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madaboutharry

(40,212 posts)
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:44 AM Nov 2016

Democrats must never forget nor forgive the stolen Supreme Court seat.

Last edited Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:36 PM - Edit history (1)

The atrocity committed against President Obama, the American judicial system, and the American people by Mitch McConnell and Senate republicans by refusing to seat Merrick Garland on the bench must never by forgotten nor forgiven.

Republicans must be forever shamed.

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Democrats must never forget nor forgive the stolen Supreme Court seat. (Original Post) madaboutharry Nov 2016 OP
Can't Obama fill that vacancy due to the Senate's lack of action by now? Roland99 Nov 2016 #1
The Thugs make up their own law as they go along. Auntie Bush Nov 2016 #3
Nope FBaggins Nov 2016 #5
Here is what I thought he could do: StevieM Nov 2016 #14
Do it! DK504 Nov 2016 #20
I could be wrong about the details. I am not totally certain. (eom) StevieM Nov 2016 #26
Unfortunately, no. FBaggins Nov 2016 #30
I think Obama is enjoying his high poll numbers as he leaves office Alhena Nov 2016 #16
Have you actually looked at his face lately? The man is absolutely gray and sickened. Hekate Nov 2016 #23
Technically, there is not a vacancy kudzu22 Nov 2016 #40
Unfortunately Republicans don't know the meaning COLGATE4 Nov 2016 #2
shame has nothing to do with it, this is all about POWER Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #8
You're right about it being all about power. Saviolo Nov 2016 #22
brilliant writing Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #43
1,000 malaise Nov 2016 #44
all part of the plan. librechik Nov 2016 #4
so much THIS Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #9
Want to bet the repukes try to expand the court numbers. libtodeath Nov 2016 #6
yep, they want to pack the 4th Reich's Volksgerichtshof Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #10
They don't care about shame they don't feel it Ohioblue22 Nov 2016 #7
These people don't care about shame. They care about power. The reason that they felt entitled to do Chakab Nov 2016 #11
Come on! Keep DU at least a LITTLE competent by using correct grammar !! vkkv Nov 2016 #12
It is not grammar pangaia Nov 2016 #21
Yes, it is grammar if the past tense is used incorrectly. vkkv Nov 2016 #48
Yup. Their bad behavior and extreme hypocrisy was rewarded. Initech Nov 2016 #13
The Democrats can filibuster every nominee for as long as it takes. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #15
Ain't gonna work SCantiGOP Nov 2016 #17
Democrats could have done it and didn't. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #25
Democrats did do it SCantiGOP Nov 2016 #27
Democrats did not include Supreme Court nominations. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #28
But they made clear that they would if needed FBaggins Nov 2016 #31
They could have and didn't. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #35
You seriously have ANY doubt whether they will do it? FBaggins Nov 2016 #36
That was in light of not considering Merrick Garland. yallerdawg Nov 2016 #37
Sorry... that doesn't make sense FBaggins Nov 2016 #38
Holding onto a hope? yallerdawg Nov 2016 #39
"What goes around comes around" is what I was saying when people wanted to nuke appellate nominees FBaggins Nov 2016 #41
they won't do that before the midterms, at least bigtree Nov 2016 #33
Not really- the Republicans can just use the nuclear option for Supreme Court justices Alhena Nov 2016 #18
Wish it were so, but probably not. lark Nov 2016 #24
Yes, but the bigger issue is the country Cosmocat Nov 2016 #19
It wasn't stolen, it was ceded awoke_in_2003 Nov 2016 #29
yep G_j Nov 2016 #42
What Mitch McConnell did was a direct violation of the constution. Initech Nov 2016 #32
Exactly treestar Nov 2016 #34
Democrats need to assume the GOP has set a new precedent. Vinca Nov 2016 #45
We could easily say that he didn't have a majority Horse with no Name Nov 2016 #49
Well...Senate Dems also did a piss poor job of fghting for it davidn3600 Nov 2016 #46
they mustn't forgive themselves if they don't do something about hackable computer voting. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #47
Democrats need to start fighting Republicans the way Republicans fight Democrats. TeamPooka Nov 2016 #50

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
1. Can't Obama fill that vacancy due to the Senate's lack of action by now?
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:45 AM
Nov 2016

I thought there was a specific timeframe by which the Senate had to act. And they certainly haven't!!

