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KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:33 PM Nov 2016

Jill Stein Launches Fundraising Effort To Ask For A Recount In 3 States

Jill Stein Launches Fundraising Effort To Ask For A Recount In 3 States

ByCAITLIN MACNEALPublishedNOVEMBER 23, 2016, 2:58 PM EDT

Jill Stein, the Green Party's 2016 presidential candidate, on Wednesday launched a fundraising effort to pay for a recount in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

Stein would need to raise more than $2 million by Friday in order to proceed with the request for a recount in those states, according to the fundraising page.

NBC News's Alexandra Jaffe reported earlier on Wednesday that Stein would request a recount if she could raise enough money to do so.


Stein's effort follows a report in New York Magazine that a group of computer scientists and experts have been urging the Hillary Clinton campaign to request a recount in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania and Michigan, claiming that the results in those states may have been hacked or manipulated. The group of experts did not find actual evidence of hacking, but said that there were discrepancies between Clinton's performance in areas of Wisconsin that used paper ballots and areas of the state that used electronic voting machines. The report in New York Magazine did not say what patterns the experts found in Pennsylvania and Michigan to suggest that totals there were manipulated.

The fundraising page for Stein's recount effort did not mention the New York Magazine report specifically, but said that "data suggests significant discrepancies in vote totals" in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan.

Stein's communications director, Meleiza Figueroa, teased the announcement in a Facebook video on Wednesday afternoon. Figueroa said that "the reports on voting anomalies have been pouring in" and said that there have been news reports with "cyber security experts, computer experts who have been looking at this issue."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jill-stein-recount-fundraising

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Jill Stein Launches Fundraising Effort To Ask For A Recount In 3 States (Original Post) KittyWampus Nov 2016 OP
She won't spend a single penny. RandySF Nov 2016 #1
She's got Bob Fritakis on her team. He's co-written several books on BBV. KittyWampus Nov 2016 #3
If you say so rpannier Nov 2016 #31
Don't you have to pay for a recount in Michigan? JonLP24 Nov 2016 #36
I donated to this. apcalc Nov 2016 #2
725,386.55 RAISED itsrobert Nov 2016 #4
it's going up fast! rollin74 Nov 2016 #5
What happens if she doesn't make it to 2 mil? Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #6
From the site: athena Nov 2016 #7
If it comes to that, maybe we should pay for machines for Pennsylvania. Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #22
For those wondering about the recount costs.... W_HAMILTON Nov 2016 #8
She's cleared a million rpannier Nov 2016 #27
She's already over 1 million KatyBR Nov 2016 #13
Already at 1.4 million! Land Shark Nov 2016 #26
They should focus on Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. roamer65 Nov 2016 #9
They said they're basically going to try to go by which has deadlines first... W_HAMILTON Nov 2016 #10
I hope they get it. N/t roamer65 Nov 2016 #15
It looks like they will. W_HAMILTON Nov 2016 #16
optical scanners are totally hackable; wheter they were actually hacked or not is unknown. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #21
Please explain how to hack an optical scanner. OldRedneck Nov 2016 #23
To me, optical scanners are the best way to vote. Here, many of us mail in our ballots and RKP5637 Nov 2016 #32
I'm not familiar with different systems JonLP24 Nov 2016 #38
OK it looks like Diebold's AccuVote can be hacked in similar ways JonLP24 Nov 2016 #39
Isn't it close enough that they should recount? JonLP24 Nov 2016 #37
I donated bdamomma Nov 2016 #11
DONATE SITE IS HERE -over 1 million dollars donated in 6 hours KatyBR Nov 2016 #12
They obviously don't want my donation. Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #24
You might keep trying -- tons of traffic on the site KatyBR Nov 2016 #28
I finally got it in. Baitball Blogger Nov 2016 #30
Now it is over 1.4 million raised ijust in the last several hours. Wow. Land Shark Nov 2016 #25
K&R...Thanks for posting red dog 1 Nov 2016 #14
I donated. Where's Hillary on this? This is HER fight Arazi Nov 2016 #17
Donated this morning... RobertDevereaux Nov 2016 #18
Let's make this happen! BigBearJohn Nov 2016 #19
donated. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #20
Keep refreshing Action Nov 2016 #33
It's up to 1,442,314.78 now. Just donated! Silver Gaia Nov 2016 #29
Wow! This is encouraging flamingdem Nov 2016 #34
AwRight awRight awRight!1 - may she do us something *USEFUL*!1 n/t UTUSN Nov 2016 #35
Just broke 2 Million! n/t Liberal In Texas Nov 2016 #40
just broke 2.2 million KewlKat Nov 2016 #41
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
3. She's got Bob Fritakis on her team. He's co-written several books on BBV.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:00 PM
Nov 2016

So it seems like she is serious.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
36. Don't you have to pay for a recount in Michigan?
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:51 PM
Nov 2016

A losing candidate can seek a recount in a whole district or in certain precincts, said Fred Woodhams, a spokesman for the Michigan Secretary of State’s Office.
The cost is $25 per precinct if the election is close, or $125 per precinct if it’s not, Woodhams said.
“The money is refunded if the recount changes the result of the election,” he said early Wednesday morning.

