No stamina, I tell you.

She kicks my ass. I was spent just watching the debate.

Reading all the articles about it the next day did me in.

The voices in Alex Jones' head told me so!

And usually the whole family is at the party, abuelos, toddlers, teens. They include everyone.

Heard nada from corporate media about this.

Hillary is amazing.

I can't wait to see the headlines on Nov 9th

He looks haggard, & she looks like a candidate who wants to WIN.

That's hard to believe.

And long past time to correct.

It's all of us, no matter where our parents came from or what language is spoken around the dinner table. We are this amazing blend of influences, tastes and origins, creating an American dream for all of us.

Go Hill!

And this; “Half of undocumented workers in Nevada pay federal income taxes, which means you pay more to support this country than Donald Trump does"

BAM.

*tic tac pussy monster

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I have mixed feelings and thoughts about the Hillary's future with Mexico and its cartels.

Just a few questions, really. Are we sure that Clinton can somehow divert cartel economics, change black market economies toward the betterment of our Mexican and Latino-American immigrant friends? How would we know. From a policy statement after the election?

It's not her I'm worried about as much as I am the friends of her friends. We need support from Latinos, but I feel a caution for her.

Why? First, because of the Spanish comments below Vicente Fernandez' corrido dedicated to "La Hillary."

Second, because we need to pay closer attention to the politics of immigrants now that they are a majority minority of this country; how they view capitalism, democracy and power. Why? Because their history with Norte Americanos is related to that of North American Indians and their common historical relationship to European immigrants wars against them.

I'm not prepared to get into a discussion about Latino politics in the US 'til I've done more reading. I certainly don't in any way mean to derail anything about the OP. Just trying to get a feel for future issues in the meantime...


Edit: My corrida should read corrido. Thanks, bigtree. I changed the spellings.

...a corrida is a bullfight.

The corrido is a popular narrative song and poetry form, a ballad. The songs are often about oppression, history, daily life for peasants, and other socially relevant topics. It is still a popular form today in Mexico and was widely popular during the Nicaraguan Revolutions of the 20th century. The corrido derives largely from the romance...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrido

bull. I figured someone should be on his side.

It's rather a bloody spectacle. It was enormously popular -- like baseball in USA.

suggestion that you self-delete. I assume goodwill and no nefarious intent, but your post comes off like saying that anyone who writes a corrido is a drug dealer.

Would you say the same thing about, say, rappers?

It's a popular form of musical expression and it's not just about "cartels."

Here, have a look:

Mexican government's concerns about narco corridos into consideration. Others on the globe do, as well.

...“Dear brothers, your voice is your vote,” Fernandez says in his new Hillary-themed music video, before breaking into song: “I am Latino to the bone, and very proud of it… And I remind you, brother, that we have to go hand in hand until Hillary Clinton has victory assured.”

on its YouTube post taint them both. The taint is what Hillary has faced throughout this campaign.

I just want her to win.

I like his tribute, and her attention to the Latino vote, but the corridos culture can complicate our understanding of just who she's dealing with. So I'll continue to keep an eye on that.

...said no one ever.

Don't put words in my mouth or try to interpret me to myself. I know the difference between my political views and my concerns, even if you don't care much for them.

My issues are not trifling. This is a crucial historical point surrounded by many possibilities. I'm considering a few of them, not just enjoying a narrative about the first woman president.

Hillary will have to consider trade and immigration assimilation possibilities of her governing, too. We already know the issues. It's new directions of policy she'll have before her. Among the thousands of questions she'll get, people will ask questions about how she deals with dark economies. I won't be the only one. She may or may not choose to give Obama-style answers to them. Which is what I'm counting on.

I defend the right to ponder whether anyone likes it or not.

...you need to do some reading.

Just because some rap songs glorify drugs and pimping, does that mean you put Will Smith and Queen Latifah in that category? You are smearing with a broad brush. You're the one who brought the "NARCO" aspect into this all by yourself. Corridos have existed for centuries without "NARCO" attached to them, and just because some people write them in honor of drug dealers does not mean that is their only purpose--that's 'gringo understanding' and it does not reflect the actual history and purpose of the songs from a larger perspective.

