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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums*Tim Ryan, D Ohio, vs Pelosi for Dem leader, on Lawrence Show.
Said 'surprise' next week, not hearing so much pro-Pelosi, as he 'campaigns' for the job. (My recollection.)
I LIKE Tim Ryan!
rwheeler31
(6,242 posts)in fact he seems the type that would switch parties. I do not know what his plans are if he looses but his area went pretty red.
emulatorloo
(44,164 posts)Who is Tim Ryan? Meet the man challenging Nancy Pelosi
I don't think he's ready for the job yet, but he seems alright.
rainy
(6,092 posts)elleng
(131,063 posts)The district has been Dem since 1977, notwithstanding redistricting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio's_13th_congressional_district
wordpix
(18,652 posts)She may be more "liberal" but Tim Ryan and his exciting way of delivering the Dem message is what we need.
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)His argument boils down to: Trump won with white guys, and I'm a white guy.
elleng
(131,063 posts)we have to do things differently.
JI7
(89,260 posts)i don't get how people can complain about anyone not being liberal enough and then support him.
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La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)How do many so called progressives are championing him over pelosi beats me
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)The "progressive" dream of getting women and minorities out of party leadership and returning it to more knowledgeable white men is almost realized.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)in what way has he established leadership?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)House Leadership requires a lot less tactical savvy when they're in the minority--it's all about stagecraft.
All three House leaders are (1) close to 80 years old and (2) from coastal districts not those in 'flyover land' where we need to improve.
Do Pelosi and Hoyer have an inkling as to how to lead us back in Michigan and Ohio?
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)but that is also not their job. their job is to provide a loud opposition voice to the GOP. To ensure that DEMs don't vote for GOP stances.
The DNC head is more akin to the job you are describing.
also what evidence is there that Ryan helped any Ohio Democrats get elected?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)It's every national leader's job--at least in part--to help rebuild the party in the areas where it's been wiped out.
In particular, we need voices that understand how to appeal to voters and communities that have 'lost' from globalization and changes to the economy--Hoyer and Pelosi represent voters and communities that have won from globalization and changes to the economy.
emulatorloo
(44,164 posts)DWS likes him too!
Who is Tim Ryan? Meet the man challenging Nancy Pelosi
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/who-is-tim-ryan/index.html
Seems like a solid guy. Sounds unlikely he'll be able to challenge Pelosi, as she's experienced and her colleagues trust her to do a great job as minority leader. He seems to be realistic about his chances as well.
elleng
(131,063 posts)hasn't heard too much pro-Pelosi; folks recognize need for change. I sure hope so.
emulatorloo
(44,164 posts)leader etc.
Anyway didn't know much about Ryan before! Def an up and comer to watch!
wordpix
(18,652 posts)make Don the Con and his repuke minions look like imbeciles
emulatorloo
(44,164 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)so if he's the change middle America wants in a Dem, we should give middle America more of Tim Ryan.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)I have no use for Wasserman-Schultz.
I have no use for Republicans in Democratic clothing, which is what Ryan seems to be. Moving right is a losing game and won't win the Democrats anything. It will, in fact, alienate more people than it will attract by seeming to buy into all the right-wing arguments about Democrats.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Did you view the video/other interviews with Ryan? He's a popular Rust Belt Dem in Congress. That means something, bigly.
elleng
(131,063 posts)and folks need to recognize the real thing when it appears, difficult as it may be to change one's mind. I liked Pelosi too, a few years ago, but it doesn't seem she's the right person to continue there now.
skylucy
(3,740 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)Dr. Mullion Blasto
(104 posts)Scary, typical politician's politician.
What has he done or what qualities does he have to knock her off?
Looks to me like he talks that blah blah talk the way career pols do - moving their lips but saying nothing.
drray23
(7,637 posts)who is constructing his argument for being the next leader by being white and from rural Ohio. The minority leader's job is not to go out campaigning but adroitly maneuver in congress to limit the damage the GOP will do. Ryan has zero experience doing that, Pelosi is very good at it.
If we want somebody to go re-energize the party and motivate voters, we need to choose a good DNC leader. It is the job of the DNC to round up voters, not that of the minority leader in congress.
elleng
(131,063 posts)His District, Ohio # 13, takes in a large swath of northeast Ohio, from Youngstown to Akron.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)He apparently knows how to get it done there, and in similar places.
Dr. Mullion Blasto
(104 posts)erinlough
(2,176 posts)Now we need someone who knows how to fight and I know Pelosi does. The Democrats need experience and force and new guys like him to be out in the field convincing the people he can bring into the Democratic Party. We must remember he has been here the whole time Pelosi was failing, why didn't he bring people in then?
There is enough blaming, redistricting and republican control of the rust belt states won this election. When I wrote to my reps from Michigan about the absolute rape of this state I got silence and they were Dems. The thinking needs to get better, not the leader.
mulsh
(2,959 posts)party leadership roles. I also think that who ever is the leader if it isn't Pelosi they'll be fortunate to have her around for advice.
I don't have a problem with Mr. Ryan, in fact it would be funny to have both party leaders with the same last name.
I think Ms. Pelosi has done an excellent job as leader and as speaker and have no problem with her continuing in the leader chair.
RonniePudding
(889 posts)It doesn't necessarily have to be Ryan but 14 years is enough IMO. She has performed admirably, has been a constant source of irritation for the GOP and is a very solid progressive. But it's time for a new face/ideas.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)summer. She is in her late 40's-50ish and said many Dems up for leadership positions are in their 80's. Said the younger Congresspeople can't get in those positions. Absurd. Let the "younger" ones lead. BTW, late 40's-50's is a perfect age for leadership and the hard work/long hours that go along with it.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)If we were talking about House Speaker, I would stick with Pelosi.
But, we're wandering in the wilderness, and I don't think she can lead us out.
WhiteTara
(29,721 posts)I ask, what are his qualifications other than that he is a youngish white male?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)He's not all that, but the problem is that there's no one representing non-coastal America in our House Leadership.
WhiteTara
(29,721 posts)and learn some moves before he decides to "take down the king"
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Clyburn is the youngest of the 3 at 76 years and 4 months.
There needs to be a changing of the guard. There should have been more age and geographic diversity years ago.
What junior positions are available?
WhiteTara
(29,721 posts)Let's burn it down.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)We already have a very small minority of the House.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)just because it is new, is foolish. Pelosi is good right where she is.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)You forgot to add Tim Ryan is from the OH rust belt. Dems representing the rust belt are becoming more rare. I'm for Ryan, and I don't care that he's a white male. Maybe the rust belt will listen to him.
WhiteTara
(29,721 posts)What is his knowledge of arcane rules in the House? What are the tests of his negotiating skills? How will he be able to pull all the different factions of the party together to work for the good of the whole? Beside the fact that he is an acceptable looking white man in his 40s, what does he really have to offer? Or is this another Change For Change Sake? Or is this part of the purge of women in the party leadership? Just asking.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Republicans have a big majority that will ram through whatever they want with no need to get Pelosi's input, now that Trump is President.
WhiteTara
(29,721 posts)of the wheel. But hey, I'm not in the House, so my input doesn't count.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I like him.