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/09/michigan-election-recount-triggered/93527436/

BTW shouldn't a recount be automatically triggered for Michigan.

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
2. I donated to this.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:42 PM
Nov 2016

In my PA county ( Bucks) there are electronic voting machines with no verifiable results.
Hackable? In a heartbeat.

HRC won this county by about 2K, way lower than expected....

athena

(4,187 posts)
7. From the site:
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:25 PM
Nov 2016
https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount

We hope to do recounts in all three states. If we only raise sufficient money for two, we will demand recounts in two states. If we only raise enough money for one, we will demand a recount in one state. If we do not raise enough for any recount (which is highly unlikely) we pledge to use the money for election integrity efforts and to promote systemic voting system reform.


It's already at over $820,000. I donated. Did you?

Baitball Blogger

(46,730 posts)
22. If it comes to that, maybe we should pay for machines for Pennsylvania.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:06 PM
Nov 2016

We'll call it a state welfare case.

W_HAMILTON

(7,867 posts)
8. For those wondering about the recount costs....
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:35 PM
Nov 2016

I read somewhere that Wisconsin is around $1.1 million and the deadline is Friday.

Michigan/Pennsylvania are around $500-$600k each (not sure of the deadline).

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
27. She's cleared a million
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:28 PM
Nov 2016

If Wisconsin is the one with the shortest window, that's where she should start
If all three are same date, then go with Michigan and Pennsylvania since they can cover those costs
That's my two cents

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
9. They should focus on Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:39 PM
Nov 2016

Michigan has a statewide paper ballot system that is read through optical scanners. Sadly, I think our results may not change significantly.

W_HAMILTON

(7,867 posts)
10. They said they're basically going to try to go by which has deadlines first...
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:52 PM
Nov 2016

...and Wisconsin has the first deadline (this Friday).

W_HAMILTON

(7,867 posts)
16. It looks like they will.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:21 PM
Nov 2016

This thing must have gone viral. Every time you refresh, it goes up by several thousand dollars. They'll probably hit the $1.1 million mark for the recount in Wisconsin in just a few minutes......

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
23. Please explain how to hack an optical scanner.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:16 PM
Nov 2016

And, while you're at it, don't forget: An optical scanner requires a paper ballot, which means the paper ballots can be counted manually if need be to verify (or not) the results reported by the scanner.

RKP5637

(67,110 posts)
32. To me, optical scanners are the best way to vote. Here, many of us mail in our ballots and
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:34 PM
Nov 2016

then can verify online they were received OK. Also, as you say, there can be a recount. When I was a kid they had those huge mechanical machines with all of the little levers to vote. I've often wondered how well they really worked, all of the mechanics to be maintained and not fooled with.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
38. I'm not familiar with different systems
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:03 AM
Nov 2016

Since I only ever voted by mail in so I'm not sure if this was the same thing.

Hursti Hack

The Hursti Hack was a successful attempt to alter the votes recorded on a Diebold optical scan voting machine. The hack is named after Harri Hursti.

In a series of four tests conducted in Feb., May, and Dec. 2005, Ion Sancho invited Black Box Voting to Tallahassee after an invitation to check the Diebold machines. Black Box Voting engaged the services of Dr. Herbert Hugh Thompson and Harri Hursti.[1] Dr. Thompson and Hursti believed they could change or hack vote totals without the system detecting entry. The first two projects targeted the computer program that adds up all the voting machine results and produces the final report. On Feb. 14 and again on May 2, Thompson successfully hacked the Diebold GEMS central tabulator and bypassed all passwords by using a Visual Basic script. This, however, would be detected in a vigilant environment if the supervisor of elections checks the poll tapes (voting machine results) against the central tabulator report.

To show that both the results tapes and the central tabulator could be hacked, Black Box Voting then engaged the services of Hursti to hack the poll tapes. Black Box Voting purchased a card reader from the internet and Hursti used it to produce counterfeit memory cards, which successfully altered the voting machine results tapes on May 26, 2005.[2]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hursti_Hack

I'll try to find something specific to the machines in Michigan which is similar to what Arizona has but never used it.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
39. OK it looks like Diebold's AccuVote can be hacked in similar ways
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:23 AM
Nov 2016

Security Concerns

Security Seals Ideally, the OS’s exposed ports, memory card access areas, ballot box doors and case seams would be covered with tamper-evident security seals. The integrity of these seals should be maintained at all times, and only breached under controlled, explained circumstances. Seals should be logged to maintain chain of custody of sensitive materials.

