was crazy. Avalux Oct 2016 #2
"Magnolia Ellis" ? Jim Beard Oct 2016 #37
More like fanatical Christian. Same concept though. n/t Avalux Oct 2016 #40
Happening here too canetoad Oct 2016 #4
Just to play devil's advocate... Archae Oct 2016 #5
The discussion in this case is that the vertebral artery dissected as a direct result of Tess49 Oct 2016 #8
I've read about that, previously. Archae Oct 2016 #18
You're right about that. Lawsuits probably already filed. Tess49 Oct 2016 #21
Serious neck injury here. I was helped by a chiropractor that practices the "orthogonal" ALBliberal Oct 2016 #6
If you do go to a chiropractor, for God's sake don't let them work on your c-spine. Laffy Kat Oct 2016 #7
Saw a chiropractor regularly and never had a problem, I only have good things Raine Oct 2016 #9
same here. Javaman Oct 2016 #15
Spot on. Daemonaquila Oct 2016 #10
A chiropractor who was treating athletes for sports injuries in Los Angeles gave me excellent advice mnhtnbb Oct 2016 #11
Spinal subluxation, the basis of chiropratic edhopper Oct 2016 #16
One of the worst 35 bucks I ever wasted madokie Oct 2016 #12
!!! Heidi Oct 2016 #22
Scary stuff Dorian Gray Oct 2016 #13
Chiropracty is a scam. Odin2005 Oct 2016 #14
Guitarist Robbie Basho was killed by an "intentional whiplash experiment" by a chiropractor CBGLuthier Oct 2016 #17
So sad! May he rest in peace. In_The_Wind Oct 2016 #32
Damn. Only 34 years old. Bucky Oct 2016 #24
There are some ethical Chiropractors, but I used to review a whole lot of malpractice cases on them. Siwsan Oct 2016 #27
I have a good friend that nearly died after a visit to his chiropractor. tonyt53 Oct 2016 #28
I credit my chiropractor LWolf Oct 2016 #34
Two years ago, I had horrible back pain, even saw a chiropractor DFW Oct 2016 #38
I wouldn't trust anyone to play with my neck. Rex Oct 2016 #39
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Aristus

(66,380 posts)
1. If you have back pain, don't go to a chiropractor.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:33 PM
Oct 2016

Go to a physical therapist.

I've never had a patient who received lasting care from a chiropractor. Some have undergone manipulation for decades with no improvement.

Go to a licensed, trained physical therapist. He/she wants to make you better, and then never see you again. (Because you're better...)

 

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
3. I went to one in the mid80s for lower back pain.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:53 PM
Oct 2016

What they said made sense to a degree, and what they did helped. To tell you the truth, I had the hots for someone who worked there.

A few years earlier, I learned everything I needed to know from a physical therapist in a military hospital.

My back was injured through work, and I chose the chiropractor...dishonest I admit now...it did help...stay away from my neck.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
29. Physical therapists don't manipulate.
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 02:09 PM
Oct 2016

I think this case serves as a perfect example of why they don't.

pansypoo53219

(20,978 posts)
31. i had some bad sciatica from a fall. found a back specialist chiropractor. she treats nuns.
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 04:32 PM
Oct 2016

fixed my sciatica & along the way, fixed my SCOLIOSIS. tho i was getting straighter over time. 1 curve to 3. i never liked the neck twists. don't get that now. had neck issues. GET A NEW PILLOW for that.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
2. I worked for a chiropractor for 2 years a log time ago. She was crazy.
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:36 PM
Oct 2016

She thought 'God' worked through her hands and she could cure ANYTHING with spinal manipulation. When I got bronchitis and called in sick, she demanded I come to work so she could work on me and fix it. I told her no and then quit.

canetoad

(17,167 posts)
4. Happening here too
Thu Oct 20, 2016, 11:54 PM
Oct 2016
Melbourne paediatrician Chris Pappas cared for a four-month-old baby last year after one of her vertebrae was fractured during a chiropractic treatment for torticollis - an abnormal neck position that is usually harmless. He said the infant was lucky to make a full recovery.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/health/call-for-age-limit-after-chiropractor-breaks-babys-neck-20130928-2ul6e.html

Archae

(46,328 posts)
5. Just to play devil's advocate...
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 12:13 AM
Oct 2016

People do die from doctors (real doctors) also.

