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Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts) Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:45 PM Nov 2016

Is cost a concern regarding auditing the vote count?

If cost is why Sec. Clinton is not challenging the results in say, WI, MI, PA, wouldn't you think 1000's of American's would pitch in? I would.

What other reasons would there be for not auditing some of the states?

OMG! if there is any hope of stopping this madman from being in the WH, it must be done! The stories about Russia hacking our election are real as well, per NSA chief.

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Is cost a concern regarding auditing the vote count? (Original Post) Equinox Moon Nov 2016 OP

An earthquake disturbance to the country. Everyone's bowels in an uproar all at the same time? lonestarnot Nov 2016 #1

Don't we have that now? Equinox Moon Nov 2016 #2

We are in transistion. LOL lonestarnot Nov 2016 #5

It would be millions SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #3

There is appropriate evidence of wrongdoing. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #13

There is no evidence SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2016 #14

There is enough evidence to investigate. bigmonkey Nov 2016 #15

There is evidence. For example, in WI they've already found two counties pnwmom Nov 2016 #17

omg, link please Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #19

Here you go. pnwmom Nov 2016 #21

thank you! Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #22

I would be in favor of every election being audited bhikkhu Nov 2016 #4

I don't know, but the way she has been treated since 1993, I sure wouldn't blame her still_one Nov 2016 #6

It shouldn't be up to one person bhikkhu Nov 2016 #8

I'm sure they will disclose the evidence to her and let her make the decision to lodge the proper lonestarnot Nov 2016 #9

From what we have learned about her, that is not her nature Equinox Moon Nov 2016 #10

NO!! ancianita Nov 2016 #7

No what? lonestarnot Nov 2016 #11

"NO" to the OP question if cost is a concern! ancianita Nov 2016 #12

She's going to need real evidence Bradical79 Nov 2016 #16

There were two counties in WI whose results couldn't be explained away. pnwmom Nov 2016 #18

no, the bigger issue is probably that those who would/should have voted were not able to JI7 Nov 2016 #20

Yeah loyalsister Nov 2016 #23

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)

1. An earthquake disturbance to the country. Everyone's bowels in an uproar all at the same time?

Reply to Equinox Moon (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:46 PM

Nov 2016

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)

2. Don't we have that now?

Reply to lonestarnot (Reply #1)

Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:47 PM

Nov 2016

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)

5. We are in transistion. LOL

Reply to Equinox Moon (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:50 PM

Nov 2016

As in transient sichiation. Who gives a crap if it's the entire fucking country at once. Our democracy is based on election. If there is a fucking cheat there is a fucking cheat. Disclose the fucking cheat! AUDIT the damn vote!

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)

3. It would be millions

Reply to Equinox Moon (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:47 PM

Nov 2016

and would probably have to be paid up front, but I'm sure she could come up with that.

Other reason for not auditing/recounting would probably be that there is no evidence of wrongdoing, just lots of conjecture, and as someone here said earlier today, smoke and mirrors.

bigmonkey

(1,798 posts)

13. There is appropriate evidence of wrongdoing.

Reply to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:41 AM

Nov 2016

Your threshold is too high. This is an event that needs to be investigated, not a human being whose rights need to be respected. Elections are not innocent until proven guilty.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)

14. There is no evidence

Reply to bigmonkey (Reply #13)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:15 AM

Nov 2016

Other than that Hillary lost when almost everyone expected her to win

bigmonkey

(1,798 posts)

15. There is enough evidence to investigate.

Reply to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #14)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:22 AM

Nov 2016

This should be routine. Calling for the proof to appear before the investigation, how does that work?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)

17. There is evidence. For example, in WI they've already found two counties

Reply to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #3)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 04:18 AM

Nov 2016

with defective software that was giving Trump more votes. They found 1400 extra Trump votes in just one county. They really should check all the other machines in WI that use that type of machine.

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)

19. omg, link please

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #17)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:02 AM

Nov 2016

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)

21. Here you go.

Reply to Grey Lemercier (Reply #19)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:26 AM

Nov 2016

http://www.salon.com/2016/11/22/democratic-electors-are-lobbying-republican-colleagues-to-reject-donald-trump-sad/

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)

22. thank you!

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #21)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:28 AM

Nov 2016

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)

4. I would be in favor of every election being audited

Reply to Equinox Moon (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:50 PM

Nov 2016

as a matter of course, regardless of cost.

The last couple of decades have had enough problems, and the voter turnout is only going down if we don't get some assurances. I'm not prone to conspiracy theories at all, but the lack of any independent verification of vote tallies leads to fertile ground.

still_one

(92,217 posts)

6. I don't know, but the way she has been treated since 1993, I sure wouldn't blame her

Reply to Equinox Moon (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:50 PM

Nov 2016

if she just said forget it

bhikkhu

(10,718 posts)

8. It shouldn't be up to one person

Reply to still_one (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:51 PM

Nov 2016

Every voter has a stake in their vote being fairly counted, every voter has legal standing to demand a fair election, and the verification that elections are fair.

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)

9. I'm sure they will disclose the evidence to her and let her make the decision to lodge the proper

Reply to still_one (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:53 PM

Nov 2016

challenge and she will if there is ample evidence. It sounds like there could be.

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)

10. From what we have learned about her, that is not her nature

Reply to still_one (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:53 PM

Nov 2016

to give up.

We need her to fight this one, for ALL of us.

ancianita

(36,066 posts)

7. NO!!

Reply to Equinox Moon (Original post)

Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:51 PM

Nov 2016

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)

11. No what?

Reply to ancianita (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:55 PM

Nov 2016

ancianita

(36,066 posts)

12. "NO" to the OP question if cost is a concern!

Reply to lonestarnot (Reply #11)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:09 AM

Nov 2016

Good lord!

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)

16. She's going to need real evidence

Reply to Equinox Moon (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:26 AM

Nov 2016

Right now, it's just a weak corelation that's easily explained away. Without something more than what was reported, it's not going to happen. Evidence is the main concern, not cost.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)

18. There were two counties in WI whose results couldn't be explained away.

Reply to Bradical79 (Reply #16)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 04:20 AM

Nov 2016

One of them awarded 1400 extra votes to Trump. They should be checking all the other machines that use that software.

JI7

(89,251 posts)

20. no, the bigger issue is probably that those who would/should have voted were not able to

Reply to Equinox Moon (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:16 AM

Nov 2016

because of things the republicans did after the court struck down voting rights.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)

23. Yeah

Reply to Equinox Moon (Original post)

Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:30 AM

Nov 2016

Counties pay for elections. Private funding is not a road we should go down, major corporations fund recount after recount until they get the results they want. If they were counted privately there could be repeated recounts with competing statistical analysts to torture us for years.

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