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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsVanity Fair - The Inglorious End of Chris Christie
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/10/chris-christie-donald-trump-campaign<snip>
After dropping out of the Republican primary, Chris Christie emerged as one of Donald Trumps most vocal, and arguably most effective, surrogates. But the unusual bromance between the New Jersey governor and the New York real-estate mogul has come at a steep political cost to Christie. Now, despite months of loyalty to the man he reportedly calls Mr. Trump, Christie appears to be fading into the background as the Trump campaign sinks under a wave of sexual harassment allegations, just as new developments in the Bridgegate scandal threaten to drown Christies own political legacy back home. With Christies gubernatorial approval rating hitting a new low, its looking increasingly clear that hitching his Beltway ambitions to Trumps star was a career-ending mistake.
In recent weeks, Christie has struggled to defend his former rival. After Trumps hot-mic scandal first broke two weeks ago, Christie characterized the Republican nominees remarks as indefensible. He pulled out of a scheduled CNN appearance the day after the recording first surfaced, and was conspicuously absent from the second presidential debate. On Monday, when asked if he was proud of the Trump campaign, the governor demurred. For me, the person who needs most to be concerned about the kind of campaign they are running is the candidate. Because its the candidates campaign, Christie told NBC News. Its not my campaign. Its not Jeff Sessionss campaign. Its not Rudy Giulianis campaign. Were surrogates. And Im proud of everything Ive said and thats all I can control. The rest of it I cant control.
It was a telling admission of defeat after months of fervently defending any number of Trumps indefensible political blunders on the campaign trail. As the head of Trumps White House transition teama consolation prize, and perhaps a stepping-stone to a Cabinet position, after Trump passed over him for vice presidentChristie has as much invested as anybody in getting Trump across the finish line. Yet as The Washington Post reported Wednesday, Christie has effectively delegated his responsibilities to Rich Bagger, his former chief of staff, who is at the center of the potentially ill-fated effort to assemble a viable Trump administration. Christie, after all, has his own problems to deal with. Earlier this month, the prosecutions star witness and former Christie ally David Wildstein testified in the ongoing Bridgegate case that the governor was not only aware of the 2013 scheme to engineer a politically-motivated traffic jam on the George Washington Bridge, but that he laughed about it (and allegedly colluded with New York governor Andrew Cuomo to cover up his involvement). Last week, a New Jersey judge issued a criminal summons against Christie after ruling that there was probable cause to launch a criminal investigation into his role in the lane-closure scandal. (Christie has maintained he had no knowledge of the lane realignments either before they happened or while they were happening, according to a spokesperson.)
Bridgegate isnt the only reason that Christies political stock is tanking. New Jersey voters were peeved when he abandoned the state to campaign for president, putting his national ambitions ahead of the states interests. A 2015 survey of conservative New Jersey voters found that only 5 percent supported his decision to run. Christies fortunes sank further when he didnt return to the Garden State after ending his bid, instead becoming a top surrogate and adviser to Donald Trump. As if to deliberately solidify his unpopularity, last week Christie signed a bill increasing the gas tax 23 centsthe first gas tax increase since 1988. According to a poll released Wednesday, Christies approval rating has since sunk to 21 percent, down from 26 percent in July. Or, put another way, a whopping four out of five people in New Jersey disapprove of the Republican governor.
global1
(25,253 posts)to have had prior knowledge of the bridge closing. He had to believe that one of his team would rat him out.
The M.O. for all Repugs is - just lie.
Well the lies are finally catching up with the Repugs.
malaise
(269,067 posts)If you are prepared to have an out of control politician throw a water bottle at you and not leave the job, don't blame the asshole for believing you'll remain loyal.
When Stepien ran out of the state, the cat was out of the bag - I knew they all knew
http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/09/whos_telling_the_truth_in_bridgegate_wildstein_or.html
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The former Port Authority official who has pleaded guilty in the lane closure scandal, said Gov. Chris Christie knew about the traffic at the George Washington Bridge while it was happening. And, according to Wildstein's testimony, when the governor was informed about the gridlock in Fort Lee just before a ceremony to honor victims of 9/11, no less he laughed.
The governor refuted the allegations Tuesday, maintaining he knew didn't know about the scheme or the bridge lane closures.
WNYC's Matt Katz and Andrea Bernstein join us with the latest on the trial. This week, we dig deep into Wildstein's testimony. Speaking with host David Furst, Matt says it's all starting to make sense why "Wildstein would have been able to get away with it and why there would have been such an attempt at a cover-up."
Plus, we look at another ex-Christie confidante who has emerged as a key figure in the Bridgegate saga, the governor's former campaign manager and current national field director for the Trump presidential campaign Bill Stepien.
spanone
(135,846 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)did him in. Certain mayors wouldn't play ball with endorsements, so a heavily used bridge is jammed to public traffic.
"Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee."
Time for some court proceedings on the mean-spirited Governor of New Jersey.
And Governor Christy, I know you'll savor the irony that certain orange suits worn by certain people in certain prisons are the same color as both Trump's hair and the cones used to clog bridge traffic.
malaise
(269,067 posts)If he could have pulled off significant support in a blue state, he thought he would be the presidential candidate. To be kind, he's just another nasty, vindictive, corrupt ReTHUGcretin.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)his duties as a state's governor and was scheming for a national campaign.
Didn't work out so well after the lane closings on that bridge. He went from a strong contender for the Pukes' nom to an ass-over-teacups fall down the stairwell.
I hope Democrats in New Jersey have some good folks lined up to run for governor next cycle there.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)clown.
NJ Democrats need to be reminded of this all the time. The NJ Democratic Party supported this turd.
malaise
(269,067 posts)I remember that well
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)All of those jerks that bowed down to Christie and threw Buono under the bus - can't fight Murphy - who is running towards his time working for Obama and makes no excuses for his career in Finance.
NNadir
(33,528 posts)We in the Democratic Party have had a very weak selection process for our candidates in this state, and it is reflected in the fact that we have not really had an outstanding Governor in this state since Jim Florio was defeated by that awful woman Christie Whitman using a "no tax" pledge that bankrupted us.
(On reflection, I've overlooked Richard Codey - but his Governorship was too short to have reached its full potential, and he was forced out by that distracted money man John Corzine)
Now of course, it appears that our next gubernatorial candidate will be Phil Murphy - apparently by acclimation although he has been in no way vetted - and our best Democrats in this state, Codey and former Congressman Rush Holt - have received no attention whatsoever.
New Jersey is one of the most wonderful places on earth to live; and somehow the state has managed to survive although each Governor we've elected - Codey wasn't elected governor - in recent years has managed to at least as bad as, and in many cases (including Kripsy Christie) far worse than his or her predecessor.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I'm sure that will have the East Coast hand-wringer crowd very "concerned"
NNadir
(33,528 posts)At this point, stoner issues have basically no meaning.
It's hardly a worthwhile issue on which to select a Governor. Important issues are dealing with our cities, Camden, Trenton, and Newark in that order; extending decent and safe schools for the students there, expanding our environmental protections, reversing the outflow of our intellectual base, the high technology companies that supported our economy for so many decades, preventing our farms from becoming ever more strip malls and housing tracts.
I don't see what having more people freely smoking joints have to do with any of that.
I am, if you must know, an "East Coast Hand Wringer," at least in the minds, I'm sure of poorly focused people who worry about trivialities in an increasingly dire time.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Just wait.
Thank you, for proving my point more concisely than I could ever hope to. Meanwhile, CO, WA, and OR have pulled in over 100 million dollars in taxable revenue this year from legalized cannabis. EACH.
A little podunk state called California; maybe you've heard of it? is also set to legalize in a couple weeks. I certainly wouldn't bet against it. Some overall-wearing hayseed named Gavin Newsom, the Lt. Governor of that remote, unpopulated region, also supports the measure, strongly.
Takes it serious, he does. He also has some farfetched tarnation notions of running for Governor, and some crazy people have even suggested the man might even be a future Democratic contender for President in a decade or so.
Yeah, the East Coast will catch a clue, eventually, probably a good 5-10 years after the West does, because that seems to be how things work. Until then, feel free to imagine that the issue is one giant cheech and chong joke. (Of course, Mass. and Maine may legalize on election day, too, and more power to 'em)
...As for the "outflow of your high technology intellectual base".... hmm, and I wonder where they're going? Any ideas?
Maybe they're moving to states that aren't run by donut-munching thugs like Chris Christie, and hopelessly stuck in the past.
NNadir
(33,528 posts)Our intellectual base is not going to stoner land, if you must know.
It's going to Massachusetts, but that doesn't have anything to do with the glory of getting high.
I've met thousands of high level scientists in my career; I can't recall any of them carried on about marijuana laws per se, although I have known scientists who have worked on the medicinal and biochemistry of cannabinoids.
I lived for many years, a good part of two decades, in California. So I've heard of it; and I'm glad, frankly to be gone from it. The K-12 schools sucked because of the worship of a mindless flake called Howard Jarvis, the energy policies were stupid, and they kept electing people like Ronald Reagan, Pete Wilson, George Dukemejian, and let's not forget Governor Hydrogen Hummer himself, Arnold.
It's therefore not surprising to me at all that there are people there who regard access to dope as the premier issue in the State.
