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Archae

(46,327 posts)
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:45 PM Jun 2012

Just an honest question here about porn...

What IS porn, and what is not?

And who decides if it is or isn't?

There are groups that want to ban the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Edition, calling it "porn."

And besides, I just recently read an article about the porn studios, they are actually hurting, to the point some have closed.
Not from moralists, from the simple fact people are making their own.

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Just an honest question here about porn... (Original Post) Archae Jun 2012 OP
Erotica is what I enjoy zappaman Jun 2012 #1
What I am hearing you say is, why would anyone possibly think porn is misogynistic or object to it? LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #2
Gads, even those descriptions, which I take to be somewhat sanitized hifiguy Jun 2012 #7
But can you understand how a woman might feel really threatened by LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #15
That is not normal obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #20
If a male of any age tries to force something on an unwilling hifiguy Jun 2012 #30
You would be amazed at how easy it is for a man to overwhelm a woman physically LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #32
I do not know of ANY man unreadierLizard Jun 2012 #43
Okay, regular porn doesn't bug me, sick fuck porn does bug me. The OP asked, so I told him LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #44
Kiddy porn, rape and snuff (murder) are all illegal ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2012 #11
Two good points obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #21
I have read kiddy porn is the fastest growing segment of porn on the internet. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #22
Having sex or taking sexually suggestive pictures.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2012 #25
I agree with you. And what I have been trying to say here is that it is very upsetting for me LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #28
But you realize there is no "kiddie porn industry" right? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2012 #31
Yes, I do realize that. It's not legal (yet) thank goodness. LiberalLoner Jun 2012 #34
It will never be legal. Hugabear Jun 2012 #36
Why would you think it would EVER be legal? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2012 #39
I am certainly not saying this stuff is not out there hifiguy Jun 2012 #33
"snuff films" zappaman Jun 2012 #13
Except that Canada is searching for a murderer FSogol Jun 2012 #17
Well, there was the one cloudbase Jun 2012 #19
Lol! whatchamacallit Jun 2012 #29
Ive always wondered how porn is legal yet prostitution isn't... DLine Jun 2012 #3
Then there's food porn to consider. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #4
I find guitar porn has the greatest effect on me. hifiguy Jun 2012 #8
I've got my father's '74 Giannini craviola. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #40
"I don't know what it is, but I know it when I see it." - Justice Potter Stewart WilliamPitt Jun 2012 #5
Porn is in the eye of the beholder.. cynatnite Jun 2012 #6
I want to ban the swimsuit edition for sucking horribly TBMASE Jun 2012 #9
Okay, to start, this would be classified as soft porn snooper2 Jun 2012 #10
And here are some clips for some more hard core porn snooper2 Jun 2012 #12
Sock Puppet Porn HarveyDarkey Jun 2012 #16
The court rulings are that it is whatever a community says it is obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #14
don't forget furry porn snooper2 Jun 2012 #18
Please don;t do this to me obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #23
If you're trying to be "funny," you failed. Archae Jun 2012 #24
the better youtube link doesn't allow embedding LOL snooper2 Jun 2012 #27
Furverts are a different subspecies. hifiguy Jun 2012 #35
In actuality, Doug Winger's stuff is mild in comparison, with the really screwy stuff nowadays. Archae Jun 2012 #41
In the immortal words of Jed Clampett, hifiguy Jun 2012 #42
Porn, I think, is anything someone doesn't like Taverner Jun 2012 #26
A lot of the hostility to sexuality in general comes from religion. hifiguy Jun 2012 #38
"Fundamentalist religion of any kind is the shortest path to involuntary mental illness." Taverner Jun 2012 #45
Porn is the pejoritive for erotica that some people find offensive. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #37

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
1. Erotica is what I enjoy
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:48 PM
Jun 2012

Porn is what you enjoy, ya sick bastid you!

Seriously, the industry is hurting. Much like the music industry, there is so much free stuff out there that people see no reason to pay for it.
I know more than a few in the adult industry and they are trying everything they can to stay afloat.
And, by the way, this is also happening in the mainstream film industry.
Suffice it to say, the internet has changed these businesses forever and they will all have to adapt or vanish.