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
5. Nope
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:57 AM
Nov 2016

He could theoretically get someone by for a year with a recess appointment, but only if the Republicans fail to block it by refusing to recess.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
14. Here is what I thought he could do:
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:02 PM
Nov 2016

Make a recess appointment after the current Congress expires on January 5, but before they take office on January 6.

Also, if he makes the appointment in 2017, then doesn't it last until the end of 2018?

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
30. Unfortunately, no.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:34 PM
Nov 2016

The recent Supreme Court decision (NLRB vs. Noel Canning - 2014) says that a recess has to be more than three days.

More importantly, the appointment lasts until the end of their next session. There are traditionally two sessions in a congressional term (one each year), but the decision also says that the Senate is the sole arbiter of when they hold sessions and how long they are.

So... they could show up on January 6th and declare a short session to end one day after the new President takes office.

http://www.scotusblog.com/2016/02/is-a-recess-appointment-to-the-court-an-option/

Alhena

(3,030 posts)
16. I think Obama is enjoying his high poll numbers as he leaves office
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:05 PM
Nov 2016

Obama is more of a "let's get along" kind of guy- not the "fight to the end" type.

Serves him will in some situations, not so much in others. I wish he'd do more to fight, but he's obviously decided a smooth Trump transition is more important.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
23. Have you actually looked at his face lately? The man is absolutely gray and sickened.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:14 PM
Nov 2016

He's been robbed of any "enjoyment", as you call it, and robbed of his legacy.

Whatever he is doing is behind the scenes, as Osama Bin Ladin discovered. Unlike Trump, Obama has never been one to blow his own horn; he just works like hell.

Whatever Obama is doing really is for the peace of the country -- as in, how do you think the neo-nazis are going to react at the threat of having their win overturned in any fashion? There will be bloodshed. They will come for him and his family.

What you said is so insulting.

kudzu22

(1,273 posts)
40. Technically, there is not a vacancy
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:27 PM
Nov 2016

There is no place where it says the Supreme Court must have nine members. We could go on forever with only eight, if no appointment is made. There used to be only six justices. A recess appointment to "fill a vacancy" is a pretty shaky argument.

 

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
8. shame has nothing to do with it, this is all about POWER
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:34 AM
Nov 2016

By any means necessary. They are willing to do whatever it takes, they are DRIVEN to dominate. We are the "better angels" party, and we are getting slaughtered at every level, federal, state, local.

Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
22. You're right about it being all about power.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:55 PM
Nov 2016

And not even power as a means to an end, just power for power's sake.

I always keep this passage from 1984 in mind:

The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure power. What pure power means you will understand presently. We are different from all the oligarchies of the past, in that we know what we are doing. All the others, even those who resembled ourselves, were- cowards and hypocrites. The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. They pretended, perhaps they even believed, that they had seized power unwillingly and for a limited time, and that just round the corner there lay a paradise where human beings would be free and equal. We are not like that. We know that no one ever seizes power with the intention of relinquishing it. Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.


librechik

(30,674 posts)
4. all part of the plan.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:52 AM
Nov 2016

they've been working on this for years, all the parts at the ready, and the media cluelessly (?) helping put the noose around our neck. Yay, at last the Confederacy is in charge of the Union.

 

Grey Lemercier

(1,429 posts)
9. so much THIS
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:36 AM
Nov 2016

Î have been going bonkers for years when people said "Oh, the Republicans are on their last legs". I was like, HELLO, LOOK at the STATES and cities.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
11. These people don't care about shame. They care about power. The reason that they felt entitled to do
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:39 AM
Nov 2016

what they did RE the Supreme Court is because the Democrats refused to challenge them on their extreme obstructionist behavior over the past decade. From the first day that they started the permanent filibuster after the Democratic majority was sworn in in 2007, the Democrats should have been all over the media denouncing the Republicans and threatening the nuclear option.

