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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI believe that posters who criticize someone over weight or
any other appearance issue should include a current high-resolution full-figure photo of themselves in the post. That would seem to me to be only fair.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)All of a sudden no one would be posting here.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)That would make it unnecessary to post photos of one's self.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)We don't always agree, but you're spot on with this one.
If the cons were insulting one of ours for being overweight, we'd be angry as hell.
Hypocrisy is alive and well on DU, always.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)It's certainly no excuse or example for us.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)do I have to publish my LSAT and GRE scores?
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)We quite naturally should expect our political leaders to be of strong intellect. Sadly, that is not always the case. But low intelligence is a valid criticism of a candidate for office.
However, Trump has illustrated the fact that he is not a brilliant thinker many times, but still appears to have won. Apparently, not enough people care about that attribute.
If you'd like to post your GRE and LSAT scores, though, you're welcome to do so. Frankly, I can't remember my GRE score. It didn't seem important to me at the time, either. I got into grad school, though, so I guess it was adequate.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)So is it really fair to make fun of a presidential candidate for being a dim bulb? Is it easier to become not-stupid than to become not-fat?
I absolutely agree that our leaders should not be dumbasses, but how do we make sure that doesn't happen again, as it clearly did with Bush and even more so with Trump? (I am not, of course, speaking of someone who has actually been diagnosed as developmentally disabled, since obviously that sort of condition is never fair game.) But Bush and Trump are just stupid. And by that I mean intellectually lazy, ill-informed and incurious, such that their probably more or less average IQs are not sufficient to keep them from doing dumb things. According to biographers, Trump doesn't read anything that's not about him. Accordingly, he doesn't know much of anything about anything outside his own bubble. The proper definition of "stupid" in this context therefore should be something like "willfully ignorant." That should be a curable condition. People choose to be that kind of stupid. And we should choose to reject such people if they run for office, but obviously that's not happening.
There's a whole lot of stupid going on. It's dangerous. I guess I'm in favor of stupid-shaming.
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)98th percentile, I forget the number.
I took the GRE at 40 years of age. 98th percentile on the verbal, blew the math part.
You are correct that Trump "appears to have won."
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)Danmel
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The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)or a saggy neck or some such defect. It's just gravity and time ganging up on you and having their way with you. I think double chin observations should be exempt. Also, Trump brought up the issue himself and therefore made it relevant.
femmocrat
(28,394 posts)The tweeters are having some fun with it, too!
"He's so vain....."
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)But the fact that he cares about it so much, after ridiculing others for their appearance, and that he is bullying the media about what pictures to use, is worthy of much derision!
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)his complaining about photos of him in the media showing his double chin. He's 70, FFS. Anybody who's that age will have one unless they've had plastic surgery, and then they look like their face is on too tight. So I will make relentless fun of a vain old man who gripes about unflattering photos of him.
treestar
(82,383 posts)absurd demand to the media they not use an unflattering photo.
mindem
(1,580 posts)you have to post a picture of, well you know.
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tandem5
(2,072 posts)if there's even the slightest chance it pushes him to a psychotic break.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)has I think he's fair game. It's like a christian fundie who preaches family values and has a sordid sex life. You may say that's none of our business and in most cases it wouldn't be, but when it punishes a hypocrite who has made a point to shame and hurt others for what they themselves are guilty are of then they are fair game.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)on the basis of their looks. As a general rule I am against criticizing people for the way they look but I can easily justify an exception for Trump. Here's a guy who looks like a gigantic overripe yam and he's sneering at women for being too unattractive for him to want to grope?? Trump is both stupid and ugly and I don't feel even slightly guilty for saying so.
ecstatic
(32,705 posts)madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)Fuck tRump. He's a fat thin-skinned piece of shit.
madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)No one cared about that.
I despise Trump, but I really don't care about his weight.
More than half this country is overweight (and most likely, more than half the posters here).
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I wouldn't have insulted Churchill, because he actually had SOME redeeming qualities. Trump has NONE.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I really have difficulty even typing his name.
I can't say it. At all.
My mother is 90. She calls him "that person."
mythology
(9,527 posts)Bessie Braddock most notable.
treestar
(82,383 posts)The Orange Disaster should not be mentioned in the same paragraph at Churchill.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Winston Churchill's ability to lift the spirits of the British people in times of adversity were, however, neatly balanced with a sparkling line in withering put-downs.
Now Churchill has topped a poll of history's funniest insults with a famous jibe directed at either the socialist MP Bessie Braddock or the Conservative Lady Astor, the first female MP (depending on which version of the story you hear).
