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white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:17 PM Nov 2016

Are we witnessing the death of rural areas?

I sometimes post on non-political but left leaning forum and one of the posters made an interesting observation about this election. They argued that this was an "extinction" event for rural areas. His argument was that the rise of the service industry combined with the decline of manufacturing was leading to the end small-town America.

I don't know if he's correct or not, but I thought it was an interesting line of thought. Speaking purely from anecdotal experience, I've lived in a rural area my whole life and am in the middle of planning a move to NYC so I can understand why, even aside from economic issues, a lot of people feel like they have no reason to stay in rural communities.

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white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
2. Well obviously that's not helping...
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:23 PM
Nov 2016

But the wider argument, which I suspect I didn't make clear in my OP, is that the systematical changes are making rural areas and small-town America simply unsustainable.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
14. That's all of them.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:21 PM
Nov 2016

Rural America's been in decline since FDR. It hasn't had a serious upswing under JFK, Johnson, Clinton, or Obama, nor have the downswings under Nixon, Reagan, Bush I & II been all that remarkably part of their policies.

Those knuckle-draggers in fly-over country can't get a break, even from those like us who hold those bitter backwater bumpkins in such high regard.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
3. Hmmm, on last dying gasp of rural America...
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:26 PM
Nov 2016

It could be. For sure, Trump has no interest in small town America. Hell, he doesn't care much for city dwellers.

I suspect there will be a lot of disappointed red-state inhabitants over the next few years. Most, if not all, of Trump's promises were unrealistic in the extreme, or if realistic are already in the works.

The wall? Pretty much all of the border where a wall/fence makes any sense is already there.

Deportation? We're already deporting people at record levels, have been for years. I suppose one could argue that we're deporting the "wrong" people, but from Trumps latest comments about "concentrating on criminals" we're doing that, too.

Registries? Pretty sure most immigrants are already 'registered.' They are only de-listed when they accept citizenship.

Trump is a huckster, and he just did his best sales job on the red states of America. I certainly don't see much in his policy or his recent actions that would bolster small town/rural America.

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
8. Yep and his job promises are absurd.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:40 PM
Nov 2016

Coal, for a variety of reasons, is not coming back. Even IF he brought back manufacturing plants, they would probably come to urban areas and thanks to automation they wouldn't employ as many people as they did in the past.

NickB79

(19,253 posts)
16. And automated jobs often require more intelligence and skill
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 06:54 PM
Nov 2016

As idiot-proof as they make machinery, I've seen far too many idiots destroy far too much expensive equipment at my job.

Ever see a guy spray a bank of 480-volt control panels for a factory floor with a high-pressure hose because he thought he needed to clean it off? He was lucky he even survived! That mistake cost us $25,000 in a fraction of a second, a full day of lost production time, and got him walked out the door. And we thought he was one of the smarter ones!

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
4. Republican who blocked the Medicaid expansion killed rural America in red state.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:29 PM
Nov 2016

No access to health care is deadly. And no one will build a hospital in an area where they know that it will be overrun by uninsured patients.

DinahMoeHum

(21,794 posts)
6. You're forgetting one thing: agriculture
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:32 PM
Nov 2016

As it is, we are losing farmland to development and bad business practices.

Any comments on this?

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
7. That is one thing that could sustain some communities.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:37 PM
Nov 2016

If vertical farming proves effective then even farming communities might suffer.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
13. Living in a rural red state here.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 04:05 PM
Nov 2016

First of all, you gotta know the difference between rural land West of the Rockies and east of them.
fed. Gov owns a LOT of "rural" in teh West.

Here in Ala. most of the land is owned by individuals, and Ala. is 80% rural.and a lot of that land has been in the family for 100 years or more.

What sustains rural living here is trees, for timber, cattle and other market animals, and farming.
Also people tend to have various side jobs in addition to their land based income.
About every 5th person I meet is also a forester. Neighbor across the street is a forester and has a real estate company ( real estate not doing well here at all).
Couple of military bases help with the economy, plus the space research in Huntsville, plus a very large collection of hospital complexes and private medical centers in the state, which support workers who live in rural areas and commute to the cities.

