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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,212 posts)
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 02:20 PM Oct 2016

Spooked by Russia, Tiny Estonia Trains a Nation of Insurgents

TURI, Estonia — Her face puffy from lack of sleep, Vivika Barnabas peered down at the springs, rods and other parts of a disassembled assault rifle spread before her.

At last, midway through one of this country’s peculiar, grueling events known as patrol competitions, she had come upon an easy task.

Already, she and her three teammates had put out a fire, ridden a horse, identified medicinal herbs from the forest and played hide-and-seek with gun-wielding “enemies” in the woods at night.

By comparison, this would be easy. She knelt in the crinkling, frost-covered grass of a forest clearing and grabbed at the rifle parts in a flurry of clicks and snaps, soon handing the assembled weapon to a referee.

“We just have to stay alive,” Ms. Barnabas said of the main idea behind the Jarva District Patrol Competition, a 24-hour test of the skills useful for partisans, or insurgents, to fight an occupying army, and an improbably popular form of what is called “military sport” in Estonia.

The competitions, held nearly every weekend, are called war games, but are not intended as fun. The Estonian Defense League, which organizes the events, requires its 25,400 volunteers to turn out occasionally for weekend training sessions that have taken on a serious hue since Russia’s incursions in Ukraine two years ago raised fears of a similar thrust by Moscow into the Baltic States.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/spooked-by-russia-tiny-estonia-trains-a-nation-of-insurgents/ar-AAjDilP?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=edgsp

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Spooked by Russia, Tiny Estonia Trains a Nation of Insurgents (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2016 OP
The RUSSIANS are coming. Wilms Oct 2016 #1
Why do I get the feeling that you're not Estonian? thucythucy Oct 2016 #2
You? Wilms Oct 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author thucythucy Oct 2016 #6
Lemme guess, you don't know any Estonians? geek tragedy Oct 2016 #3
How about current events. Wilms Oct 2016 #7
Current events? Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2016 #10
It's a kin to duck and cover drils. Wilms Oct 2016 #12
Yes, we know. You heart Putin. nt Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2016 #15
ad-hominem... Check Wilms Oct 2016 #19
Putin apologia, check. nt Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2016 #22
How about the Russian invasions of Georgia and Ukraine? nt geek tragedy Oct 2016 #13
Funny how we pick separatist to support or not. Wilms Oct 2016 #16
Russian troops inside another country's borders aren't 'separatists' nt geek tragedy Oct 2016 #17
Not exactly how it started. Wilms Oct 2016 #21
funny how Russia has continued its centuries long habit of sending its troops geek tragedy Oct 2016 #25
I've watched the developments in their border countries in the last 15 years. Wilms Oct 2016 #26
none of the external players want an unpredictable middle east. geek tragedy Oct 2016 #27
Right. I sensed we'd agree on that much. n/t Wilms Oct 2016 #28
Maybe start with the Russian invasion's of Georgia and the Ukraine... EX500rider Oct 2016 #29
As mentioned above, I'm happy with no one or the disputed events. Wilms Oct 2016 #30
The US has no troops fighting in the Ukraine....unlike the Russian's on "vacation" there.. EX500rider Oct 2016 #31
No. But we have Nuland/Kagen, and USAID, and Chevron. Wilms Oct 2016 #32
USAID? EX500rider Oct 2016 #33
Not common knowledge I guess. Wilms Oct 2016 #34
for more than 40 years Estonia was part and parcel of the Soviet Union LanternWaste Oct 2016 #5
To me, the current context is the US/NATO. Wilms Oct 2016 #9
Yes we know the US is the source MicaelS Oct 2016 #24
Like clockwork. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2016 #8
Like clockwork, The good Dr. has me diagnosed. Wilms Oct 2016 #11
Highly unlikely. Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2016 #14
I'm not the best "team player", I guess. Wilms Oct 2016 #18
Critical thinking... Dr Hobbitstein Oct 2016 #20
I'll think about that and get back to you. n/t Wilms Oct 2016 #23

thucythucy

(8,086 posts)
2. Why do I get the feeling that you're not Estonian?
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 04:45 PM
Oct 2016

Pretty easy to mock someone's fear when you aren't in the same vulnerable position.

Response to Wilms (Reply #4)

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
3. Lemme guess, you don't know any Estonians?
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 04:46 PM
Oct 2016

And let me further guess, you have zero knowledge about the history of Estonia?

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
12. It's a kin to duck and cover drils.
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 05:04 PM
Oct 2016

It's the government sponsoring these activities. The citizens, including the teen-aged girl doing flash-card drills of Russian equipment, is being volunteered.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
25. funny how Russia has continued its centuries long habit of sending its troops
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 05:20 PM
Oct 2016

into its neighbors' territory without permission.

