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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm a shrink. Here's what I think.
The Washington Post missed the point about Trump's behavior in their editorial today, "Mr. Trump's corrosive overreaction." They said his claims of voter fraud were "baseless" because he was accusing the Democrats of fraud. His claims were baseless but his purpose was to deflect.
As I am a mental health professional, for me the motivation for his "overreaction" is clear. When he says, "millions of people voted illegally" for Hillary, he manipulated the press to question whether Democrats voted illegally which lead the press away from investigating vote rigging. More than likely, he is aware of vote tampering. As you recall, during the debates he kept saying the election was riggedwithin that steely brain, he knew that it was rigged, for him. One can assume he is privy to the purging of millions of Clinton votes and/or millions of voters illegally voting for him. This is what is underneath his swagger and accusations. When he described Mrs. Clinton as "Lying Hillary" and "Crooked Hillary" he was taking the onus off his lying, cheating, illegal behavior. The Post and the rest of the press in their naiveté, were duped.
Mr. Trump is a psychopath. He is manipulative, lacks empathy, is charming, disregards the rights of others or laws and feels little or no guilt. His only motivation is to win, regardless of the consequences to the United States or the world.
elleng
(131,054 posts)and adding some detail. How do you see the future, that is, how will he handle day to day work of the job?
Chalco
(1,308 posts)A psychopath with ADHD plus impulsivity is dangerous and can't be trusted. I am terrified.
elleng
(131,054 posts)MAYBE the 25th Amendment will help.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=412478
grillo7
(284 posts)equally worried.
ms liberty
(8,591 posts)He is NOT charming, not at all!
BSdetect
(8,998 posts)TNNurse
(6,929 posts)I see no charm. His voice and his face are highly irritating. His words are bigoted, ignorant of how government works and mostly about how things help him....not any of us.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Vulgar, obnoxious and stupid - and still thinks he is the most amazing man in the world. I have never seen someone so blind to their own faults. I saw a documentary on him last night where he was telling a crowd "People love me, people just love me!" It made me want to puke.
bdamomma
(63,917 posts)and wants to be admired as a emperor/king/dictator take your pick.
what strategy can we use to stop this?
Cha
(297,503 posts)raging moderate
(4,307 posts)I don't think this was a coincidence. I suspect it was orchestrated. Most of our news media is now owned by right-wing billionaires. And supported by their mostly-rightwing corporate buddies through advertising dollars.
Ilsa
(61,696 posts)barbtries
(28,810 posts)he's going to be president. it's just so hard to imagine how much damage he can do.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)and poised to be our next president... I am angry that we can do nothing about this horrendous fact...
nolabels
(13,133 posts)The biggest thing he has yet to face his own inner issues with any consequence. Yea, maybe he is a sociopath or something else that hard for others to comprehend, but even they eventually get humbled at some point in their life. The best thing is that he is going to be much too busy being a fool at everything else for that to be a problem.
You know they say that most everyone reaches a point where the failure in some part of their life shakes the soul loose so they can understand what life is about. We might get to see that point and i don't worry about it cause i know it will be a bumpy ride no matter what takes place. The world is just a rock spinning in space and it serves all in ways they never anticipated
Chalco
(1,308 posts)They are incapable of that feeling. He would instead deflect, accuse, change the subject.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)Mostly from what i have observed and studied is that they reserve that type of placement for rather violent and uncontrolled persons and I am pretty sure Mr Trump is not anywhere near that definition
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)It is not the image we like to have when we think of business leaders. But troubling research indicates that in the ranks of senior management, psychopathic behavior may be more common than we think more prevalent in fact than the amount such seriously aberrant behavior occurs in the general population.
At first blush this may seem counterintuitive, even outrageous. We tend to think of psychopathy as the province of criminals, with leadership qualities that may land someone atop a fringe religious cult, say not in a boardroom. But before discussing the research, lets consider for a moment why this possibility is actually less bizarre than it may initially seem.
