...at so many of the things done by those who claim to believe in his teachings.

He was never a "Christian." I'm not sure he would be happy with the Christians using the old covenant to punish those they hate.

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It's still in the works, but suffice it to say, they took the abolitionist argument and countered it with a perversion of God's white superiority over other races and fused with with what is known as Southern paternalism. They enlisted clergy to argue this from a religious standpoint, because past justifications were being met with religious scrutiny. These distortions were pushed by the various Protestant churches to justify slavery, as some means to take slaves away from unbelieving traders and place them into an environment where they might embrace Christianity. Since one's self is not able to be taken, they claimed it was only labor that was being used. When the slaves died, they would then be afforded a Christian afterlife, where they would not have had one before. This helped to justify the psychological splitting of the self, so the slaveholders and non-slaveholders could come to terms with that institution and still see themselves compliant to Christianity.


It's still work in progress, as I have only performed the base and cursory secondary source readings to compile the annotated bibliography.


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One of them a couple of times, both supported by the religious right.

Seems kind of odd.

I know Trump has been divorced, but who is the other divorced president?

He was married to Jane Wyman from 1940-1949. According to Wikipedia, they divorced because of his allegiance to the democrats (paraphrase).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Wyman

...7 months after they married.

These are terms of convenience that the right abandoned to support Trump.

they co-opted them for their own use.

...cheering every move Russia made in Syria, and applauding Trump's scathing criticism of the entire military was a change in attitude. They didn't give a shit, and they will undoubtedly try to recapture that ground. But, I will not let them forget those moments.

... suites and they say "that was 30 years ago" as if that makes a difference.

This guy could care less about the bible

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with the wackadoodle Muslims and ISIS. Very scary folks. I know them well because my Dad's family are all Evangelicals and gun nuts.

Your Dad's group is one example. But it doesn't own or define who the Evangelicals are.

"Evangelical" refers to a theology. How a group expresses that theology varies.

Regarding the Evangelical Left:


Typically, members of the evangelical left affirm the primary tenets of evangelical theology, such as the doctrines of the Incarnation, atonement, and resurrection, and also see the Bible as a primary authority for the Church. Unlike many evangelicals, however, those on the evangelical left support what are often considered progressive or left wing political policies. They are often, for example, opposed to capital punishment and supportive of gun control and welfare programs. In many cases, they are also pacifists. Theologically they also often support and utilize modern biblical criticism, whereas more conservative evangelicals reject it.

While members of the evangelical left chiefly reside in mainline denominations, they are often heavily influenced by the Anabaptist social tradition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelical_left

My congregation is an RIC (Reconciled In Christ) ELCA Lutheran congregation with a rainbow flag by the front steps. We are probably the most lefty church in the county and for sure the leftiest in our Foothills Conference (ELCA). We are growing in membership where the other churches are in decline. We went through a series of schisms dealing with the GLBT issue and now, we have lost all the Conservatives. We serve our community. Going through the cash that someone gave us 10 years ago by feeding the hungry and clothing the naked. When it is gone, it is gone. A church is not a building, it is the people. A YUGE factor of our congregation is the definition of Grace: G-d's undeserved love for all. NO EXCEPTIONS. We do not believe in a retributive G-d, but a cooperative G-d. We celebrate Ramadan with our Muslim neighbors. I am the gay deacon who at times leads the service. While most of us supported Bernie, we had no problem getting behind Hillary. Far better than the Cowardly Lying Orange Cokehead Caligula. Who is greed-driven, which last I checked, is a Deadly Sin.

Part of being traditionally evangelical is the active encouragement for others to convert to Christianity, to evangelize, hence the name. It is the actions of those who are eager to convert others and to not respect the beliefs of others that seem hypocritical, especially concerning tRumps personality.

http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2015/november/what-is-evangelical-new-definition-nae-lifeway-research.html

and with Evangelical "Christians" and it's been my experience that they are the last "Christian" people on earth. And if those "Evangelical" groups referred to are not out trying to bring people to Christ, they are not actually Evangelicals.

you know the "Christian" Right has gone too far.

It has nothing to do with Scotsmen, either.

-Max Lucado is a pastor in Texas who writes inspirational Christian books which are very popular. He keeps his politics out of it. Except when he denounced Trump.

Just heard 2 Bits say "rebuild the military" Fucking A, did somebody tear IT down when I was sleeping?

That "white" would be non-Hispanic, Anglo Saxon white.

It's a right wing dog whistle to racists, xenophobes and bigots.

As for the military, the USA has the biggest military budget in the world. The military contractors just want more profits.

