out of time.

The Clinton camp is running out of time to challenge the election. According to one of the activists, the deadline in Wisconsin to file for a recount is Friday; in Pennsylvania, it’s Monday; and Michigan is next Wednesday. Whether Clinton will call for a recount remains unclear. The academics so far have only a circumstantial case that would require not just a recount but a forensic audit of voting machines. Also complicating matters, a senior Clinton adviser said, is that the White House, focused on a smooth transfer of power, does not want Clinton to challenge the election result.

This is the one time we need them to fight like hell.

add the supreme court appts, that one has already been stolen from President Obama to fill...

we need to fight if there was fraud!!!!

me anxiously wonder what is so sacred about a smooth transfer before it is necessary.

Food assistance, SSI, all public roads will become pay to drive, all national parks sold off to the highest bidder for strip mining and clear cutting, EPA killed, massive air, water and ground pollution green lighted, gay marriage outlawed, gays in military outlawed, legal pot overruled by DEA and stores raided and shutdown while the owners serve 20 to life in a for profit Federal prison..etc etc etc etc etc............

Democrats just don't fight. They just give up.

I love President Obama, but I'm angry with him for being more focused on "a smooth transfer of power" than on the reliability of our elections.

That's what happens when you vociferously defend the process and immediately discount any possibility of fraud. Trump played us because he knew what would be going down.

I said Democrats were walking into a trap by calling Trump out for not committing to accepting the results. Especially since Democratic voters are usually the ones disenfranchised. Someone else posted a thread about that and got shouted down here.

Nice.

Sadly I'm pretty sure you are right.

Somebody better investigate soon.

Americans are being cheated of the truth.

Again.

And they knew that.

She told us to "give him a chance."

I've never felt so disappointed in my life when I read she said that.

Like, are you serious? What the fuck was even the point of all that we've learned and all that you've said about him? Give him a fucking chance?

Threw in the towel. She's not my champion. It's up to us now.

They lied to his face about the number of outstanding provisional ballots in Ohio, and James Carville tipped off his Republican wife that Kerry was thinking about challenging the results.

I'm sorry, but if they have real evidence, they need to bring it out. Until then, it's just as much bullshit as Donald Trump's brilliant plan to defeat ISIS that he won't tell anybody about.

has to pick herself up dust herself off and make this challenge. If she won't we need to pursue. Our Democracy is in tatters without the full faith and confidence of the American people re this hacked election.

http://election.democraticunderground.com/12512619985

Mother Jones reports:
The NSA Chief Says Russia Hacked the 2016 Election. Congress Must Investigate.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/will-congress-investigate-russian-interference-2016-campaign

Secretary Clinton must fight for all of us with this! If trump had lost, within minutes there would have been audits in play.

And Why Oh Why has Pres. O not done SOMETHING about seating Merrick?

My list is long with all the lack of action. The republicans play dirty and pull all kinds of crap. Why don't the Dems fight? A good fight not a dirty one.

from rogue operatives and Obama haters in national agencies

Some nutty republicans would be inclined to harm her if she would fight this.

anyone else will be laughed out of a courtroom.

She may be many things but she doesn't seem to me the type to pursue what must seem to be an unconventional path and challenge the political machine. What is her calculation here? Why would faith in the system be a reward? What are the possible outcomes and side effects of challenging the count? What will that process entail and where will we be if it fails, or if it succeeds? Those are the questions her "team" will be considering, along with whether they believe it could be as the advocates are saying it is.

The reasoning behind the smooth hand off is that government is to be respected, trusted and obeyed. The argument raised in Bush v Gore was that there would be chaos and public disorder on a dangerous scale if the count were challenged beyond a certain point. I'm not clear on where that point is or was perceived to be, but the argument did not assume that the vote had been substantially altered and no evidence existed when the argument was made that there could have been, unlike now.

I think she should challenge it and that we should not accept this coup or the funny math used to defend it.

