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alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 11:02 AM Oct 2016

The Bush-McCain Vision v. The Palin-Trump Vision

On Election Day 2008, as the calls were being made across the country, and it became clear that Barack Obama had won the Presidency, John McCain prepared for his concession speech. Waiting in the wings, quite literally, was Sarah Palin. She wanted to speak to her own people, the people she felt she'd brought on board, the hard-right, aggrieved conservatives, the angry rural whites, the ones who now keep Trump's failing campaign vaguely afloat.

McCain said no. Absolutely not. Palin was livid.

In that moment we see the outline of the Republican Party's future, a future that is playing out before us in these final two plus weeks of the 2016 campaign. It is perhaps hard to remember, and Bush-Cheney were so terrible at everything that we tend to forget, but the Bush vision for the GOP, embraced, I think, by McCain, was for a far more inclusive party. It would be a party that embraced Latinos, that sought out even moderate conservative African Americans, that worked with women, that enacted actual policy to win the Arab-American and Muslim votes in Michigan and elsewhere, that was, in short, "compassionate." As much as we derided that notion at the time, it was probably an ethos, and at the very least a brand.

Palin destroyed it. The GOP had a roadmap for undercutting their demographic disadvantages, and the Palin factions within the GOP destroyed it. The Palinization of the GOP has been completely destructive - to the GOP. Trump is merely its logical flag-bearer, and perhaps the last one. It's unsustainable. So, over the next months, you'll see, I suspect, a massive effort to revive the Bush vision, not in any Bush, but throughout the Party organization. Whether it succeeds or not will depend on the scope of Trump's defeat.

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The Bush-McCain Vision v. The Palin-Trump Vision (Original Post) alcibiades_mystery Oct 2016 OP
Yeah, it makes sense... Wounded Bear Oct 2016 #1
HBO's "Game Change" longship Oct 2016 #2
Thanks! alcibiades_mystery Oct 2016 #3
You are very welcome. longship Oct 2016 #4

Wounded Bear

(58,662 posts)
1. Yeah, it makes sense...
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 12:07 PM
Oct 2016

after '12 they did their autopsy, and it had some things in it that are kind of scary to Dems. It recommended going after our voter base.

From a raw power stand point, the Repubs did the best thing for the Dem party when they took that autopsy and filed it away in some dusty cabinet somewhere, never to again see the light of day.

The current white supremesist takeover of the Repub Party is something that has been underway since the Southern Strategy was adopted by Nixon. Bush and McCain could see what was happening and perhaps worked to reverse it, although a case could be made they didn't work that hard to.

longship

(40,416 posts)
2. HBO's "Game Change"
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 12:55 PM
Oct 2016

With a stellar cast. Here is that scene, with Woody Harrelson as Steve Schmidt (who has been prominent in recent days) laying it down about concession speeches.



HBO films are amongst the best. If you haven't seen Game Change you are missing something important.

And wonderful Ed Harris as John McCain and Juliette Moore as "Sparkle Moose".

It is a rather great film, as are many HBO endeavors.

longship

(40,416 posts)
4. You are very welcome.
Fri Oct 21, 2016, 01:27 PM
Oct 2016

I have become a rather big fan of HBO films. They have great casts, great narratives, truly great history.

Other exemplars.
Too Big to Fail with Paul Giamatti channeling Ben Bernacke and Canadian William Hurt as Henry Paulson and evil James Woods as ultimately evil Dick Fuld, CEO of Lehman Bros. (Brilliantly cast!) Evil cast as evil!

And then there's Temple Grandin which if TV movies were given an opening to the Academy would have Claire Danes with an Oscar. Like many HBO films, their art is extraordinary. That this film has been embraced by Professor Temple Grandin herself ought to earn Oscars by itself as a testament to what HBO is doing.

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