LiberalLoner

(9,761 posts)
2. What I am hearing you say is, why would anyone possibly think porn is misogynistic or object to it?
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:50 PM
Jun 2012

Here are things I find misogynistic and upsetting:

films about gang-banging the urethra and the advertising saying the actress will have to wear diapers for life now.

films about double or triple anal that advertise the actress will have to have a colostomy bag.

kiddy porn.

rape porn.

snuff films.

films that show men choking and hitting women with some force, while calling her "bitch" and "slut." Films that show men choking women with their dicks until vomiting ensues.

I do not find those films loving and respectful of women.

You don't have to agree, that's just my point of view.



 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
7. Gads, even those descriptions, which I take to be somewhat sanitized
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:01 PM
Jun 2012

are disgusting and I am as absolutist a defender of the First Amendment as walks the Earth. I grew up with Playboy back in the 1970s - and Playboy has never been porn - and view porn fairly regularly - one on one M/F no BDSM, no group stuff, no violence or anything that could remotely be called violence. I don't find those things arousing in the least. I do not like and would never consider looking at anything like that. But the human race is a broad, weird stew of fetishes, kinks and strangeness and whatever consenting adults want to do/film/watch is none of my business whatsoever.

LiberalLoner

(9,761 posts)
15. But can you understand how a woman might feel really threatened by
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:12 PM
Jun 2012

porn like that? Or a young girl feel really horrified by a boyfriend pressuring her into those acts? Or forcing her physically into those acts?

obamanut2012

(26,076 posts)
20. That is not normal
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:24 PM
Jun 2012

Neither that type of porn, which is certainly not mainstream porn, nor that behavior in a relationship. Anyone who tries to force their partner into unwanted and harmful sex is an abuser. Porn does not make people into an abuser.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
30. If a male of any age tries to force something on an unwilling
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:45 PM
Jun 2012

female partner, a good hard shot in the nuts should readjust his attitude pronto.

LiberalLoner

(9,761 posts)
32. You would be amazed at how easy it is for a man to overwhelm a woman physically
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:46 PM
Jun 2012

I found that out when I was raped by a fellow soldier.

It was a terrible feeling to not be able to do anything. You always think you can just knee them in the nuts but...in reality....not so much.

 

unreadierLizard

(475 posts)
43. I do not know of ANY man
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:46 PM
Jun 2012

who watches porn in my fairly large social circle who has EVER tried to do double anals or choking scenes with their girlfriends.

There's porn, and then there's sick fuck porn.

LiberalLoner

(9,761 posts)
44. Okay, regular porn doesn't bug me, sick fuck porn does bug me. The OP asked, so I told him
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:57 PM
Jun 2012

what I thought was porn. Just my opinion.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
11. Kiddy porn, rape and snuff (murder) are all illegal
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:05 PM
Jun 2012

Just a point, in case lest anyone think this is actually being marketed somewhere by the porn industry and they are allowed to get away with it.

By the way.....what you think about a film where the woman slaps the guy around and tells him he better do this or that right or he's going to get his ass kicked? Because there's plenty of that out there, and not just in the S&M genre but what is now considered "mainstream".

LiberalLoner

(9,761 posts)
22. I have read kiddy porn is the fastest growing segment of porn on the internet.
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:27 PM
Jun 2012

Have a friend whose husband worked in IT in Afghanistan, this was way back at the beginning of the war. Said he spent all his time erasing hard drives on computers before they were sent home because of all the kiddy porn.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
25. Having sex or taking sexually suggestive pictures....
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:34 PM
Jun 2012

...of an underage person is illegal. They cannot consent to anything. The people who possessed it should be investigated and charged, and anyone selling it should be as well.

LiberalLoner

(9,761 posts)
28. I agree with you. And what I have been trying to say here is that it is very upsetting for me
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:38 PM
Jun 2012

to know about things like these. THAT kind of crap is what upsets me about porn, not the stuff that most consider mainstream.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
31. But you realize there is no "kiddie porn industry" right?
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:45 PM
Jun 2012

It's engaged in by criminals who need to keep their activity as quiet as possible.

Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
36. It will never be legal.
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:51 PM
Jun 2012

Not sure why the "yet" was necessary - I cannot foresee ANY realistic scenario that would make kiddie porn legal in the US.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
39. Why would you think it would EVER be legal?
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:56 PM
Jun 2012

Do you think the age of consent will be abolished at some point?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
33. I am certainly not saying this stuff is not out there
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:48 PM
Jun 2012

but the commercial porn business wants absolutely no part of it whatsoever for obvious reasons.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
13. "snuff films"
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:08 PM
Jun 2012

Ever see one?
Ever seen one for sale?
Know anyone who has seen one?
Know anyone who knows someone who knows someone who knows someone who has seen one?

A snuff film is a motion picture genre that depicts the actual murder of a person or people, without the aid of special effects, for the express purpose of distribution and entertainment or financial exploitation.[1] The existence of for-profit snuff films is generally considered an urban legend. Some filmed records of executions and murders exist but have not been made or released for commercial purposes.[2]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snuff_film

or here....
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/snuff.asp

cloudbase

(5,514 posts)
19. Well, there was the one
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:23 PM
Jun 2012

with Sarah Palin flapping her gums while some guy snuffed a turkey in the background.

DLine

(397 posts)
3. Ive always wondered how porn is legal yet prostitution isn't...
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:51 PM
Jun 2012

They are both paying money for sex. Would picking up a prostitute and paying for sex be legal if I was video taping it?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
8. I find guitar porn has the greatest effect on me.
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:03 PM
Jun 2012

I want Alembic bass guitars just like Stanley Clarke's two basses and I think about them constantly.

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
5. "I don't know what it is, but I know it when I see it." - Justice Potter Stewart
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:53 PM
Jun 2012

I know what it is.

It's the stuff that costs $13.99 on pay-per-view.

Just sayin'.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
6. Porn is in the eye of the beholder..
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 02:59 PM
Jun 2012

Then there is soft porn, hardcore porn. These days porn will have a descriptive put ahead of it such as gore, BDSM, or whatever to give it a more definitive description.

People have their own ideas and descriptions of porn that it's difficult to nail down.

I've been fairly torn about the subject because it does have a history of exploitation, abuse and other distasteful ways women are treated.

But there is a portion of the industry that is ran by women. They direct and produce their own movies. They write their own pornography and photograph as well. Women have taken hold of their sexuality and used it as they see fit rather than letting others use them.

This is a sense of empowerment where we have control over our sexuality.

 

TBMASE

(769 posts)
9. I want to ban the swimsuit edition for sucking horribly
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:03 PM
Jun 2012

it's become as irrelevant as Playboy, Penthouse and PeepShows

obamanut2012

(26,076 posts)
14. The court rulings are that it is whatever a community says it is
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:08 PM
Jun 2012

Some people think PG-13 LGBT movies are porn. Or Playboy. Or music videos. It is very individual.

The porn industry is changing, like the music industry did, and the companies and actors and actresses who know how to adapt are still doing well (like music companies).

Archae

(46,327 posts)
24. If you're trying to be "funny," you failed.
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:29 PM
Jun 2012

As in epic fail.

I've seen furry porn, some that would make your eyes water.
(Hello, Doug Winger!)

This is not "furry porn."

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
35. Furverts are a different subspecies.
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:50 PM
Jun 2012

I used to manage a comics/sci fi shop back in the 1990s. Yes I've seen Doug Winger's stuff. More than enough of it, anyway.

Archae

(46,327 posts)
41. In actuality, Doug Winger's stuff is mild in comparison, with the really screwy stuff nowadays.
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 04:42 PM
Jun 2012

Look up "Dick Bitch Molly" if you dare.

Or "vore."

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
26. Porn, I think, is anything someone doesn't like
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:34 PM
Jun 2012

Many people here, men and women, are threatened by sex. They still carry insanity from fundamentalist Christian, Jewish, Muslim or what not.

They hate sex because they secretly hate themselves.

They probably shudder at the thought of looking at their own genitalia.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
38. A lot of the hostility to sexuality in general comes from religion.
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 03:52 PM
Jun 2012

The true believers, at some base level, hate their own humanity and bodies. Fundamentalist religion of any kind is the shortest path to involuntary mental illness.

 

Taverner

(55,476 posts)
45. "Fundamentalist religion of any kind is the shortest path to involuntary mental illness."
Tue Jun 19, 2012, 05:18 PM
Jun 2012

Agree 100%

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