Keys The keys for the AccuVote-OS are the same for all AccuVote-OS machines and are easily pickable with readily available tools. Care should be observed around the ballot box lock and the scanner key lock (turns the system off and on).

Ballot Box Access Optical scan systems have at least one and possible more ballot boxes. Each ballot box should be inspected by a voter at the beginning of voting to make sure that they are empty. These ballot boxes should locked and/or be sealed with tamper-evident tape.

Memory Card is Sensitive Corrupt memory cards may be able introduce viruses, cause the main election server to crash and falsify votes. Access to the memory card should be controlled, monitored and logged at all times.

Correct Inks Some Optical Scan systems have trouble reading red inks or inks with red in them. Voters should use the writing instrument provided at the polling place or, if voting at home, black ballpoint pen that does not bleed through paper.

https://www.verifiedvoting.org/resources/voting-equipment/premier-diebold/accuvote-os/

Election Systems and Software (ES&S) Model 100

Security Concerns

Security Seals Ideally, the M100’s exposed ports, memory card access areas, ballot box doors and case seams would be covered with tamper-evident security seals. The integrity of these seals should be maintained at all times, and only breached under controlled, explained circumstances. Seals should be logged to maintain chain of custody of sensitive materials.

Ballot Box Access Optical scan systems have at least one and possible more ballot boxes. Each ballot box should be inspected by a voter at the beginning of voting to make sure that they are empty. These ballot boxes should locked and/or be sealed with tamper-evident tape.

Memory Card is Sensitive Corrupt memory cards may be able introduce viruses, cause the main election server to crash and falsify votes. Access to the memory card should be controlled, monitored and logged at all times.

Correct Inks Some Optical Scan systems have trouble reading red inks or inks with red in them. Voters should use the writing instrument provided at the polling place or, if voting at home, black ballpoint pen that does not bleed through paper.

Keys The keys for the M100 are the same for all M100 machines and are easily pickable with readily available tools. Care should be observed around the ballot box lock and the scanner key lock (turns the system off and on).

Counterfeit Ballots It is fairly easy to frustrate the counterfeit ballot detection mechanism on the M100. People who produce counterfeit ballots could cast multiple votes and the detectability of these ballots would only depend on how close they appeared to be like the real ballot cards.
https://www.verifiedvoting.org/resources/voting-equipment/ess/m100/

Damn Michigan has the worst electronic voting companies in the state.

Sequoia (Dominion) Optech Insight
Security Concerns

Security Seals Ideally, the Insight’s exposed ports, memory card access areas, ballot box doors and case seams would be covered with tamper-evident security seals. The integrity of these seals should be maintained at all times, and only breached under controlled, explained circumstances. Seals should be logged to maintain chain of custody of sensitive materials.

Ballot Box Access Optical scan systems have at least one and possible more ballot boxes. Each ballot box should be inspected by a voter at the beginning of voting to make sure that they are empty. These ballot boxes should locked and/or be sealed with tamper-evident tape.

Keys The keys for the Insight and Insight Plus models are the same for all machines and are easily pickable with readily available tools. Care should be observed around the ballot box lock and the scanner key lock (turns the system off and on).

Removable Memory Card is Sensitive Corrupt memory cards may be able introduce viruses, cause the main election server to crash and falsify votes. Access to the memory card should be controlled, monitored and logged at all times.

System Chip is Sensitive The main software chip on the Insight, the HPX chip, is easily replaceable with minimal access to an Insight scanner. A malicious HPX chip could count votes incorrectly, selectively accept or reject ballots and ignore system software updates.

Correct Inks Some models of the Optical Scan systems have trouble reading red inks or inks with red in them. Voters should use the writing instrument provided at the polling place or, if voting at home, black ballpoint pen that does not bleed through paper.

https://www.verifiedvoting.org/resources/voting-equipment/sequoia/optech-insight/

Baitball Blogger

(46,730 posts)
24. They obviously don't want my donation.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:20 PM
Nov 2016

Keeps coming up with errors. I need to wait to see if they clocked my credit card four times.

Baitball Blogger

(46,730 posts)
30. I finally got it in.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:31 PM
Nov 2016

She'll hit 1.5 million in the next few minutes. I dare say she'll reach her goal before we sit down to eat turkey dinner tomorrow.

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
17. I donated. Where's Hillary on this? This is HER fight
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 09:22 PM
Nov 2016

Go Jill.

May be the hail mary pass for the Green Party

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