The hallmarks of the psychopathic personality involve egocentric, grandiose behavior, completely lacking empathy and conscience. Additionally, psychopaths may be charismatic, charming, and adept at manipulating one-on-one interactions. In a corporation, ones ability to advance is determined in large measure by a persons ability to favorably impress his or her direct manager. Unfortunately, certain of these psychopathic qualities in particular charm, charisma, grandiosity (which can be mistaken for vision or confidence) and the ability to perform convincingly in one-on-one settings are also qualities that can help one get ahead in the business world.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/victorlipman/2013/04/25/the-disturbing-link-between-psychopathy-and-leadership/#4badd5ae2740
Life as a Nonviolent Psychopath
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/01/life-as-a-nonviolent-psychopath/282271/
nolabels
(13,133 posts)I seems kind of backwards to me at any rate. Dealing with the mind would be Psycho and dealing with groups of people would be Socio. The one sure thing to surmise is that we trying to understand a mind that has predatory tendencies. The shades of gray which says it this way or that way probably ebb and flow even from minute to minute. The other thing is he has shown tendencies that he might have a place in him that carries empathy. This could be a good or bad thing depending how it gets hidden away and frowned on from others around him. Which brings up another thing to wonder about in which he seems kind of impressionable here or there. No doubt in my mind that he a rare bird
How to Tell a Sociopath from a Psychopath | Psychology Today
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwitzOac18_QAhVDlFQKHZoTCiMQFggbMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.psychologytoday.com%2Fblog%2Fwicked-deeds%2F201401%2Fhow-tell-sociopath-psychopath&usg=AFQjCNE_jsnje8KwaeQwytWlbUpvZl4qfg&sig2=YilEUUt_W3lMaYFg_5a3Mw&bvm=bv.139782543,d.cGw
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)llmart
(15,548 posts)He may be the epitome of a sociopath, but they are not rare. I've met a few in my life - was even married to one. They NEVER have that epiphany moment you speak of. There isn't a humble bone in their bodies. They never see themselves as capable of dying because how would the world ever get along without them - they are that great (in their own minds).
nolabels
(13,133 posts)to exploit the the things he thought he could and did get away with till this time. What goes on in his head seems more strange than most, he might even be in touch with a multiple personality disorder. At any rate you can be sure he knows something about his issues otherwise that special down time away from others would not be so important to him.
Another facet you might want relate is the issues with reality. He sees the world one way and then sometimes almost everybody else sees it another. Most people with type of issue are not to brazen about it with the rest of the world to see it their way but he is. That comes from the position he has had in society till he got to this point. Yea in many ways its bad, but then again you might understand the fable about the tangled web.
bdamomma
(63,917 posts)but there is power in numbers, I am not ready to do this
handmade34
(22,756 posts)never giving up!! I will fight as long as it takes... just wish an action of mine could make things better sooner than later...
bdamomma
(63,917 posts)by saying this don't you wish you had powers to just re-erase all this and get us back to normalcy.
underpants
(182,861 posts)It's a staple of talk radio.
LisaM
(27,820 posts)I've never, ever liked the salesman type. Reagan literally made my skin crawl when he'd start talking in that snake oil salesman voice.
Other than that, spot on.
Chalco
(1,308 posts)But, many are, unfortunately.
OregonBlue
(7,754 posts)the country or the world.
Retrograde
(10,145 posts)As long as he "wins" he doesn't care how many people he tramples into the ground.
OregonBlue
(7,754 posts)and he doesn't love her, he lusts after her.
wishstar
(5,271 posts)Trump felt compelled to tear down the dominant narrative spreading throughout the media that Hillary had actually won the popular vote by more than 2 million more votes and he doesn't really have a mandate, so he deliberately sabotaged and tarnished her popular vote lead.
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)As you know it's an = opportunity disorder more often identified in females but . . .
From ICD-10
√ shallow and labile affectivity,
√ self-dramatization,
√ theatricality,
√ exaggerated expression of emotions,
√ suggestibility,
√ egocentricity,
√ self-indulgence,
√ lack of consideration for others,
√ easily hurt feelings, and
√ continuous seeking for appreciation, excitement and attention.
Red hats. Need to be "the guy," only one, big kahuna. Obsessive, inappropriate sexuality, constant use of attractive females as props to attempt to make himself look more appealing. Short fucking attention span. Everything listed above.
Ilsa
(61,696 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)It's a long-standing habit, as seen in countless photos including this charity golf tournament photo. He knows red pulls the eye, looks "exciting."
Using the placement of beautiful women as display objects to make himself more appealing.
