the 2 guys on MSNBC's on All Due Respect said that this should be done...which surprised me...most pundits are saying it's a pipe dream.

Would be so awesome if this creates a different turn? Seems this movement is gaining steam...

I'm holding out for Chris Hayes

If recounts dont happen (and they should) where does the money go?

Yes, I am very cynical at this point.

+++++++++

Just read deeper into the page, the answer sounds good.

I am about to add my pittance to this effort. Fair elections matter!

To her campaign, as indicated by the $2700 limit.

They already have enough for the WI filing deadline. I'd like to see what she does with that. The other deadlines are a bit later.

WI wants more money - now want $3.9million

Steyer, Buffett, Bloomberg, Soros.

Who can do that?

Looks like the word is out.

I think its better to not let the other side have the argument that George Soros is behind this. Let the average donation be $10.

It's now at a little over $800,000.

I donated

over $800K now.

Guess I've been afraid to unleash my sorrow. Anger has felt better.

I may yet cry tears of gratitude before this day is out.

Fitting.

People are speaking with their hard-earned dollars. People are expressing their love of democracy with their donations. This is so beautiful to watch, regardless of what the recount reveals.

can anyone just "buy" a recount if they have the money? or does it have to be a ballot candidate? I.E. Jill Stien

and I have no idea-- someone else will fill us in, I expect

Varies from state to state.

1,011,662.00

(first time I've used that happy smiley for awhile now)

I am sick of not being able to trust the vote counts.

It is not about any candidate. Given that certain things look suspicious, a recount is in order.

and our votes really count. I'll accept the results if an audit actually indicates that orange won. Wouldn't like it, but I'd be much more comfortable feeling like we are a nation of idiots, than that Russia is manipulating our elections.

These are Americans who want their votes counted who are donating.

I wish I could raise 50 K that fast so I could retire with dignity and not lose my job because I am so sick

Even if the results are overturned in Wisconsin, and Michigan goes to Hillary, PA is a problem and that's all Drumpf needs to win.

PA recount explained (before Jill Stein requested a recount), many PA voting machines have no paper trail:

"A candidate can’t actually file for a vote recount under Pennsylvania law. Instead, they would have to challenge a county board regarding its vote computations, and a state appeals judge would have to rule that a statewide recount is necessary. That means the Clinton campaign would either have to request a recount by petition in every voting district or present a prima facie case showing voter fraud. (Prima facie is a lower threshold than beyond a reasonable doubt. A judge would just have to rule that fraud probably occurred in order to call for a recount.)

Leading up to the election, it was Trump and his supporters who faced criticism for claiming this could happen in Pennsylvania. The president-elect, just weeks before the election, told a crowd in Altoona that the “only way” he could lose Pennsylvania is if “cheating” went on. Voter fraud is generally uncommon, and voting irregularities that do occur are often the result of clerical errors that wouldn’t add up to amount to 70,000 votes.

The Clinton campaign would have to present the equivalent of probable cause evidence showing something much more sinister."

http://billypenn.com/2016/11/23/a-pennsylvania-recount-for-hillary-clinton-a-nightmare-scenario-explained/

Two completely different things. I'm pretty sure that the Clinton campaign doesn't have to do anything. Stein was a candidate and I'm pretty sure that means that she can request a recount whether Clinton does anything or not.

That said, you're correct that PA is an uphill climb.

I wasn't inferring that Clinton had to do anything, this blog post/article was written before Jill Stein decided to challenge the results. If you read the whole thing, and replace Clinton with Stein, you'll see what she is up against. She has to convince a judge that massive voter fraud occurred, in the realm of 70K votes. Sorry, I just feel that is highly unlikely, especially with no paper trail in a large majority of PA voting districts.

This is probably why the Clinton camp didn't pursue this. Do you really think a judge is going to give a very expensive recount for a candidate who had .8% of the vote. If Hillary challenged, there might be a better chance, but still very unlikely.

I agreed that PA is difficult, so why are you correcting me on that point when I agreed with you?

Sorry I misunderstood your reply. I just see a recount in PA as probably 98% against. But hey, NY times had Hillary at 98% chance.

To the current amount! About 1.1 million now.