While chiropractic is nothing more than quackery, I don't know if the "adjustment" caused the stroke, directly.

Tess49

(1,580 posts)
8. The discussion in this case is that the vertebral artery dissected as a direct result of
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 12:42 AM
Oct 2016

the spinal manipulation. I am aware of a couple of similar cases that did not result in death. The vertebral arteries run through the spinal processes on both sides of the spine. At around the level of the neck they begin to enter the brain. Occlusion or damage to these arteries can result in a stroke.

Archae

(46,328 posts)
18. I've read about that, previously.
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 10:47 AM
Oct 2016

It is beginning to sound like this woman's chiropractor is a quack, even by chiropractic standards.

No doubt wrongful death lawsuits are on the way.

ALBliberal

(2,342 posts)
6. Serious neck injury here. I was helped by a chiropractor that practices the "orthogonal"
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 12:23 AM
Oct 2016

Method of gently aligning the spine through soundwaves....a series of adjustments (based on her x-ray of the spine) basically a tap behind my ear and never a hard manipulation of my neck or back. I was never a big seeker of chiropractic adjustments but this chiropractor and this method pretty much saved me when I felt I would never be pain free again.

Laffy Kat

(16,382 posts)
7. If you do go to a chiropractor, for God's sake don't let them work on your c-spine.
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 12:33 AM
Oct 2016

Mistakes can cause permanent damage or, obviously, death. They are less likely to screw up your thoracic or lumbar regions. Just do your homework first. I'm strictly a Western medicine person myself.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
9. Saw a chiropractor regularly and never had a problem, I only have good things
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 01:35 AM
Oct 2016

to say about the experience.

 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
10. Spot on.
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 01:50 AM
Oct 2016

Chiros are quacks providing comfort care better handled by massage therapists at best, hurt people at worst. I am a disability attorney, and read lots of medical records of people who unfortunately chose chiro care at one time or another. At best, no harm done but the patient received only minor, short term benefit. At worst, I've seen patients crippled by chiros, doing idiotic things like manipulating necks after an accident for months without any imaging, and displacing broken pieces of vertebrae so that they permanently damaged the spinal cord. Chiro is proof that a good lobby is worth more than scientific proof that a treatment is in any way beneficial.

mnhtnbb

(31,391 posts)
11. A chiropractor who was treating athletes for sports injuries in Los Angeles gave me excellent advice
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 06:15 AM
Oct 2016

when I went to see him for recurring pain and muscle spasm resulting from whiplash--thanks to being rear-ended three times
in four years on the roads of L.A. in the mid-late 70's.

He told me to walk. And that walking would help keep the muscles relaxed. I started walking on a regular basis and
have kept it up for almost 40 years. I still have occasional muscle spasms in my neck--when I'm stressed--and usually
when I have stopped walking for some reason.

Not all chiropractors are quacks.

edhopper

(33,580 posts)
16. Spinal subluxation, the basis of chiropratic
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 09:34 AM
Oct 2016

is quackery, that a chiropractor told you the same thing a certified physical therapist would only shows that he knew it doesn't work.

Some are good masseuses and some know general PT, but the practice is psuedoscience.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
12. One of the worst 35 bucks I ever wasted
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 06:23 AM
Oct 2016

Was at a chiropractor's office. I swore I'd never go back to see one and I haven't. Thats been at least 40 years ago.

Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
13. Scary stuff
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 06:28 AM
Oct 2016

My husband has had a pinched nerve. He went to dr. They did x rays. Two vertebrae are on top of one another. He's seeing a PT. But he's going on week three of excruciating pain. Was thinking of Chiro, but after reading this... NO WAY!