I don't think that high tech companies in California are there because of the great K-12 schools. My general impression is that a good deal of fashion is involved and some high paid executives like the weather. (The University system is still excellent, although I would expect that to decline as well. I've advised my son to ignore all the emails he gets from Berkeley, UCSD, UCSB and UCLA.)
Um, a hundred million bucks out of the pockets of stoners is not going to fix California schools, and making it easier to get high won't either. It's a trivial amount of money, particularly in California, where according to the budget document I just called up, the budget is 118 billion dollars. That's three orders of magnitude more than the projected revenue from the dope bill.
Over the years, I've seldom been inspired by people trying to do math while high.
From where I sit, the premier issue in California, might be something other than pot, for example, um, water, but I guess if you're high enough, you wouldn't care much about that.
Like I said, I'm glad to be the hell out of there. I certainly wouldn't want New Jersey to be more like California, anything but...
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Try adding another zero, at least.
http://extract.suntimes.com/news/10/153/11109/california-marijuana-legalization-taxes-1-billion-predicted/
Of course, you are dealing with the most populous state in the union, as well as the 8th largest economy on the planet. But; im sure it's all due to "fashion" that all those 38 million people (numbers again... bummer, duuuude) wouldnt rather live in New Jersey.
Certainly.
Yyyyyyyyyeah. I've been to both, and I know which one i like better.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Jarqui
(10,126 posts)His polling is brutal.
He'll probably join BS artist Rudy Giuliani on the media pundit circuit so unfortunately, we probably haven't heard the last of him unless he wind up in jail after his people fingered him in court
malaise
(269,067 posts)after this politically vindictive act against citizens of New Jersey.
Laxman
(2,419 posts)was the last straw for people, but I think not. Although it was clearly a cumulative result, vpeople finally came around to understanding what a vile person Christie is. It's not Trump, it's not Bridgegate, it's not the gas tax shell game that he played, its the entirety of his administration. Top to bottom. It's run like an organized crime syndicate. They have their hands in everything that government touches and used it for Christie's advancement. It just took people a while to understand it. Some people can spot a pattern quickly and others need to see more before they understand it. The pattern is there. Then there's an element of disbelief. Sometimes when something is so messed up people will say "no, that can't really be happening, nobody would do anything like THAT ". Guess what folks, that somebody is Christie and his merry band of government pirates.
malaise
(269,067 posts)That would be the perfect end.
MyOwnPeace
(16,928 posts)marching off into the evening in an orange jump suit would make a wonderful inspirational pic - a special New Jersey sunset!
malaise
(269,067 posts)Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
BumRushDaShow
(129,143 posts)to run in the NJ gubernatorial election coming up in 2017 (Krispy can't run again). Sad that I have to say "semi" because the state has had a century of political disasters tied to corruption - from the lowest levels all the way up to the top, and it crosses both parties.
Here in Philly, we are the media market for South Jersey, and I really haven't heard much reported (with the coverage of the Presidential election) regarding who in either party is interested in or is planning to run for governor there next year.
Laxman
(2,419 posts)the former Ambassador to Germany will be the next governor. https://www.murphy4nj.com/
BumRushDaShow
(129,143 posts)Spent the past 20 minutes on his website and other sites and given his background, me might be about as good a "compromise" candidate that Democrats can get, given the need for the indie vote.
NJ has a good chunk of bedroom communities for the NYC & Philly business crowds. His potential good points would be (based on similar with Wolf here in PA for the indie vote) -
1.) Business background
2.) Former Ambassador under Obama
3.) Has money (sadly nowadays, you can't run for governor without a personal fortune in some states)
4.) Was heavily involved with Dean and the 50-state strategy & Dean recently endorsed him
5.) Worked for the DNC as a finance director
6.) Irish Catholic - obviously a large demographic (but am not finding his stance on abortion)
7.) Supports MJ legalization
Some downsides would be -
1.) Long time Goldman Sachs employment - the pariah of the Democratic left
2.) Had issues with his ambassadorship in Germany
3.) Not a native Jerseyite
The hope here is that he didn't do something while @ Goldman Sachs that could take him out like what happened with Corzine.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)There is no find and there will be no shenanigans tolerated by those folks over the bridge. There was too much involvement from NYC. They need to butt out.
By Murphy getting traction so early - they can't catch up. Next Spring will be too late to try and get us to do what is best for Manhattan.
BumRushDaShow
(129,143 posts)including the teachers and some Democratic bigwigs.
lindysalsagal
(20,693 posts)I think fRump is actually crapier.
malaise
(269,067 posts)and both are going down. I hope they end up as cell-mates
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)is that no one likes a guy with shit all over his nose.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)NEVER vote for a Republican.