There is one and only one person who gets to decide and that is the pregnant woman.

None of my business, or my governments!

together decide the best course of action for each case. The woman decides whether to take a fetus full term, and the physician advises on the best course of action to support the woman's decision.

But it is called an abortion because it will result in the death of the fetus.

It may be that the fetus is killed ahead of time, thus making it different, but I don't know for sure.

much safer.

The procedure that got named "partial birth abortion" (can't think of the medical term) is far safer for the woman than a c-section.

because in truth, only the woman involved can ask and then answer the "right" questions, in concert with her personal physician. My personal opinion is that it is none of my fucking business, and I certainly have no desire to force any medical decision, in any direction, on anybody through government coercion.

The RW "Pro-life"-ers desire is to make it illegal for a woman to even discuss the questions you have brought up. They wish to make all options save live birth unavailable. Anybody who says differently is in denial, at best, and patently evil at worst IMNSHO.

I respect those with religious and personal reasons to oppose abortion procedures for themselves, I reject anybody's supposed right to force their opinions on others, no matter how that opinion is derived.

Assuming a rational woman and an ethical doctor, I trust them to make the correct decision to handle whatever situation may arise concerning her pregnancy.

My daughter and I were discussing this during the debate last week.

A woman possibly already sick from the pregnancy may not be healthy enough for major surgery.
Inducement and labor, same thing. They are hard enough when you're healthy. It's not like there is a one-size fits all answer because there are many life-threatening things that can happen...too many variables.
Women deserve the needed health care to survive with the best health possible.

A number of years ago someone in my family had to make that terrible decision because it was a matter of life and death. She had multiple medical problems and a complicated pregnancy, and her body was failing and her weakened heart couldn't take the stress of supporting two lives. She wanted that child so badly, but it was literally killing her and she couldn't have survived the trauma of anesthesia or a major surgery, or the physical stress of post op and recovery.

It was a tragic decision she made with the advice of her doctors and the support of her family, and no one has any right to interfere in someone else's life.

People really need to hear these stories.

the choice is as you have outlined why do you think that isn't being done? Anyone I have known who was pregnant until the fetus was viable would have done most anything to have that child.
As others have pointed out, a c-section is not a risk free procedure. I would think the decision would be made with the best information from the doctor and not taken lightly.

ever had your mid section sliced open, hip to hip? I have. You seem to flip that choice out like eh no biggie. When the abdominal wall is cut, the uterus is not right there.

There are several layers the surgeon must cut through to reach the uterus, including muscle. The bladder has to be pushed and clamped aside. Sometimes the intestines have to be removed and placed on a tray. The uterus is pulled and lifted up for the surgeon to have a better view for delivery. After all this is over, it feels like it was all just shoved back in there and stapled shut. The general rule is if you have 1 C-section subsequent deliveries should also be C-sections. The more c sections you have the higher the risk of, delivery, future pregnancies and other post natal complications.

All this when there is a MUCH less invasive medical procedure to garner the same result.

Your other suggestions depend on what exactly is wrong with the fetus and mother. There are deformities in the fetus that can make a vaginal delivery highly risky for the woman. Because of the problems with the fetus a woman can also develop health problems and a vaginal delivery would put too much stress on her body. Some women can not emotionally bear going through hours and hours of labor and pushing knowing that the fetus will either be born dead or die within minutes of birth.

These choices do not come cheap. Drs want their fees up front. I can cost easily $10,000 - 25,000 depending on the circumstances. So no, it is not a fly by night choice for a woman to have an abortion at this point in a pregnancy.

For all these reasons and more I say LET THE WOMAN DECIDE WHAT IS BEST FOR HER. TRUST WOMEN.

push the others apart to pull the baby out. (It actually felt like the doctors were jumping up and down on my abdomen when they were forcing the inner layers apart!)

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The short answer to how it is fine is it depends on the health of the participants. If the pregnant woman has a eclampsia, with a sky high blood pressure, inducing will put her life at risk. If the fetus is not viable, will die or is dead, and the woman can tolerate labor, then she might be induced.

I am not sure what why mean though in that the only 2 ways to get something out of the uterus is vaginally or c-section. How else can an abortion be done? Clarify p!ease?

Wow this is not the place to come for someone to ask a question, is it? Being one (apparently of few) who thinks having information is a good thing for its own sake, I'd like to answer your question about there seemingly being only the two methods. There is a third option, but warning it's kinda gross. (So stop reading now if you don't want to risk being grossed out.)