Surprising number of people are getting their post grad education in-state, and working here.
People who move away after high school often come back at some point, I have run into a surprising number of them.

Lots of retired folks here to spend their pension/Soc. Sec..cause good housing in pretty cheap.

Southern rural life is not as expensive as other areas of the country, and people can grow a back yard garden to help out,
Heck, I live IN town and we had chickens for awhile. Law allows them.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
9. Perhaps, but...
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:43 PM
Nov 2016

does anyone expect Trump and his peers to support small family farms? Ag has been succumbing to agri-business for decades. If anything, I would expect this to accelerate. Again, increased mechanization and automation will not lead to jobs in agricultural communities.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
10. Ever more mechanized, laser-leveled, GPS-guided and bigger, bigger, bigger
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:44 PM
Nov 2016

Unless you inherit a farm, there's virtually no chance you could even buy good land in Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska, Georgia.

Then you get to try and survive based on whatever ADM, Cargill et. al. feel like paying.

Oh, and you get to compete with agricultural imports from Chile, China, Canada, Australia, South Africa, Argentina, Mexico . . .

Vogon_Glory

(9,118 posts)
11. Meanwhile Out West
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:53 PM
Nov 2016

Meanwhile out west, a lot of red-state territory is depopulating. Some parts, like the Dakotas, might be viable farm country but won't be because of lack of hospitals, schools, and grocery stores.

Other parts are heading that way because of changing rainfall patterns and because of lack of water as they pump their aquifers dry.

So of course folks in those parts vote for Trump and the climate change-denying Tea-publican Party.

Go figure.

BamaRefugee

(3,483 posts)
12. Truck driving jobs
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 03:57 PM
Nov 2016

They've always been a fall back position, or even a full time profession, in our economy. But self driving trucks are coming on fast, and that means something like 3.5 million jobs possibly disappearing.
Will Trump outlaw them to save his constituency?

DinahMoeHum

(21,794 posts)
15. Electric cars and other EVs will also effect manufacturing. . .
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:55 PM
Nov 2016

. . .more jobs lost as there are fewer parts and services needed for those vehicles.

Even Trump can't stop those, either. That ship has also sailed.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
18. Land will always have value.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:02 PM
Nov 2016

That alone will keep rural areas going at a good clip.



Personally I wouldn't live anywhere that my GSDs can't run free.

Runningdawg

(4,520 posts)
19. Its not just the lack of jobs
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:12 PM
Nov 2016

or health care availability that is killing rural America, it's education too.
I went to 12 years of school in small town OK, graduating in 1978. When I say small, I mean tiny. There were 7 people in my class, 54 in the entire school.
The pay and living conditions were crappy and so the teachers were bottom of the barrel. If you got a good one, they MIGHT finish out the school year. During 4 years of HS I had one math class and one science class, both taught by the PE teacher.
Most people were married before graduation, a lot of guys dropped out to work, hardly anyone went to college. I was one of the lucky ones. I figured it out early enough to educate myself with the librarians help at the county library. I squeaked into a Jr. College where I had to prove myself before being accepted into a University. It was quite a shock at first to find that even with all the extra work and leaving with a 3.8, my education was Jr High level at best. Eventually I obtained 3 degrees, in Broadcast Engineering, Audio Engineering and Nursing.
Ah, but that was nearly 40 years ago you say, surely the school has closed or standards have been raised. Nope. I have friends that still live in that twilight zone and their kids attend the same school with the same outcomes. Some friends who have tried to better themselves have seen the light and moved to where their kids have more opportunities than they did. More will be doing so in the near future.

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
20. My area is dying...the upstate ny area is desolate
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:50 PM
Nov 2016

And they have all Republican reps who for nothing for them.

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