Let me try to help you see my POV with another example. There are many types of rings--wedding rings, engagement rings, promise rings, even purity rings. Your suggestion that HRC's corrido is somehow tainted with "NARCO" is as absurd as saying all rings are SUPERBOWL rings.

You just failed with that post--I suggested you self-delete because someone alerted on your post, and I was on the jury. I voted to hide, btw, because I felt your comments were horribly bigoted and insulting to both Mexican culture and people. I wasn't suggesting you were anti-HRC, either--I thought your view of Mexican culture was suffering from a massive gap in understanding.

I then went looking for the thread, and found you. I don't think you intended to be bigoted, but that's how you came across to me. Thus, my suggestion. Now, if you want to call that "censorship" well, whatever.

Here's what you don't get--Mexicans have never LEFT the "corrido tradition." Just because your POV of corridos, which you misspelled, it should be noted, centers around drugs, that doesn't make it the case for everyone (for the last couple of hundred years). Corridos have survived wars, peace, famine and feast--they will survive the influences of drug dealers, too.

You keep putting a foot wrong with every explanation, you see. And offering up that you have Mexican songs on your iTunes and go to a Mexican restaurant owed by your friends?

smh. Donald Trump ate a taco bowl. Does that make him culturally sensitive?

I just don't know what else to say to you. I'm just astounded.

YouTube version's comments that I'd read. My concern was about the mixed reactions that Mexican commenters had over Fernandez' corrido, and a couple of claims that he'd been pulled out of retirement and paid off by questionable sources. I usually don't care much about video comments, but sometimes folks of other countries point to issues I thought, this time, had ramifications.

I'm aware that the corrido tradition is strong, and that there are official attempts to stop narco corridos' attempts at being part of that 'culture.' Mexicans tell me it's still going strong, though.

You can shake your head all you want about my own corridos enjoyment. What, I can't offer some evidence of my connections to Mexican culture? I do speak Spanish, have friends in Chile, Argentina and Columbia. I'm going to Chile in January.

As you school me on corridos culture, I want to emphasize that you accuse me of total ignorance. A misspelling -- rare for me -- is just that.

Yes, I probably overreacted to the video comments. Yes, they could be construed around here as bigoted. But the context I'm concerned with is Hillary's dealing with the drug world. Two friends from Bógota tell me our military base there regularly flies drugs out. I listen.

Thanks for taking the time to argue an overall, larger point.

My husband I watched and listened together, he in his adequate Spanish and me with my nearly nonexistent Spanish, and we both teared up at what a beautiful and hopeful tribute this is. Si Se Puede -- always.

The story of America is the story (the many stories) of its immigrants and their hopes. If we forget or deny or negate that, we lose something precious and central to our identity.

That was a great story and it completely ignored by the media.

His lecturn all bent forward like an old man, but Hillary was standing straight up owner own power. Then Trump made a beeline for the exit door (probably to go to bed) and Hillary went aand partied some more with her Latino supporters. Now which one has enough stamina to be president?

An off topic comment ....
Trump read his ""jokes" at the dinner like a first grader learning to read! I think he was even pointing. He was dreadful!
He really couldn't handle giving all the speeches a President makes. Thank god we won't have to!

I didn't see a translation of La Corrido for Hillary. So here it is.

I am Latino
Through and through
So proud of that.
And I’ll remind you, my brother,
We need to unite, hand in hand.
Until Hillary Clinton
Is guaranteed a victory.
We are an important family
That always moves forward.
My freedom, my rights
Hillary respects them.
With her as President,
We will always have a bridge.
My people were hurt
By someone who insulted us.
Hillary, we are with you.
You can count on our vote.
You will be our voice
When you become President.

is especially powerful because it shows her warmth.

He still has a great voice. Thank you, Chente. Nice seeing you support Hillary.