If the fetus is already lifeless inside the womb, the body might expel the remains naturally if everything is working right, but if something goes wrong so that it has not been expelled naturally, it is possible for doctors to reach up with forceps and other implements and -- how can this be phrased least grossly -- disassemble what remains, then remove the disassembled parts. Warned you it was gross. The alternative is letting the mother die from sepsis and such, so sometimes this is the only thing that can be done to save the mother.

Additional even more unpleasant details. There are things that can go wrong with a fetus that don't cause it to die immediately, but that make it impossible to have a normal live birth. The most common one I've read about is that the mostly-developed head malfunctions in such a way that it starts swelling up with water. The head becomes too large for a natural birth to take place. Such a fetus will never develop into a viable human being that can survive, but for a time the fetus might be considered alive in some sense. The mother will die if nothing is done to stop the swelling. You see what the choices are, and that there is really only one reasonable choice. Some people have great difficulty facing reality, unfortunately.

but of course, no ethical doctor would do that unless, like your scenario presents, it is an extreme life threatening situation.

Thankfully, it is rare that it happens.

ask your doctor and see if s/he can clear it up for you.

No one needs to explain anything to you to make you feel better. Bottom line, none of your business.

I have a family member who had a late term abortion and she asked the doctor to perform a csection because she was worried an induced vaginal delivery would cause pain to the catastrophically damaged fetus. The doctor refused and when he explained the fetus would die before the delivery of the contents during abortion she did feel releaved. The fetus was not going to survive and carrying it to full term and having a vaginal delivery would have been cruel beyond words. Carrying it one more day would have been unthinkable.
The fetus was having multiple spontaneous bone fractures in the womb without the pressure of contractions. Late term abortion was heart wrenching but the only choice.

Your family member was a loving mom.

After reading your post, I had to go back and reread your opening sentence. It broke my heart.

Every single pregnancy is unique, and carries with it, its own complications.

What you would need to do, is speak to every woman who has had one. Then speak to their doctors and walk through the entire decision making process based on all of the variables present in each and every one of them.

At the end of the day it is an intimate and difficult decision that is made based on the information available gained by those who have devoted their lives to the health and welfare of all humans, but it is none of our business.

There is some really excellent information to be found.

if the mother and fetus are healthy? As far as I know, nowhere.

My Aunt had an emergency abortion in the 1940's, the one the politicians call "partial birth abortion." Her baby had hydrocephaly (fluid in the skull) and got stuck in the birth canal during delivery. They had to use the trocar to drain the head to save my aunt's life and get the baby out fast. It would not have survived even if it had been detected in advance by ultrasound and a c-section was performed. Profound brain damage.

With ultrasound, situations like this are extremely rare and late term abortion is seldom done. Molly Ivans talked about this way back in the 90's and said there had only been two performed in the State of Texas since the early 70's and the passage of Roe v Wade. The politicians are lying for votes.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/1/23/1342876/-Molly-Ivans-Explains-Late-Term-Abortion-Perfectly

It takes until week 24 to make the fetus viable outside the womb with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of medical heroics. That's 12 weeks of "late term abortion" right there before a fetus has any hope of survival outside the womb.

Most states have restrictions on abortions done after the 24th week. Usually all care is dedicated to keeping a viable fetus alive. However, in some cases, a woman is so ill that she can't survive eithe many hours of labor or major surgery, which is what the C-section you so blithely suggest is. I've seen one such case, myself.

In most cases, unless the fetus is so damaged as to be non viable or already dead, you'll see a premature birth instead of a third trimester abortion. Women don't go into abortion clinics in their ninth month to abort because their due dates conflict with hair appointments, no matter what propaganda to the contrary you have heard,

Late term abortions are already extremely rare and performed only for the most tragic medical reasons. At some point, you have to realize that the medical profession is telling the truth and the antiabortionists are all pathological liars.

You have to remember that any pregnancy that makes it to 9 months is a wanted pregnancy - the woman wanted a baby. She is very likely to try to have a baby after that, and her future pregnancy will be easier if she hasn't just had a C-section too. C-sections are wonderful if you need them, but they are not ideal. They create additional risk and there's no reason to do that.

usually not viable, and does not live long after being delivered by induction or C-section.

They don't do it the way Trump described it.

Why not induce or perform a C-section? Answer: This is what is almost always done once the fetus has reached the point of viability.

Every pregnancy is different and no medical procedure should be banned IMO. Regulated, yes. However, there will be a very rare situation in which that medical procedure is the best course of action in a medial professional's opinion and should not be an option that isn't available to them and their patient.