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*Tim Ryan, D Ohio, vs Pelosi for Dem leader, on Lawrence Show. (Original Post) elleng Nov 2016 OP
I do not like him at all, rwheeler31 Nov 2016 #1
Don't think that's fair. I read this profile on him here, seems like a solid guy emulatorloo Nov 2016 #8
I'm for Tim Ryan!!! rainy Nov 2016 #2
Thanks for responding. elleng Nov 2016 #7
young, fire in the belly, great delivery - we need him over Pelosi wordpix Nov 2016 #27
Not a fan. JaneQPublic Nov 2016 #3
I didn't hear that, but elleng Nov 2016 #4
Tim Ryan means we move right JI7 Nov 2016 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Nov 2016 #10
Agreed, he was anti choice till last year La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #12
External genitalia is the reason. BobbyDrake Nov 2016 #20
i noticed how we are only asking for the heads of women. What did Ryan do to help democrats in Ohio? La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #21
Hoyer and Clyburn should go too. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #23
Do Pelosi and Hoyer have an inkling as to how to lead us back in Michigan and Ohio? no/maybe not La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #24
the themes around which they organize their opposition is important. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #25
"Wasserman Schultz, who called Ryan one of her "closest friends" on CNN recently" emulatorloo Nov 2016 #6
I agree, solid guy, and also realistic tho did say maybe 'surprise' next week; elleng Nov 2016 #9
A few pro-Pelosi arguments covered in article. Experience, solid liberal, good at her job as party emulatorloo Nov 2016 #11
all good qualities but Tim Ryan is a strong, smart speaker, which we need to wordpix Nov 2016 #28
Not sure that's the main part of the job. He can still do that though! emulatorloo Nov 2016 #32
Ryan is correct that the American people voted for change. They voted for him & Trump in OH wordpix Nov 2016 #34
That's enough for me not to like him. alarimer Nov 2016 #18
"Republicans in Democratic clothing, which is what Ryan seems to be" - not true wordpix Nov 2016 #35
Thanks. BIGLY is right, elleng Nov 2016 #43
Ryan is not up to the job. He is not impressive at all. Dems need to keep Pelosi. skylucy Nov 2016 #13
such BS, and you didn't even back up your statement wordpix Nov 2016 #29
Agreed. Something about him makes my skin crawl. Dr. Mullion Blasto Nov 2016 #36
he is an unknown back bencher drray23 Nov 2016 #14
He is not from rural Ohio. elleng Nov 2016 #15
a Dem leader in that part of OH rust belt is just what we need wordpix Nov 2016 #30
True! elleng Nov 2016 #38
Excellent analysis. n/t Dr. Mullion Blasto Nov 2016 #37
At first I favored him, I still think he's important, but erinlough Nov 2016 #16
Nancy Pelosi is 76 and probably going to retire some day. I'd like to see some fresh faces in mulsh Nov 2016 #17
Time for Pelosi to go RonniePudding Nov 2016 #19
my Congresswoman lamented the average age of Dem leadership when I heard her speak last wordpix Nov 2016 #33
Dem leadership desperately needs new, non-coastal blood geek tragedy Nov 2016 #22
Is this white male god desire? WhiteTara Nov 2016 #40
represents the industrial midwest in Congress. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #41
maybe he should take a junior position WhiteTara Nov 2016 #44
combined age of top 3 Dems currently is 229 years. geek tragedy Nov 2016 #46
You're right. WhiteTara Nov 2016 #47
Burn what down? geek tragedy Nov 2016 #49
I think this wanting to replace the old with the new DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #26
who says that's the only reason? geesh wordpix Nov 2016 #31
Glad you like him. But what are his qualifications? WhiteTara Nov 2016 #39
Knowledge of House rules and negotiating skills pretty much irrelevant for a House minority leader geek tragedy Nov 2016 #42
knowledge also helps put jams in the cogs WhiteTara Nov 2016 #45
He sounds like a down to earth Democrat lunatica Nov 2016 #48
I agree. elleng Nov 2016 #50

rwheeler31

(6,242 posts)
1. I do not like him at all,
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 11:48 PM
Nov 2016

in fact he seems the type that would switch parties. I do not know what his plans are if he looses but his area went pretty red.

emulatorloo

(44,164 posts)
8. Don't think that's fair. I read this profile on him here, seems like a solid guy
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:13 AM
Nov 2016

Who is Tim Ryan? Meet the man challenging Nancy Pelosi

I don't think he's ready for the job yet, but he seems alright.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
27. young, fire in the belly, great delivery - we need him over Pelosi
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 04:11 PM
Nov 2016

She may be more "liberal" but Tim Ryan and his exciting way of delivering the Dem message is what we need.