I think Rachel is going there now.

1.3!!!

I just turned her show on and saw orange cheeto giving another powerful speech

UGH

Harking back to Bernie, I gave $27 bucks

I hope this goes somewhere good and at the bare minimum, I hope this makes the Trump camp squirm and go nuts. Hillary got 2 million more votes than Trump. That's a huge deal.

Almost have enough for Pennsylvania as well
Then Michigan is next

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This effort might get some attention.

This why the Dems always loose they never take a stand and fight for anything. Say what you want about Gop policies but they know how to get what they want imagine if the other side had just half the balls of Gop how much more progressive this country would be!!

A mllion dollars for "likely lawyer Fees." Those are akin to fees in a major class action suit. How court filings in WI alone could be that expensive is hard to understand. The Dem party has a lot of lawyers who would do this pro-bono. I believe Stein is taking advantage of people distract by the election to profit herself. Clinton would never do such a thing.

$2-3 million isn't that big an amount in the grand scheme of things. If there is a recount, then there will be efforts to stop it, just like in 2000. Good lawyers will be needed to defend the recount. And since we don't know what will happen, there is necessarily an uncertainty in the amount of money that is needed. If, as the funding page says, any money left over will "go toward election integrity efforts and to promote voting system reform", I'm good with that.

She says the filing fee for WI is $ 1.1 million (which I am trying to verify) but that lawyers fees will likely be another million. Why? That's a huge number of billable hours. Why wouldn't they get lawyers working pro-bono for this?

I fear she is taking advantage of the grief and anxiety people have about Trump to profit for herself.

1,976,665.47

Here are the filing fees and deadlines for each state:

Wisconsin: $1.1 million by Nov 25
Pennsylvania: $.5 million by Nov 28
Michigan: $.6 million by Nov 30

Those are filing fees alone.

The costs associated with recounts are a function of state law. Attorney's fees are likely to be another $2-3 million, then there are the costs of the statewide recount observers in all three states. The total cost is likely to be $6-7 million.

They are just shy of the 2 million at this posting.

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There are additional costs that need to be paid like lawyers and workers that do the recounting.

In case you missed it, the total they estimated they needed was 6 to 7 million. It's in the original post on the website UNDER DETAILS YOU NEED TO KNOW. The 2.5 should cover the costs for the first recount which is WI. Now they are hoping to get enough for the next one, PA, then MI. Someone on one of these threads said that if the vote count reverses the results, then they'd get the filing fee deposits returned to them.


DETAILS YOU NEED TO KNOW -

Here are the filing fees and deadlines for each state:

Wisconsin: $1.1 million by Nov 25
Pennsylvania: $0.5 million by Nov 28
Michigan: $0.6 million by Nov 30

Those are filing fees alone. The costs associated with recounts are a function of state law. Attorney's fees are likely to be another $2-3 million, then there are the costs of the statewide recount observers in all three states. The total cost is likely to be $6-7 million.

that's what they did in florida in 2000, at least in some areas. we need hand counting of all ballots; that is the only thing that is believable.

We will need volunteers to observe the recount in every county in Michigan. Let us know below if you are interested in helping and receiving more information on how you can do so.

Something about a "forensic audit" can be done? I would also assume that not all the machines were only digital so they'd need observers for the other, optical votes.

For me the real question is will drumpf will allow this? Something tells me that he'll be filing a court order to stop them. Hope I'm wrong but Banhim I'm sure is on this.

people are throwing money into a black hole



People like me face losing everything because of disease and 50 K would make all the difference in the world but this effort is making millions and it won't change drumpth from being president


https://www.gofundme.com/pamelas-crohns-disease-relief

For the election, up until the end of September, Stein and the Greens had raised $3.2 million. In two days, she has raised $4.5 million for the recount.

$4,500,306.92 RAISED

Donations slowed down since they hit the second target of $4.5 million yesterday.

in the first days of the recount, I expect donations will skyrocket.

All Stein has to do is hand over the payment by tomorrow.

http://elections.wi.gov/node/4445

Wisconsin tripled their recount cost.

I don't think she'll get much past $7 million, if that far.

But I do wish her well!