The religious right today are like the religious right in Jesus day. Liars and hypocrites.

"Whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean." See Matthew 23:27


If Jesus himself walked the streets of America today and preached the gospel there is no doubt that the religious right would crucify him just as their forefathers did the first time.

There is no prosperity gospel in the bible or 7 mountain dominunism either or mega church entertainment centers/book stores/movie/music malls.

Jesus would clean them all out with a whip IMO.

They have totally exposed themselves by backing a lowlife POS like Trump.

No turning back for them now. Trump's fate and theirs are tied together for all time.

... as being clearly a heretical offshoot of Christianity. But I've come late to the understanding that in this secular age many (most?) people don't understand Christianity well enough to dismiss the Trump-type evangelicals as not Christian at all.

Let me join the OP. People who espouse misogyny, homo-phobia, racism, etc. are NOT espousing Christianity. Fifty years ago it would have been so obvious it wouldn't have to be said.

they used Christianity to support slavery many years ago. It hasn't improved much for the Good Ole Boy segment of southern society. In all fairness, it wasn't only in the deep south, but it was kind of concentrated there in those "good old days" of 50 years ago.

These folks must be so distressed at the co-opting of the theological term "evangelical."

https://sojo.net/

HA!

There was a great Bill Maher new rule a couple of weeks ago that talked about this:

"He's the devil..."pleased to meet you, hope you guessed my name" at 3:36

And they were all outraged at Bill Clinton, he looks like a Sunday school teacher compared to Trump!

The republicans *HATED* Clinton for that whole Monica Lewinsky thing (and they still hate him for it). And then Donald Trump walked into a women's changing room, bragged about it like it's nothing he hasn't seen before, and republicans don't give a shit! If only we could their leaders to the same ridiculous double standard they hold ours too, Hillary Clinton would be inaugurated on January 20th, not Trump.

... who think it's normal.

The only New Testament person who lusted for his daughter was King Herod. He was the one who beheaded John the Baptist.

Serious Quislings, they ended up utter failures, as the Romans could never get the jews to submit to them as a messiah/demigods. They even resorted to scurrying off pregnant Herodian queens to give birth to their children in Rome itself, in attempts to "deify" the offspring.

sorry, I am history geek girl

The panel had some great discussion.

Frum got more or less taken to the woodshed.

I am too!

If he isn't THE antichrist he is definitely an antichrist and has been all his life as far as I can see.

1 John 2:18-19

can no longer truly claim the title of Christian.

They can be Lutherans/Catholics/Baptists/Adventists/Mormons or whatever, but they are definitely not followers of Christ.

My husband plans to tell his siblings that at Thanksgiving. Should be interesting.

Sadly many of my blood relatives voted for that beast as well.

... they haven't started murdering people en masse. They haven't had the power....

I'm speaking as a Christian believer, no more a Jihadist than most Muslim believers.

Christians do have a history that has nothing to do with the teachings of Christ. The 'with us or against' us attitude is a prelude.

Even though I am not a religious person, I do try to live by the words attributed to Christ's teachings. Christianists seem to treat those teachings as inconvenient and easily ignored.

There are a couple in my extended family. It's to the point, when they start spewing their dishonest, bigoted hateful bullshit, that I explain to them the following:

1. I don't go to church.
2. I don't belong to an organized religion.
3. I don't give one damn dime to any religion or preacher.
4. I don't talk about the "lessons of the Bible."

Yet I do:

1. Give money to the poor.
2. Donate time to the homeless.
3. Have a long history of rescuing animals - we have a rescue dog right now.
4. Volunteer coaching kids soccer and other things.

So I tell them that they need to STFU since I live a whole lot more like Jesus than any of them. I also don't hate:

1. Brown people
2. Poor people
3. People who aren't American
4. Gay folks
5. Women

Or basically anyone not exactly like them. And neither did Jesus.

That always shuts them the fuck up. I'm beyond tired of them, and Maher had it exactly right - a whole lot of these people have no freaking principles or beliefs whatsoever - they just use "Jesus" as an excuse to act like horrible people Monday-Saturday, go to church on Sunday and proclaim themselves cleanses of sin. Fuck off.

They act like shit heads, but they think that's OK because Jesus will forgive them. They all missed the point completely.

Gives authority and cover to a whole host of ugliness, bigotry, misogyny and non-critical thinking.

I'll exclude Buddhists.

There's nothing that religion provides which could not be supplied by the secular, including social contact.

The sooner we get rid of magical thinking the sooner we all embrace reality and the methods used to determine it.