JI7

(89,260 posts)
5. Tim Ryan means we move right
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:07 AM
Nov 2016

i don't get how people can complain about anyone not being liberal enough and then support him.

Response to JI7 (Reply #5)

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
12. Agreed, he was anti choice till last year
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:36 AM
Nov 2016

How do many so called progressives are championing him over pelosi beats me

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
20. External genitalia is the reason.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:19 PM
Nov 2016

The "progressive" dream of getting women and minorities out of party leadership and returning it to more knowledgeable white men is almost realized.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
21. i noticed how we are only asking for the heads of women. What did Ryan do to help democrats in Ohio?
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:24 PM
Nov 2016

in what way has he established leadership?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
23. Hoyer and Clyburn should go too.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:29 PM
Nov 2016

House Leadership requires a lot less tactical savvy when they're in the minority--it's all about stagecraft.

All three House leaders are (1) close to 80 years old and (2) from coastal districts not those in 'flyover land' where we need to improve.

Do Pelosi and Hoyer have an inkling as to how to lead us back in Michigan and Ohio?

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
24. Do Pelosi and Hoyer have an inkling as to how to lead us back in Michigan and Ohio? no/maybe not
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:30 PM
Nov 2016

but that is also not their job. their job is to provide a loud opposition voice to the GOP. To ensure that DEMs don't vote for GOP stances.

The DNC head is more akin to the job you are describing.

also what evidence is there that Ryan helped any Ohio Democrats get elected?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
25. the themes around which they organize their opposition is important.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:37 PM
Nov 2016

It's every national leader's job--at least in part--to help rebuild the party in the areas where it's been wiped out.

In particular, we need voices that understand how to appeal to voters and communities that have 'lost' from globalization and changes to the economy--Hoyer and Pelosi represent voters and communities that have won from globalization and changes to the economy.

emulatorloo

(44,164 posts)
6. "Wasserman Schultz, who called Ryan one of her "closest friends" on CNN recently"
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:11 AM
Nov 2016

DWS likes him too!

Who is Tim Ryan? Meet the man challenging Nancy Pelosi
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/who-is-tim-ryan/index.html

Seems like a solid guy. Sounds unlikely he'll be able to challenge Pelosi, as she's experienced and her colleagues trust her to do a great job as minority leader. He seems to be realistic about his chances as well.

elleng

(131,063 posts)
9. I agree, solid guy, and also realistic tho did say maybe 'surprise' next week;
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:14 AM
Nov 2016

hasn't heard too much pro-Pelosi; folks recognize need for change. I sure hope so.

emulatorloo

(44,164 posts)
11. A few pro-Pelosi arguments covered in article. Experience, solid liberal, good at her job as party
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 12:20 AM
Nov 2016

leader etc.

Anyway didn't know much about Ryan before! Def an up and comer to watch!

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
28. all good qualities but Tim Ryan is a strong, smart speaker, which we need to
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 04:13 PM
Nov 2016

make Don the Con and his repuke minions look like imbeciles

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
34. Ryan is correct that the American people voted for change. They voted for him & Trump in OH
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 04:29 PM
Nov 2016

so if he's the change middle America wants in a Dem, we should give middle America more of Tim Ryan.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
18. That's enough for me not to like him.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 02:21 PM
Nov 2016

I have no use for Wasserman-Schultz.

I have no use for Republicans in Democratic clothing, which is what Ryan seems to be. Moving right is a losing game and won't win the Democrats anything. It will, in fact, alienate more people than it will attract by seeming to buy into all the right-wing arguments about Democrats.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
35. "Republicans in Democratic clothing, which is what Ryan seems to be" - not true
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 04:31 PM
Nov 2016

Did you view the video/other interviews with Ryan? He's a popular Rust Belt Dem in Congress. That means something, bigly.

elleng

(131,063 posts)
43. Thanks. BIGLY is right,
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:24 PM
Nov 2016

and folks need to recognize the real thing when it appears, difficult as it may be to change one's mind. I liked Pelosi too, a few years ago, but it doesn't seem she's the right person to continue there now.

 

Dr. Mullion Blasto

(104 posts)
36. Agreed. Something about him makes my skin crawl.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 04:37 PM
Nov 2016

Scary, typical politician's politician.

What has he done or what qualities does he have to knock her off?