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
14. Chiropracty is a scam.
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 08:05 AM
Oct 2016

I used to know a woman who kept going back to her chiropractor again and again even though she often got headaches from it, it's borderline cult behavior.

Siwsan

(26,263 posts)
27. There are some ethical Chiropractors, but I used to review a whole lot of malpractice cases on them.
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 01:15 PM
Oct 2016

My mother suffered from severe sciatica and it was completely resolved by a chiropractor, in just a few visits. And that's the tip off. He helped her, and she was done. He didn't try to keep her as an ongoing patient.

But during my time credentialing health care providers, I ran across what seemed like an inordinate number of malpractice cases for them. Some were due to the injury that was being treated became worse, due to that treatment. But a disturbing number were doe to inappropriate contact of a sexual nature. Of course, some of those were baseless, but I saw very few that were dismissed w/o payment.

It is just not a treatment route I'd consider.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
28. I have a good friend that nearly died after a visit to his chiropractor.
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 01:26 PM
Oct 2016

He went to the guy every couple of months, as he had for several years. One day, he said it felt like something popped in his neck in a peculiar way. He went home and was watching TV, but then told his wife that he was tired and was going to lay down. She knew that he never did that and went to check on him about 30 minutes later. She found him unresponsive and with very low respiration. Then she saw him stop breathing. She called 911 and they got her to start the heart pumping. After a minute of so, they had her blow into his mouth a couple of times, then start the heart massage. Within ten seconds he started breathing again, but it was very shallow.

The ambulance arrived within 8-9 minutes after she first called 911. The EMT's got his breathing stabilized and my friend 'woke up" in the ambulance on the way to the hospital and was very confused. He had no idea. After the heart people, lung people and others were done with him, the neurologist started. He was diagnosed with pretty much blunt force trauma of where his skull and neck attach. The trauma had caused something similar to a stroke. He spent about a week in the hospital. He recovered, but I can tell a bit of difference in the way he acts. His wife has told others that she notices some difference also.

My friend had not been in an accident or had not fallen or anything else. The neurologist told him point blank that the trauma was caused by the chiropractor. If his wife had not checked on him, I would have gone to see him in a funeral home instead of a hospital. How anybody can allow that chiropractors to touch them is beyond comprehension.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
34. I credit my chiropractor
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 02:45 PM
Oct 2016

for keeping me walking after an accident that caused a lot of damage; the doctors who treated me in the ICU, and the neuropathologist they sent me to, shrugged, said there was nothing more they could do, and that the damage and the pain went with it, was permanent.

The chiropractor, through a variety of therapies, had me moving well and almost pain free within 3 weeks.

Naysayers can bloviate all they want. They haven't not walked, then walked, in my shoes.

DFW

(54,397 posts)
38. Two years ago, I had horrible back pain, even saw a chiropractor
Sat Oct 22, 2016, 04:41 PM
Oct 2016

Sometimes the sessions helped a little, sometimes not.

Then, on a quick trip up to London for the weekend, after seeing the chiropractor that Wednesday, I ran into a colleague from Brazil, and told him of my back pain. He gave me a pink pill and said "take this before going to bed." I was desperate, so I tried it. At that point, I didn't care if it contained one third curare (it didn't contain curare).

When I woke up the next morning, my pain was gone, as in *poof* vanished in a puff of smoke. It didn't come back, either. I saw the chiropractor the next Monday, and he asked how I was doing. I said great. This was unexpected enough that he asked HOW great? I said my pain was gone, vanished. He asked me to lie down and he felt along my back. He noticed that the tension was completely gone. He said the German equivalent of "how the hell did you do THAT?" I told him about the Brazilian pill, and he just couldn't believe it. I have given these things to friends in both America and Europe. They're apparently not sold in Europe or the USA but are available over the counter in Brazil. Every friend I have given one to has said they were either much better the next day, or completely better, like I was. They don't cure bone damage of course, but if the pain is muscular, these things relax the muscles overnight like nothing else I've ever tried. Granted, I don't like taking ANYTHING, so I haven't tried much. But they sure did what a chiropractor (and everything else I could think of) could not.

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