Just like Latin American countries are resentful of US intervention, former Soviet 'Republics' have every reason to fear and resent Russia's regional bullying.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
26. I've watched the developments in their border countries in the last 15 years.
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 05:56 PM
Oct 2016

Tearing up the Middle East isn't necessarily in Russia's interest. I mean, whose interest is that REALLY in?

And I keep all that all in mind.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
27. none of the external players want an unpredictable middle east.
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 05:57 PM
Oct 2016

much more to be lost than gained that way

Middle East is basically one giant shitshow.

EX500rider

(10,866 posts)
29. Maybe start with the Russian invasion's of Georgia and the Ukraine...
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 06:07 PM
Oct 2016

....or their treatment of Chechnya:

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
30. As mentioned above, I'm happy with no one or the disputed events.
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 06:10 PM
Oct 2016

And I am even less happy with our meddling in Ukraine. "F%k the EU" Nuland/Kagan are two names to consider. But not here. Not anymore.

EX500rider

(10,866 posts)
31. The US has no troops fighting in the Ukraine....unlike the Russian's on "vacation" there..
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 06:24 PM
Oct 2016

Easy to see why Russia's small neighbors are worried.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
32. No. But we have Nuland/Kagen, and USAID, and Chevron.
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 06:43 PM
Oct 2016

And we back politician's of dubious intent, but who are otherwise in agreement with our major interests. Anything about that sound familiar?

EX500rider

(10,866 posts)
33. USAID?
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 06:48 PM
Oct 2016
Since 1992, the government has spent about $5.1 billion to support democracy-building programs in Ukraine, Thompson said, with money flowing mostly from the Department of State via U.S. Agency for International Development, as well as the departments of Defense, Energy, Agriculture and others. The United States does this with hundreds of other countries.

About $2.4 billion went to programs promoting peace and security, which could include military assistance, border security, human trafficking issues, international narcotics abatement and law enforcement interdiction, Thompson said. More money went to categories with the objectives of "governing justly and democratically" ($800 million), "investing in people" ($400 million), economic growth ($1.1 billion), and humanitarian assistance ($300 million)

The United States also spent about $20 million on Peace Corps programs in Ukraine over the past four years. It spent about $40 million through U.S. AID on health programs in the countries since 2010 -- fighting HIV/AIDs, malaria and providing for maternal and child health. The United States spent an additional $80 million or so working on projects related to weapons of mass destruction.


The HORROR!! Fighting AID's, malaria and WMD's....


http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/mar/19/facebook-posts/united-states-spent-5-billion-ukraine-anti-governm/
 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
34. Not common knowledge I guess.
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 07:26 PM
Oct 2016

Even their wiki page mentions their "close relationship" with the cia.

US campaign behind the turmoil in Kiev
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/nov/26/ukraine.usa

US secretly created 'Cuban Twitter' to stir unrest
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/us-secretly-created-cuban-twitter-stir-unrest

‘Cuban Twitter’ and Other Times USAID Pretended To Be an Intelligence Agency
http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/04/03/cuban-twitter-and-other-times-usaid-pretended-to-be-an-intelligence-agency/
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
5. for more than 40 years Estonia was part and parcel of the Soviet Union
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 04:51 PM
Oct 2016

Oddly enough, for more than 40 years Estonia was part and parcel of the Soviet Union. I advertise that obvious and well-known bit of history to you because you seem completely unaware of it, and the context it places onto current Estonian reactions to Moscow in your rush to trivialize and minimize them for a Halloween giggle and a narrative.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
9. To me, the current context is the US/NATO.
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 04:59 PM
Oct 2016

And we'll add OUR doings in Ukraine. That, I believe, is what stirs the pot right now.

I'm saying, let's not exploit the bad blood. No. The US would never do such a thing.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
24. Yes we know the US is the source
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 05:18 PM
Oct 2016

Of all the evil in the world. The peace loving Russians would never do anything wrong.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
11. Like clockwork, The good Dr. has me diagnosed.
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 05:01 PM
Oct 2016

Any chance I might merely be an anti-cold warrior with a view that says they're blowing smoke and the group falling for it surprises me? Any chance, Doc??

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
14. Highly unlikely.
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 05:06 PM
Oct 2016

You really love to shit on threads critical of Russia. And threads critical of Assange. Hell, you've even tried to say that the latest email nothingburger is an issue. It's become so obvious that MANY DUers call you out every time.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
18. I'm not the best "team player", I guess.
Mon Oct 31, 2016, 05:13 PM
Oct 2016

We used to do a lot of separating wheat from chafe on DU. I recognize that's a lot easier when the opposition was in power. But critical thinking is gone.

"NothingBurger" sounds soooo hip. But if it's no big deal, why are there a million threads opining on it? In the same breath we'll hear that there's "nothing there" and that Comey can't know what is there because it was his agents, not himself, who looked at it.

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