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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 11:15 PM Jun 2012

Occupy Oakland protests anti-child sex trafficking conference

http://www.sfbg.com/politics/2012/06/16/bringing-heat

On June 13, more than 400 people, mainly from law enforcement and non-profits, gathered for a conference in downtown Oakland’s Marriott Hotel. Outside, a group of angry protesters gave impassioned speeches before trying to enter the hotel. The complex set of issues involved? The conference was organized to discuss tactics for arresting and charging child sex traffickers, but the protesters said that the conference would do nothing but further the state’s harmful impact on the lives of sex workers.


Occupy Oakland has not been shy about calling out police behaviors, from infamous incidents like the tear gas-heavy offensive on the Occupy Oakland camp last fall to shootings of local teenagers. The HEAT Conference, which was organized by the DA’s office and played host to law enforcement from across the country, was no exception.

“Whose inside this conference?” said one demonstrator who spoke during a 20-minute speak-out in front of the hotel that afternoon. “61 official speakers are law enforcement agents, DA workers, or politicians with anti-sex worker reputations. 39 speakers are individuals or representatives of non-profits. The vast majority of these work directly with law enforcement or politicians to criminalize sex workers. Where is the voice of the sex workers?” 

"What we find disturbing as anti-capitalists and anti-authoritarians is these police who, to sex workers, are oppressing us,” Clarissa McFaye, one of the demonstrators, told me in an interview. “We know that police are a very violent, fearsome presence in the lives of all sex workers, and we feel the only way that we can abolish child trafficking and exploitative forms of labor, which is all labor in actuality, is to abolish the police state.”

“They think working to enforce criminalization isn't going to help child victims of sexual slavery. We know they exist, but we don’t feel this is a solution. We don’t think enhancing the ability to arrest people is a solution,” said McFaye.


Happy Days and Jaws come to mind.
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Occupy Oakland protests anti-child sex trafficking conference (Original Post) geek tragedy Jun 2012 OP
More geek tragedy Jun 2012 #1
I applaud your subtlety. TheWraith Jun 2012 #2
Something about this story had to be subtle. geek tragedy Jun 2012 #3
I would agree with that--going after the pimps and traffickers is key. nt msanthrope Jun 2012 #5
I think if you're decriminalizing prostutes, you have to do the same with johns. TheWraith Jun 2012 #10
Not really, if one views prostituted women as the victim geek tragedy Jun 2012 #11
I feel terribly sorry for Clarissa McFaye. nt msanthrope Jun 2012 #4
Yeah, seriously. nt geek tragedy Jun 2012 #6
Nice deliberately misleading subject line. Zorra Jun 2012 #7
Well, "Lively Protest In Oakland Against Pig Conference" was taken.... msanthrope Jun 2012 #8
Do you agree with the protestors? nt geek tragedy Jun 2012 #9
A + B = rhinoceros. Robb Jun 2012 #12
I would have to question the motive of any police agency that has a strong agenda LiberalFighter Jun 2012 #13
Huh? randome Jun 2012 #15
No! I question whether they are responding as a major issue LiberalFighter Jun 2012 #20
You questioned the motives of anyone geek tragedy Jun 2012 #22
So you support legalizing the sex trafficking of children? nt geek tragedy Jun 2012 #16
I said no such thing. See response to other poster. LiberalFighter Jun 2012 #21
What is an anti-capitalist sex worker?... SidDithers Jun 2012 #14
That's actually a good question. Nt Robb Jun 2012 #17
It's a worker who knows firsthand that capitalism considers humans to be a commodity. rug Jun 2012 #26
Occupy knows(n't) how to pick it's issues. nt daaron Jun 2012 #18
One more reason why Democrats need to distance themselves from the Occupy movement Freddie Stubbs Jun 2012 #19
Clearly, no one is running the Occupy movement. This was as bad a PR event for occupiers Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #23
What nonsense ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2012 #24
This is embarrassing. randome Jun 2012 #25
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
1. More
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 11:22 PM
Jun 2012
Nova also described a distinction between the terms “child” and “minor.”

“People have choices in how they use their bodies, and that includes youth. We are living in a world where sometimes people have to choose options that are not ideal,” he said. 

McFaye painted a similar picture, saying that “sex work is a form of work that all genders do sex work can make a lot more money than other options.”

“It allows me to do my political work as well as work a few times a week, instead of working at McDonalds. When I was 17 years old I tried to get a job, couldn’t find anything but shitty house cleaning jobs. Then some sex workers I knew showed me the ropes, and my life’s been a lot better ever since,” she said.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
2. I applaud your subtlety.
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 11:26 PM
Jun 2012

Although I would imagine it's lost on most DUers.

Even though I'm completely in favor of legalizing prostitution, which can only improve the lives and working conditions of prostitutes, protesting an anti-child-sex-trafficking conference is bordering on the ludicrous.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. Something about this story had to be subtle.
Mon Jun 18, 2012, 11:29 PM
Jun 2012

I'm in favor of decriminalizing prostitution as far as the women are concerned--but throw the book at johns and especially pimps.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
10. I think if you're decriminalizing prostutes, you have to do the same with johns.
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 12:34 AM
Jun 2012

To do otherwise is basically the same as saying that it's legal to sell drugs, it's just not legal to use them. European countries have no problem with legalizing the entire act of prostitution, neither has Nevada, but the rest of the country is trapped in traditionalism. Although I have no problem with prosecuting pimps to the full extent of the current laws and then some.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
11. Not really, if one views prostituted women as the victim
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:11 AM
Jun 2012

andvictim and the johns as the exploiter.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
12. A + B = rhinoceros.
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:17 AM
Jun 2012

I'm certain the logic of the protest only escapes me because I just don't get it, and if I have to ask, etc.

LiberalFighter

(50,928 posts)
13. I would have to question the motive of any police agency that has a strong agenda
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:23 AM
Jun 2012

against sex trafficking of any type. Motives? Government funding? Political career?

I trust law enforcement less and less.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
15. Huh?
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:33 AM
Jun 2012

I guess you question the motives of officers who respond to domestic abuse situations. And murders. And rapes.

LiberalFighter

(50,928 posts)
20. No! I question whether they are responding as a major issue
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:58 PM
Jun 2012

or using the issue for personal political gain or to increase their funding without actually doing anything for the purpose.

Just like during the Super Bowl the sex trafficking is not as major as they claimed.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
22. You questioned the motives of anyone
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:42 PM
Jun 2012

in law enforcement that wants to enforce laws against sexually trafficking children.

That is odd.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
23. Clearly, no one is running the Occupy movement. This was as bad a PR event for occupiers
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:45 PM
Jun 2012

that would be possible.

Protesting people who have gathered to discuss how to curb child sex trafficking?

Idiots.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
25. This is embarrassing.
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 08:49 PM
Jun 2012

When Occupy Wall Street (remember that name? It's been a while since we've heard it) began, it stood for highlighting economic disparities.

Then it became about camping out in public parks and taking over public buildings.

Then it became about fighting the police for their first amendment rights to take over parks and buildings.

Finally it became about fighting the police. Period. Now it is about being against law enforcement actions in general.

We can argue all day -and then some- about who is to blame for this state of affairs but the plain FACT of the matter is that OWS is no longer talking about economic disparities. The message is gone.

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