Looks to me like he talks that blah blah talk the way career pols do - moving their lips but saying nothing.

drray23

(7,637 posts)
14. he is an unknown back bencher
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:28 AM
Nov 2016

who is constructing his argument for being the next leader by being white and from rural Ohio. The minority leader's job is not to go out campaigning but adroitly maneuver in congress to limit the damage the GOP will do. Ryan has zero experience doing that, Pelosi is very good at it.
If we want somebody to go re-energize the party and motivate voters, we need to choose a good DNC leader. It is the job of the DNC to round up voters, not that of the minority leader in congress.

elleng

(131,063 posts)
15. He is not from rural Ohio.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:35 AM
Nov 2016

His District, Ohio # 13, takes in a large swath of northeast Ohio, from Youngstown to Akron.

erinlough

(2,176 posts)
16. At first I favored him, I still think he's important, but
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:35 PM
Nov 2016

Now we need someone who knows how to fight and I know Pelosi does. The Democrats need experience and force and new guys like him to be out in the field convincing the people he can bring into the Democratic Party. We must remember he has been here the whole time Pelosi was failing, why didn't he bring people in then?
There is enough blaming, redistricting and republican control of the rust belt states won this election. When I wrote to my reps from Michigan about the absolute rape of this state I got silence and they were Dems. The thinking needs to get better, not the leader.

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
17. Nancy Pelosi is 76 and probably going to retire some day. I'd like to see some fresh faces in
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 01:47 PM
Nov 2016

party leadership roles. I also think that who ever is the leader if it isn't Pelosi they'll be fortunate to have her around for advice.

I don't have a problem with Mr. Ryan, in fact it would be funny to have both party leaders with the same last name.

I think Ms. Pelosi has done an excellent job as leader and as speaker and have no problem with her continuing in the leader chair.

 

RonniePudding

(889 posts)
19. Time for Pelosi to go
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:11 PM
Nov 2016

It doesn't necessarily have to be Ryan but 14 years is enough IMO. She has performed admirably, has been a constant source of irritation for the GOP and is a very solid progressive. But it's time for a new face/ideas.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
33. my Congresswoman lamented the average age of Dem leadership when I heard her speak last
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 04:23 PM
Nov 2016

summer. She is in her late 40's-50ish and said many Dems up for leadership positions are in their 80's. Said the younger Congresspeople can't get in those positions. Absurd. Let the "younger" ones lead. BTW, late 40's-50's is a perfect age for leadership and the hard work/long hours that go along with it.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
22. Dem leadership desperately needs new, non-coastal blood
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:25 PM
Nov 2016

If we were talking about House Speaker, I would stick with Pelosi.

But, we're wandering in the wilderness, and I don't think she can lead us out.

WhiteTara

(29,721 posts)
40. Is this white male god desire?
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:06 PM
Nov 2016

I ask, what are his qualifications other than that he is a youngish white male?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
41. represents the industrial midwest in Congress.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:11 PM
Nov 2016

He's not all that, but the problem is that there's no one representing non-coastal America in our House Leadership.

WhiteTara

(29,721 posts)
44. maybe he should take a junior position
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:59 PM
Nov 2016

and learn some moves before he decides to "take down the king"

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
46. combined age of top 3 Dems currently is 229 years.
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 06:21 PM
Nov 2016

Clyburn is the youngest of the 3 at 76 years and 4 months.

There needs to be a changing of the guard. There should have been more age and geographic diversity years ago.

What junior positions are available?

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
26. I think this wanting to replace the old with the new
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 03:55 PM
Nov 2016

just because it is new, is foolish. Pelosi is good right where she is.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
31. who says that's the only reason? geesh
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 04:17 PM
Nov 2016

You forgot to add Tim Ryan is from the OH rust belt. Dems representing the rust belt are becoming more rare. I'm for Ryan, and I don't care that he's a white male. Maybe the rust belt will listen to him.

WhiteTara

(29,721 posts)
39. Glad you like him. But what are his qualifications?
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:04 PM
Nov 2016

What is his knowledge of arcane rules in the House? What are the tests of his negotiating skills? How will he be able to pull all the different factions of the party together to work for the good of the whole? Beside the fact that he is an acceptable looking white man in his 40s, what does he really have to offer? Or is this another Change For Change Sake? Or is this part of the purge of women in the party leadership? Just asking.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
42. Knowledge of House rules and negotiating skills pretty much irrelevant for a House minority leader
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 05:14 PM
Nov 2016

Republicans have a big majority that will ram through whatever they want with no need to get Pelosi's input, now that Trump is President.

WhiteTara

(29,721 posts)
45. knowledge also helps put jams in the cogs
Tue Nov 29, 2016, 06:02 PM
Nov 2016

of the wheel. But hey, I'm not in the House, so my input doesn't count.

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