But no, they rolled over again and again and played nice. Now we're stick in situation where they feel emboldened to violate every constitutional norm to get their way.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
12. Come on! Keep DU at least a LITTLE competent by using correct grammar !!
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:46 AM
Nov 2016

"" Democrats must never forgot nor forgive the stolen Supreme Court seat. ""

"..must never FORGOT nor forgive.."

How embarrassing..

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
48. Yes, it is grammar if the past tense is used incorrectly.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:01 PM
Nov 2016

A typicla speeling error wood bee moore like I "fergot"

Initech

(100,081 posts)
13. Yup. Their bad behavior and extreme hypocrisy was rewarded.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:55 AM
Nov 2016

The republicans will say and do anything to protect the US Constitution, until it comes time to actually fulfill their duties. It seems the only thing they care about the Constitution is that precious 2nd amendment. Maybe it should be taken away from them. It's been nothing more than a distraction and has done more harm than good.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
15. The Democrats can filibuster every nominee for as long as it takes.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:03 PM
Nov 2016

This is what the Republicans do - now it is our turn.

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
17. Ain't gonna work
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:07 PM
Nov 2016

Seems obvious the Repubs are going to abandon the 60 vote filibuster rule for court appointments, so it will only take a simple majority. There are very few moderates left in the GOP who would oppose any Trump nominee.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
25. Democrats could have done it and didn't.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:38 PM
Nov 2016

If the Republicans do this, and break the balance of the Supreme Court, it will be the destruction of two more institutions.

I don't think they will. To many of them have no fondness or trust in Corrupt Trump.

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
27. Democrats did do it
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:22 PM
Nov 2016

When they couldn't get any nominees voted on they changed the rule to a simple majority for upper level federal court appointments. They didn't have a SCOTUS appointment come up under this procedure.
A lot of people at the time said this would come back to haunt them, and that might be the only reason the GOP doesn't do it for Supreme Court.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
35. They could have and didn't.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:46 PM
Nov 2016

That's the point.

Blustering posture is how the 'nuclear option' works.

Even for this, Republicans would be insane to trigger Armageddon.

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
36. You seriously have ANY doubt whether they will do it?
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:49 PM
Nov 2016

Sorry... they'll just pull up quote after quote (from, for instance, Harry Reid when he expected that we would be in the majority this coming term)... saying that if Republicans try to filibuster a SC nominee, they'll go nuclear.

Note that this wasn't even a month ago:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/harry-reid-if-gop-blocks-scotus-in-2017-dems-should-go-nuclear-again

Outgoing Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) said he is confident that he has laid the groundwork for Democrats to nuke the filibuster for Supreme Court nominees if they win back the Senate in November.

Envisioning Hillary Clinton in the White House and Democrats controlling the Senate, Reid warned that if a Senate Republican minority block her Supreme Court nominee, he is confident the party won't hesitate to change the filibuster rules again.

Such a move would be an extension of what Reid did in 2013 when he was still majority leader, eliminating filibusters (with a simple majority vote) on the President's nominees. There was only one exception: the Supreme Court. As it stands now, Democrats still need 60 votes to move forward with a Supreme Court nominee.

Reid said, however, that could change.

“I really do believe that I have set the Senate so when I leave, we’re going to be able to get judges done with a majority. It takes only a simple majority anymore. And, it’s clear to me that if the Republicans try to filibuster another circuit court judge, but especially a Supreme Court justice, I’ve told 'em how and I’ve done it, not just talking about it. I did it in changing the rules of the Senate. It’ll have to be done again," Reid told TPM in a wide-ranging interview about his time in the Senate and his legacy.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
37. That was in light of not considering Merrick Garland.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:57 PM
Nov 2016

It was a gambit that didn't work.

Now, we're hearing more bluster. That's how it works.

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
38. Sorry... that doesn't make sense
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:04 PM
Nov 2016

First of all, the statement was made just a couple weeks before the election. The Senate wasn't going to be in a position to consider anyone.

