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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA 1967 experiment turned perfectly normal US teenagers into full-blown fascists within a mere week.
http://libcom.org/history/remembering-third-wave-leslie-weinfieldWhat came to be known as the "Third Wave" began at Cubberly High School in Palo Alto as a game without any direct reference to Nazi Germany, says Ron Jones, who had just begun his first teaching job in the 1966-67 academic year. When a social studies student asked about the German public's responsibility for the rise of the Third Reich, Jones decided to try and simulate what happened in Germany by having his students "basically follow instructions" for a day.
But one day turned into five, and what happened by the end of the school week spawned several documentaries, studies and related social experiments illuminating a dark side of human nature - and a major weakness in public education.
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Jones decided he had to end the experiment immediately, but without losing the point of the lesson. He had the three skeptics escorted to the library for their own safety, and then told those remaining that the Third Wave was more than an exercise, that it was more than just a game.
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"There is no Third Wave movement, no leader," he told the stunned audience. "You and I are no better or worse than the citizens of the Third Reich. We would have worked in the defense plants. We will watch our neighbors be taken away, and do nothing," Jones said, referring to the three skeptics exiled to the library for the crime of disbelief. "We're just like those Germans. We would give our freedom up for the chance of being special."
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"A big reason I went along with it was my trust for Jones," Neel says. Moveover, he "was just beginning to feel bitter about Vietnam, and part of the experiment seemed like we could change the government responsible for hurting us. There was a feeling something really remarkable was going to happen, going on throughout the country - that the movement was going to change politics, change the structure of school. The combination of everything made it happen, and boy, did it happen."
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"Fascism is always a possibility because it's so simple and people are frustrated. They lose their jobs, their dignity, their sense of worth, and someone comes along and says, "I've got the answer."
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This article was written in 1991.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Thanks for posting.
Just wow.
Red Oak
(697 posts)I assume these students were well off, with few money issues, yet still fell into place. Quickly.
How much easier a Trump would have it with many people in dire financial straights and with a surveillance system in place.
Damned scary stuff.
I wonder if today's social media be the antidote of such group think or just the fuel for the fire?
malthaussen
(17,215 posts)Conformity is the great virtue, and nowhere more so than in secondary school, where even those who want to be non-conformists adopt some fashionable means. The desire to be though well of by one's community is deeply rooted in herd psychology. Suffering or oppression may lead to revolution, but it is complacency that leads to counter-revolution.
-- Mal
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,189 posts)They made a movie on it a year or two ago. Really chilling how quickly people can be "turned" sadistic.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)csziggy
(34,136 posts)Which preceded the experiment in the OP article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
As Lord Acton said, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men." That is why no one should be above the law and there should always be checks and balances to control the powerful.
malthaussen
(17,215 posts)... few would have taken it seriously.
-- Mal
niyad
(113,510 posts)following along.
the end was just chilling --"you are here to meet the leader of this movement (paraphrasing, has been a lot of years). they are taken into an auditorium, and a picture of hitler is revealed.
rug
(82,333 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I've never heard of The Third Wave nor the prison experiment.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)I just wanted to say that. Yes, authoritarians use fear and anger.
But there are ways to overcome that.
vkkv
(3,384 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)as I head to work.
rurallib
(62,433 posts)shortly after that.
Trying to teach children about discrimination shortly after Dr. King was shot, a 3rd grade teacher ran a subtle experiment in which intelligence was linked to eye color. It took on a life of its own quickly.
Here is an article about it if you are interested:
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/lesson-of-a-lifetime-72754306/?all
The story has been on PBS Frontline before.
It is an interesting corollary to your story. IIRC one component of fascism is a scapegoat.
BTW - that was one hell of a read
Locrian
(4,522 posts)something to remember when people think that it would never be "them" that become fascists
maybe labeling the system vs the people makes mores sense re trump supporters....
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Though the term didnt exist at the time, Milgram was a proponent of what todays social psychologists call situationism: the idea that peoples behavior is determined largely by whats happening around them. Theyre not psychopaths, and theyre not hostile, and theyre not aggressive or deranged. Theyre just people, like you and me, Miller said. If you put us in certain situations, were more likely to be racist or sexist, or we may lie, or we may cheat. There are studies that show this, thousands and thousands of studies that document the many unsavory aspects of most people.
But continued to its logical extreme, situationism has an exonerating effect, he said. In the minds of a lot of people, it tends to excuse the bad behavior its not the persons fault for doing the bad thing, its the situation they were put in. Milgrams studies were famous because their implications were also devastating: If the Nazis were just following orders, then he had proved that anyone at all could be a Nazi. If the guards at Abu Ghraib were just following orders, then anyone was capable of torture.
The latter, Reicher said, is part of why interest in Milgrams work has seen a resurgence in recent years. If you look at acts of human atrocity, theyve hardly diminished over time, he said, and news of the abuse at Abu Ghraib was surfacing around the same time that Yales archival material was digitized, a perfect storm of encouragement for scholars to turn their attention once again to the question of what causes evil.
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/rethinking-one-of-psychologys-most-infamous-experiments/384913/
I'm trying to track down one that explains 2016 polling where a lot of people with bigoted beliefs will not show it unless they can do it anonymously.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Initech
(100,097 posts)Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)Mistakes Were Made (But Not by Me): Why We Justify Foolish Beliefs, Bad Decisions, and Hurtful Acts, by Carol Tavris and Elliot Aronson.
I think the authors do and excellent job of discussing cognitive dissonance theory and showing how it affects just about everyone's behavior in ways that make human beings likely to make and then refuse to accept that we've made mistakes. Sometimes, very serious mistakes.
I honestly think this book ought to be read by every single person past the age of about 11.
A good summary can be found here.
Chathamization
(1,638 posts)different from how he describes. Have a look here (pdf page 5, newspaper page 3). Seems like something he's been grossly exaggerating for years for his own personal benefit.
burrowowl
(17,642 posts)mia
(8,361 posts)Thank you for posting this.