My folks never took me to church, but I did voluntarily go with some of my childhood friends on occasion. I wasn't seeking a faith to call my own, I just enjoyed my friends enough to want to hang with them while they did their thing. Eventually, I started to think how odd it was that these different denominations all claimed Jesus and the good book were THEIRS and no one else's. Fortunately, none of them got pass my budding sense of reality. Respect and common sense is all that the world needs to live in harmony. If only those thumpers could READ their "favorite book" with un-tinted glasses.

It all comes down to Separation of Church and State. The government should not be funding religion period. Many immigrants came to the United States to flee persecution from a dominant religion. The fact that we valued the Freedom of Religion and from it is key.

It seems like lately we are being pushed toward a dominant Christian Conservative perspective above all else and that seems to be chipping away from the Separation of Church and State. I agree with your right to be anti religion. However, in the history of Civil Rights, religion played a key role. One example would be the Quaker meeting houses two hundred years ago who invited speakers like Frederick Douglas, Lucretia Mott, Susan B Anthony etc to their meetings. This spurred on their involvement in the Underground Railroad movement, the Woman's Right's movement and unfortunately the WTC. Fast forward to Rev. Martin Luther King and the churches that promoted Civil Rights that became a movement.

I think if religions supporting Civil Rights banded together no matter the religion or non religion they could be a powerful force for change once again. I may be naive, but it might be a way to effect positive change. It's all about coming together and not being divided.

even as a child. They think they are morally superior to everyone else, yet a lot of them seem to lack basic empathy for other human beings. I really bothers me that the Republicans think they are they party that represents freedom when they are the ones who want the government to tell us how we can live our lives. Republicans seem to think freedom means not paying taxes and small, weak government. The problem with the weak government is it is not empowered to protect and support its people. If we don't have those government protections, then we lose our freedom to thugs and bullies.

but they don't make a lot of noise about their beliefs.

I've witnessed them vote in candidate after candidate who in no way represents the Christian faith, all because they had an R behind their name and their church told them it's their duty because of abortion, and gays.

I'm not talking borderline candidates, I'm talking politicians who steal, are under indictment, have repeatedly been caught cheating on their spouses and who openly say racist, bigoted and misogynistic slurs. They will always turn a blindeye to the failings of the Republican and hyper focus on the how the Democrat isn't moral due to abortion and gay rights.

I want to thank you for saying this here today. We need to denounce the fake Christians and their leaders loudly and often.

Then - shockingly - gets taken down in a sex scandal! Why am I not surprised?

And yeah the sad thing is the right is where all the corruption lies - the stealing, lying, cheating, sex scandals... yet they have the balls for passing their corruption onto us. But a lot of that all goes back to the Southern Strategy. It has failed us. For 40 years these assholes have had a strangelhold on our government and done absolutely nothing except screw us over. Donald Trump is just anotehr building block in that strategy. We need a new strategy. One that favors democratic and progressive candidates with laws that benefit the middle and working class and not the wealthy elites. One day all these assholes will get caught. Then we will be free.

But they look at everyone who does not think like them not a christian. I call them churchers. On the whole they supported Trump. They need to own up to what they have done. There may have been a few that did not support Trump I have not ran across any.

As in Who Would Jesus Grope?

damn, that stings. Same logic for fake-evangelicals as applies to people who enable racists. They need to own their vile behavior.

name that does not sound harsh like fundamentalist does.

I don't really want to get into a long dissertation here, so I won't.

But I came to realize that the Religious Right is nothing more than a wing of the Republican party that needs to justify its actions to appease the Bible. What they say and do is meaningless to anyone else.

Take it back to where Jesus was white and his chosen people were only white Americans.

My eyes have been opened wide by this election.

My own family has essentially disowned me because I'm twice-divorced and moved away from the homestead. Before that, I was subject to emotional abuse, mostly by my parents running me down (I was sensitive and bookish.) constantly. I never could do anything right, always had my nose in a book, was lazy, my grades were never good enough, I was oversensitive, etc.

My whole life has consisted of me obsessing over myself, wondering what I could do to make them love me.

They use Christianity as a weapon and have used it against me time and again.

Then they all voted for Trump. Ha ha! Between that and my excellent therapist, I have learned something very important:

They're just assholes.

however, now, some evangelicals say that is not true. so did they or didn't they? Are they now denying it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/11/09/exit-polls-show-white-evangelicals-voted-overwhelmingly-for-donald-trump/

Gave me half a laugh. They are few and far between right now. So true.

It will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.

Jesus and quotes the Bible. They get played by the Ted Cruz's of the world and almost believed Trump was one of them. In the end it didn't matter because they have been taught that Democrats are Satan's minions so they voted for the orange con man..