I don't, by the way, own a gun or drive a pickup. I have never owned a gun, and I never want to do so.

I never bought into trickle down.

I wouldn't be so quick to generalize about "white men."

I'm a white male too. I'm a Telecom worker so I travel a lot. Have plenty of conversations with white dudes at the hotel, job site, etc. And, I gotta tell ya, I am quick to generalize about white men. Based on my experience, a whole lot of us are fucking idiots. Sure, there are a lot of you's and me's. But, in our demographic, you n I are a minority.

Pretty much all of the white men I know are fairly civilized and cultured.

I have known some asses of course, but I wouldn't characterize them as a majority.

I'm a blue collar guy. If I step out for a smoke at the hotel, conversation with another blue collar guy. Job site same thing. Truck drivers at rest stops, etc., etc. Just look at Trumps numbers for white support. Sure, she's got college educated males by a few points. But a little college or none? Off the chart brother, off the chart. That's why I said you and I are in the minority for our demographic. A relatively large minority, but a minority nonetheless. The polls prove it.

anti-union, hurt-by-trickle-down-but-don't-know-it, Trump supporters. Bet you're both on the same page on most issues.

I do some property manangement and run into a lot of white guys who I call in to do repairs and maintenance and many of them try to strike up a conversation with me about how Trump is going to change things. I'm African-American and I, as most of do on this site, know the reality that most white guys are Republicans. It just how it is. I don't engage in conversations about Trump as I consider my dealings with them as being about business and I want a good job done. Letting my feelings known about Trump might compromise that.

And these are people in the trades who would benefit from strong unions, even though, as independent contractors, may no longer be part of or eligible to belong to a union. Their pay rates would however, be influenced by the upward pressure on wages that strong unions bring.

24/7 winger talk radio and FOX news has, as noted many times on this site and elsewhere, turned many of these guys, perhaps unwittingly, into rooters against their own self-interest.

Too bad many fall for the right wing, wedge-issue, divisive politics of the repugs when they should be on the other side with us.

He drives a pickup and owns a gun. No one has worked harder for Hillary.

It's a label, a club, a tribe. Since the voting right act and civil rights act, the GOP has become the party of white people. Period. White priveledge has given them the "priveledge" of not having to be informed. Add in a healthy dose of propaganda, ala fox news and a.m. radio, and you have a whole lotta white folks voting against themselves.

They're the majority of the people who held the good factory jobs supported by the good office jobs. Factories left and mergers decreased the number of good office jobs as the corollary to "greed is good" was "leaner and meaner management."

Wages for white males have taken the biggest hit, mostly because everybody else was already working for depressed wages, kept low by "last hired, first fired/laid off" and mommy tracking most women into dead end work with low wages.

I understand the rage that most of them feel. I don't understand how they can be such suckers for the party that did most of it to them.

Until it dawns on them just who has been fucking them over--and it's not POC or women fighting over crumbs--I'm afraid they're going to continue to be suckered by demagogues who encourage them to hate everybody but other white males.

Guys at DU have figured it out, it's why they're here. Unfortunately, the vast majority of their brothers are still stumbling around in the dark, being fed a steady diet of total bullshit and it's tearing this country apart.

I can't hate the angry white men, they've got damned good reasons to be angry. I hate the crooks who are leading them around with propaganda parading as news.

I think you meant to say uneducated people... period. Not white males.. Not white uneducated.. Just uneducated. And it's solely based on preying upon their weakness.

a majority of white men. Most of those men are not the corporate honchos who have exported hundreds of thousands of good jobs, they are the guys whose jobs have been exported.

They're angry and should be angry that the jobs their fathers and grandfathers had are gone and most likely not coming back, they're just angry at the wrong people — African-Americans, Latino-Americans, Muslims, gays, women — their own basket of deplorables.

aren't coming back, no matter who is elected.

The factories may come back (that depends on EPA and regulations and such) but the jobs won't... doesn't matter about trade deals.

The reason is that automation is finally completely here, and cheaper than the least expensive worker.

So if you want jobs in the coming decades... better find something creative to do.

I didn't finish high school until I was 28, I am a lowly house carpenter. I own a pickup and I shoot guns.

I got my white ass beat in a Waffle House while campaigning for Jimmy Carter in August 1976. Twice I have doubled my work load to support my family when my wife's union locked her out for several months. I worked on both Clintons' along with Kerry and Obama's campaigns. plus numerous campaigns for state and local Democrats over the past 40 years.

While I get your over-all point, Your generalization of people like me IMO makes you as ignorant as the dumb-asses that believe Trump is the answer to all of their problems.

I am up at 2:45 am to prepare for working at my local polling precinct today.

Have a nice day!

The Obama coalition has always included progressive whites as a component but it was always felt that only 35% at most of white males leaned left.

What's your take on it?

My Grandpa's first vote was for FDR, my dad's was for for McGovern. I don't get how any working class person could vote for the GOP.