They may argue over stuff and piss on each other upon occasion.
But when it comes time for Thanksgiving dinner, they all are just sitting nicely around the table.

Bernie Sanders, thank heavens, is not a member of that family. Put in the same position, I believe would he have challenged it.

...said Pangaia just before diving head first into his foxhole.

well, don said it was rigged.

The same show where Giluliani said "Did I hear about it? You’re darn right I heard about" he was asked what blue states will flip for Trump he said Michigan and Pennsylvania. I'm curious how he came to that conclusion. Lucky guess? Their internal polling was more accurate than regular polls? Or they rigged the election?

Giuliani also said we have things up our sleeve though he said he was referring to their ad blitz campaign with new ads for the final 3 days.

I knew something was wrong election night

He can focus on a smooth transition all he wants. In the meantime, Clinton needs to challenge this. This is clear evidence of our election being hacked. We cannot let this go unanswered.

No, she won't.

personally I don't see much out of the ordinary. Clinton won where she should have and Trump won where he should have.

If there was any tampering or hacking, I think you would have to look at the counties where Clinton won to see if there was any misdeeds.

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/ENR_New/General/CountyBreakDownResults?officeId=1&districtId=1&ElectionID=undefined&ElectionType=undefined&IsActive=undefined

Christ, I'd love for Clinton to somehow win, but do we have to be like the GOPers calling Trump illegitimate like they called Obama ("Not My Prez" is OK by me, though).

I despise Trump, but until someone offers real proof that ignorant white wing racists in key states didn't out vote Democrats for Prez, I think we need to move on.

I am sure, there are people quite investigating election results. If they find something creditable, then it's a different story.

Equinox Moon: Yes, plus NSA chief said Russia hacked the election!

http://election.democraticunderground.com/12512619985

Mother Jones reports:
The NSA Chief Says Russia Hacked the 2016 Election. Congress Must Investigate.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/will-congress-investigate-russian-interference-2016-campaign

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Computer scientists urge Clinton campaign to challenge election results
By Dan Merica, CNN Updated 10:23 PM ET, Tue November 22, 2016

(CNN)Hillary Clinton's campaign is being urged by a number of top computer scientists to call for a recount of vote totals in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, according to a source with knowledge of the request.

The computer scientists believe they have found evidence that vote totals in the three states could have been manipulated or hacked and presented their findings to top Clinton aides on a call last Thursday.

The scientists, among them J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, told the Clinton campaign they believe there is a questionable trend of Clinton performing worse in counties that relied on electronic voting machines compared to paper ballots and optical scanners, according to the source.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/hillary-clinton-challenge-results/index.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028299199

DURING THE CAMPAIGN Russia attempted to supply disinformation. That's probably true. I think we do the same thing at times in foreign elections.

A couple of computer scientists BELIEVE they have found evidence that the vote count COULD HAVE been hacked. Sorry, that's a bit soft for me.

Again, I don't think conspiracy theories do us any good.

...if we assume that we lost because of hacking, then we assume that our campaign message, policies and candidate are without fault. If in fact that's not the case, we'll have a harder job convincing voters we lost to Trump in the next election.

Sure let Dumpf and his nazi supporters take over the government with a whimper while evidence exists of vote manipulation, what could possibly go wrong?

I bet lots of German voters said the same thing when Hitler became the Chancellor of the Reich, January 30th 1933.

unless someone has proof the count was hacked, there is no chance of the election being changed. I don't think anyone has proof the count was hacked, just supposition it COULD HAVE BEEN. Well, Trump COULD have had some votes ignored too.

yeah, that'll happen. With the SS there to greet us.

We are so fucked!

I assumed that they truly believed they lost the rust belt states.

But (if) its not too late, she should do so.

and the congressional Dems won't fight that creature's agenda either.

We are screwed.

Say good-bye to Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, and pretty much anything that benefits anyone but the .01.

I have zero hope that we'll see anything but folding like a cheap suit in the future.