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babylonsister

(171,066 posts)
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 09:54 AM Nov 2016

A Battle to Change Medicare Is Brewing, Whether Trump Wants It or Not

Apply only to future beneficiaries? That makes it A-OK? What about their children or grandchildren? I do not understand this cavalier attitude.


A Battle to Change Medicare Is Brewing, Whether Trump Wants It or Not
By ROBERT PEARNOV. 24, 2016

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Republicans have pressed for premium support since Mr. Ryan first included it in a budget blueprint in 2011. As he envisions it, Medicare beneficiaries would buy health insurance from one of a number of competing plans. The traditional fee-for-service Medicare program would compete directly with plans offered by private insurers like Humana, UnitedHealth Group and Blue Cross Blue Shield.

The federal government would contribute the same basic amount toward coverage of each beneficiary in a region. Those who choose more costly options would generally have to pay higher premiums; those who choose plans that cost less than the federal contribution could receive rebates or extra benefits.

Supporters say this approach could save money by stimulating greater price competition among insurers, who would offer plans with lower premiums to attract customers.

Democrats say that premium support would privatize Medicare, replacing the current government guarantee with skimpy vouchers — “coupon care for seniors.” The fear is that the healthiest seniors would choose private insurance, lured by offers of free health club memberships and other wellness programs, leaving traditional Medicare with sicker, more expensive patients and higher premiums.

“Beneficiaries would have to pay much more to stay in traditional fee-for-service Medicare,” said John K. Gorman, a former Medicare official who is now a consultant to many insurers. “Regular Medicare would become the province of affluent beneficiaries who can buy their way out of” private plans.

Republicans say their proposal would apply to future beneficiaries, not to those in or near retirement. But the mere possibility of big changes is causing trepidation among some older Americans.

“I am terrified of vouchers,” said Kim Ebb, 92, who lives in a retirement community in Bethesda, Md., and has diabetes, atrial fibrillation and irritable bowel syndrome. “You get a fixed amount of money to draw on for your expenses. Then you are on your own.”

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/24/us/politics/donald-trump-medicare-republicans.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=0

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dawg

(10,624 posts)
1. Let's not forget that anything that only affects "future" beneficiaries ...
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 10:00 AM
Nov 2016

can be undone before it ever takes effect. All it takes is for us to win one election. And we should use whatever horrible policies they pass as a cudgel to beat them with.

Ultimately, however, they don't care whether we eventually prevail or not. The cuts to "future" beneficiaries will be used to justify tax cuts to "current" millionaires. When we undo the potential benefit cuts four or eight years from now, we'll still be that much further in the hole, and the millionaires will be that much richer.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
2. THIS IS THE SHIT REPUBLICAN DO
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 10:06 AM
Nov 2016

Always, always, always the churn to screw the fuck out of most americans to get people with wealth richer.

And, this country just keeps, time after time, after time, after time, allowing them to do it, and when they fuck things up chew their cuds and moo whatever bullshit the Rs come up with to blame bad luck or the evil liberal boogyman.

And, for all those people who want to think that this or ANY election over the course of the last 30 years were pocketbook election ...

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
3. It all goes back to the root problem that causes most of our problems,
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 10:33 AM
Nov 2016

we allow legal bribes to politicians so that the wealthy always get what they want and it always comes at our expense!

We need Publicly Funded Elections, ending the revolving door, and no more campaign contributions, Super Pacs and Dark Money!

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
4. preaching the choir
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 10:54 AM
Nov 2016

a BLATANTLY obvious need.

But, 60% or so of Americans could give a fuck about it.

haele

(12,655 posts)
5. Whyever does Ryan think the ins. cos. will want to compete w/ Medicare?
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 11:02 AM
Nov 2016

They're bailing from the ACA left and right, even with the amount of "healthy" people in the exchanges. Why would they want to take care of health insurance for the chronically unhealthy, the disabled, and the elderly? No profit there, in fact, it's a loser. Unless they want to expose themselves to class action lawsuit after lawsuit...
Supplemental insurance is about as competitive as fiscally possible for them in Medicare situations.

Haele

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
6. Medicare came into existence because seniors are uninsurable
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 11:32 AM
Nov 2016

Ryan wasn't even born when Medicare became law. He is a fucking libertarian idiot who opposes these programs on the basis of his cult beliefs. He is not intelligent; libertarians never are. He even tries this shit, and it will be the end of his party.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,986 posts)
10. Yet Ryan received Social Security survivor benefits
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:28 PM
Nov 2016

That's known as gang planking. Once you have received government benefits you want to pull up the gang plank behind you so no one else gets them.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
8. HE DOESN'T. Ryan wants to fuck Medicare up so badly that it goes away, like
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 12:59 PM
Nov 2016

they've planned to make the ACA go away. The way to do that is to pretend to 'reform' it and then ensure that all insurance companies basically pull out. Boom. No more medical care for anyone unless you can buy private insurance at premium cost. Don't you see? They don't think ANYONE should have ANY sort of socialized anything. Except, of course, for the big banks. Gotta keep them solvent, ya know?

Nay

(12,051 posts)
9. They'll be priced out of the pool, of course, and will proceed to die early. That's the
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 01:00 PM
Nov 2016

capitalist way.

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