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"When the president does it, that means it's not illegal." (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Nov 2016 OP
As for the past 8 years.... vi5 Nov 2016 #1
And exactly WHAT are you talking about? MoonRiver Nov 2016 #2
Drone attacks ....warrantless wiretapping......that type of stuff... vi5 Nov 2016 #3
It's actually worse. Igel Nov 2016 #6
Hmm...interesting. Please be as specific as you can, OK? MineralMan Nov 2016 #8
to paraphrase Billy Jack: anarch Nov 2016 #4
Yup. We're going into that territory. Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #5
Didn't Tricky Dick have to resign to avoid being MineralMan Nov 2016 #7
Yep. And I heard he was batshit crazy at the end, Ilsa Nov 2016 #9
 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
1. As for the past 8 years....
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:36 AM
Nov 2016

Some of the folks on "our side" seemed to buy into that idea. Nothing even in the same universe as what Trump is going to do, but creeping incrementalism falls into our lap as much as anyone else.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
3. Drone attacks ....warrantless wiretapping......that type of stuff...
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:46 PM
Nov 2016

...again, it's not Trump level stuff but it's still things that I don't want him to have the power to do, but that for the past 8 years our side said "Oh, it's no big deal. We trust Obama.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
6. It's actually worse.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:54 PM
Nov 2016

Those are just the things that *have* been done that we don't like.

Add in those things like DACA that are questionable, and it's worse.

Then put into the mix all the things that many (D) have wanted Obama to do--rewrite the budget ex parte, rewrite immigration laws, compel states to do more than the law requires. ... You soon realize that the absence of civics in school (and for those states/schools with civics classes, the utter irrelevance that many view such courses with) has left a lot of people, (R), (L), and center, with a view that when their guy (or gal) is in power s/he's got a lot more power than is the case.

anarch

(6,535 posts)
4. to paraphrase Billy Jack:
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:11 PM
Nov 2016

When the authorities break the law, then there isn't any law--just a fight for survival.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
7. Didn't Tricky Dick have to resign to avoid being
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:57 PM
Nov 2016

removed by impeachment? Or have I forgotten my history? Seems to me that he paid a high price for his ugly ways.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
9. Yep. And I heard he was batshit crazy at the end,
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 04:11 PM
Nov 2016

muttering to past president's portraits, eating dog biscuits when he treated his dogs, and was getting drunk on martinis all of the time.

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