When accused by one of them of being 'disgustingly drunk' the Conservative Prime Minister responded: 'My dear, you are ugly, and whats more, you are disgustingly ugly. But tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be disgustingly ugly.'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/my-dear-you-are-ugly-but-tomorrow-i-shall-be-sober-and-you-will-still-be-ugly-winston-churchill-tops-8878622.html
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)women unattractive. His remark was in response to him being drunk. It wasn't his usual habit to go around calling women ugly and fat, like it is for Trump.
Chemisse
(30,813 posts)I don't care how fat or thin he is; I only care that he is the king of all assholes and he just got handed the crown.
Well said.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)And his obsession with what photos people are using. Move on!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)And probably his Achilles heel.
He won't be able to stand the cartoons, the press (if they ever stop licking his boots), the Congress...
As someone else said, he's thin-skinned. Most people after they reach adulthood can take any sort of harassment.
I don't think he can.
OregonBlue
(7,754 posts)1970 Bulgarian businessman. And the hair. He is just a very unattractive man. Physically and morally. I won't however post fat jokes about him.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)That is so perfect.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Both candidates are overweight. Like me. Like many baby boomers. Trying to make that an issue is a distraction.
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)Franklin Roosevelt was a "cripple" and I consider him our greatest president.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Yes.
TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)noted.
Mike Nelson
(9,956 posts)...I agree. But there are exceptions. For example, Mr. Trump is fond of calling people fat and has bragged about his penis size. Therefore, I have no problem noting his fatness and assuming his penis is small as long as he does not provide detailed photographic proof of the size he suggests.
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)This one doesn't.
DU doesn't want us to say Drumpf is fat. Doesn't want us to say his family fortune started in a whorehouse. That his wife is a s**t. While the country goes down the shitter. Truth means nothing to the p***ygrabber. Nonetheless, we go high. How's that working out?
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)What applies, and what doesn't, according to your rules?
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I can't speak for the OP of course, but the hair and the color...gah!
kcr
(15,317 posts)should take a hike.
Wash. state Desk Jet
(3,426 posts)However I think civility is to the order of appropriate.
BigDemVoter
(4,150 posts)We can make fun of a certain person ALL we want, as he has run his pie hole incessantly about "fat pigs", "fat cows", "Miss Piggy", etc. . . . . The site of his revolting body would be enough to make a freight train take a gravel road.
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Since the Predator-elect has released virtually no information on how healthy he is, we can only speculate. Here's what we do know. He's 70, which makes him the oldest person ever inaugurated for a first term. He obviously overweight, possibly even obese (he can't seem to button his suit jacket over his bulbous gut). According to his own words, he never exercises and considers waving his arms around at one of his rallies as physical activity. He eats greasy, fattening fast food like McDonald's and KFC.
Would I be surprised if he croaked before his term is complete? Not at all.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)someone has to also post their own dick pic for reference?
No thanks. I'll just stick to name calling.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)the person who was the object of the criticism had not previously engaged in the same type of nasty behavior when talking about his opponents.
MFM008
(19,814 posts)FAT FATTY FAT.
I know. Sure I was as well but I've lost 71 pounds with more to come after bariatric surgery.
FAT.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)It has been established that his hands are smaller than average: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/how-small-are-trumps-hands-916593
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)about a specific thing, in defense of fairness. I didn't say people couldn't do as they choose. It was my opinion, but I'm in no position to tell people how they must post. Please feel free to ignore the suggestion.
KT2000
(20,581 posts)he referred to his wife as a monster when she was pregnant.
DFT made himself the issue by criticizing others.
Hypocrisy is the issue here.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)It's OK to do the same thing, then. Interesting...
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,719 posts)Trump's corpulence is not being mocked for its own sake. Nobody's saying, "Ha, ha, look at the fat guy, what a slob, he sucks 'cuz he's fat." What they (and some of us) are saying is, "Here's a guy who looks like a quivering orange sack of blubber stuffed into an expensive suit that doesn't fit, and he has the nerve to call other people fat and ugly?" The difference is pretty obvious to me. I didn't make fun of Chris Christie for being fat although I never hesitated to point out that he was an asshole. But as far as I know Christie, for all his assholiness, wasn't in the habit of mocking other people's fatness. It's a big fat orange pot calling other pots black. It's a big fat ugly guy living in a big fat fake glass house throwing big fat stones. Fuck him. He's fat and orange and ugly and his hands are tiny.
renate
(13,776 posts)Exactly!
Anybody who makes a habit of judging other people's appearance, out loud and in public and in a very disdainful way, forfeits his right to whine when the tables are turned.
KT2000
(20,581 posts)he makes appearance an issue, especially the weight of others.
WhiteTara
(29,718 posts)his health is a national interest and being overweight brings on a host of illnesses.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)He is a seventy year old overweight man who supposedly likes fast food, and what do we actually know about his health?