Second... he made no such clarification. "we’re going to be able to get judges done with a majority" is pretty clear.

There's no spinning this. The only way to block a Trump appointment to Scalia's seat is to paint them as so objectionable that three Republicans will vote with us to reject the appointment(s)... until Trump is forced to pick someone less objectionable.

Frankly, I have zero faith in their statesmanship and can't believe that you're holding on to that hope.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
39. Holding onto a hope?
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:20 PM
Nov 2016

This is the rule in the Senate.

The Republicans are not the only ones who get to make minority party stands.

I know we think "the sky is falling" but we have to remember, the Republicans in the Senate are just as surprised Corrupt Trump is in there.

I don't know how if they are willing to destroy the institution of the Senate for this fluke. They'll talk like it, of course.

But as we know, what goes around comes around.

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
41. "What goes around comes around" is what I was saying when people wanted to nuke appellate nominees
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:28 PM
Nov 2016

Very few listened. Now that ship has sailed.

The planning horizon is much shorter now and Republicans see little to no chance of losing the Senate two years from now (far too many blue seats up in red states). Replacing Scalia or, heaven help us two or three, could control the court for decades. That's a far larger power grab than worrying about losing the Senate in four years.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
33. they won't do that before the midterms, at least
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:43 PM
Nov 2016

...no one wants to give the other side the power, fearing a future change in majorities.

Alhena

(3,030 posts)
18. Not really- the Republicans can just use the nuclear option for Supreme Court justices
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:07 PM
Nov 2016

as is already the case with all other types of judges. Reid signaled before the election that he planned to do just that if Hillary won and Republicans blocked her nominee.

So they can confirm a Supreme Court justice with a bare majority.

lark

(23,105 posts)
24. Wish it were so, but probably not.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:14 PM
Nov 2016

Repugs are already talking about limited filibuster to not include any appointments, even the SCOTUS. They've got a power play going and are going to use it to the very fullest extent. Only problem is they then own everything. How will they ever win another election after gutting Medicare, Medicaid and SS? Unless they take vote hacking to an even higher level, they won't. Even stupid people know when they can't pay for the medicine or see a dr. and will take revenge on the folks that did this to them. If Repugs pass all 3, bet it won't be implemented until later in 2020 to avoid the next election - the sneaky assholes.

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
19. Yes, but the bigger issue is the country
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:32 PM
Nov 2016

Honestly, they should have gotten beaten up for hell at the bare minimum in senate races for the shit they pulled, and the country, ONCE AGAIN, did not hold them one bit accountable.

While I agree the Dems need to sack up, the reality of the world we live in is that republicans get to play by a totally different set of rules because they have to completely blow the country the fuck up for voters to every hold them accountable.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
29. It wasn't stolen, it was ceded
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:30 PM
Nov 2016

The president and senate dems should have been bringing it up every time a camera was in their face. The pukes refused to do their jobs, and they let them get away with it because they were so sure HRC would win. After all these years, haven't we realized what Harry Reid really is- big on talk, small on action.

Initech

(100,081 posts)
32. What Mitch McConnell did was a direct violation of the constution.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:40 PM
Nov 2016

You know - that document that they say we should take as literally as possible. But you know what? Fuck that, what he did was actually an act of treason.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
34. Exactly
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:44 PM
Nov 2016

And insist any appointment made by Orange Hair is not legitimate because he is popular vote loser and the people should decide in 2020.

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
45. Democrats need to assume the GOP has set a new precedent.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 04:29 PM
Nov 2016

If any justice needs replacing later than year 3 of the Trump fiasco, tell them to forget about it until "the people have their say" in the next election. Payback's a bitch.

TeamPooka

(24,229 posts)
50. Democrats need to start fighting Republicans the way Republicans fight Democrats.
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 02:20 AM
Nov 2016

Tooth and nail with no quarter given.
Enough of this roll over shit. Americans don't give a crap if you cooperate with the GOP. They see that as the GOP being better than Democrats.
The GOP taught the American people that total obstruction of government over principles and values is the right thing to do.
Now it's our turn.

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