Google "Trump at convention" it's wall-to-wall red ties.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)bdamomma
(63,917 posts)not healthy at all
Hekate
(90,769 posts)world wide wally
(21,751 posts)Then if he says something nice about someone or something, it seems so much more important and sincere and people are bowled over. In other words, he sets the bar so fucking low for himself, that even if he exhibits the smallest shred of human decency, people think he is alright after all.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I'm not a 'shrink,' whatever that is.
I figured him out many months ago....
Chalco
(1,308 posts)I m licensed. I don't want to be found.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)OK. deal...won't give you away..
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Kablooie
(18,637 posts)It's a consistent trait that he uses over and over.
womanofthehills
(8,751 posts)If someone accuses you of something you know isn't true, it's what they are doing or thinking.
My very critical neighbor who gossips in a mean way about everyone, came over to my house and out of the blue said to me "I don't think you like me". I just turned it around and told her "I think it's you who don't like me." She gave me a look of total confusion and than changed the subject.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,175 posts)How he set up the media and even the Democrats into being forced to publicly declare what a ridiculous idea it was that there is any way the election could be "rigged". ( they had to be dragged kicking into the vote recount)
MFM008
(19,818 posts)Or disabled by bad health within 2 years.
The stress will be astronomical.
bdamomma
(63,917 posts)insomnia, eating fast food and tweeting at 3 a.m. I wonder if that orange color will drain from his face.
Greybnk48
(10,170 posts)when Trump said we should cancel the election and give it to him because he was going to win? He knew then! I thought that was such a bizarre thing to say, unless you're correct. Then it makes sense.
byronius
(7,398 posts)I've also heard Borderline Personality Disorder.
Like Adolf.
florida08
(4,106 posts)But can recognize mental illness fairly well. He is everything you said and more. He doubles down when caught in a lie. He is out of his element now so he will be seeking the approval of the old guard in congress. Meaning he will cajole and acquiesce to whatever they want. The people who thought he was tough are in for a rude awakening. He is a narcissist to the tenth degree.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)I am debating sending a letter to the Washington Post but am frankly scared of the consequences.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)Do you have Democratic representation you could sent it to?
Chalco
(1,308 posts)bdamomma
(63,917 posts)Washington Post or NY Times. You don't need to submit your name you can be anonymous can't you?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)perdita9
(1,144 posts)He's a bully with an over-inflated sense of entitlement.
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)Honestly, I can not fathom why anyone would vote for him
lindysalsagal
(20,718 posts)The lunatic argument doesn't hold water with me: I think he's sane as rain: And that the really chilling part:
He knows what the majority of disenfranchised voters want to hear:
It's ok to resent those who are doing better, and it's ok to scapegoat anyone who's doing worse.
This is a mental perspective that relieves weaker people of their own responsibilities: Everything is someone else's fault. Only psychology explains this election.
That is exactly why they will tolerate all of the cognitive dissonances:
He's a womannizer but he's also christian.
He's pro-choice but he's a republican.
He lies about his taxes but he's a straight talker.
He defaults on all his loans but he's a brilliant businessman.
He'll defend their rights to guns but clearly doesn't know about the constitution.
kebob
(499 posts)Never mix tequila with Scotch!
WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)The rejection is immediate and violent. It's worse than when someone yells, "He got the worm!!"
WheelWalker
(8,955 posts)Hamlette
(15,412 posts)When I registered to vote I was required to show proof of citizenship and residency. If my name is not on the rolls I won't be allowed to vote. Did Trump get millions of people to forge birth certificates?
And the voting machines everyone complains about are not connected to the internet so hacking would have to be done on the individual machines or the counting devices at the local level where the votes are counted.
I have never understood how people think this is done on a large scale. I don't think Trump did it anymore than I think she did. Too many people would have to be in on the scam. But then, I think Oswald acted alone so there you have it.
bucolic_frolic
(43,249 posts)for an inactive voter, perhaps stand-ins could pad the vote count, if the
stand-in could reasonably forge the signature. More likely it was electronic
padding, vote-flipping, remotely, electronically. Impossible? Recall the
devices that LE and ER crews can use to flip or freeze traffic lights in an
emergency. I'm no tech guru, but I'd be quite surprised if such wireless
devices weren't technically feasible.
moondust
(20,002 posts)I've never worked at a polling place but it would seem that precinct totals somehow get handed up to county totals which get handed up to state totals which get handed up to national totals. If somebody (say, in Russia) got an insider's tip on how to gain access to the the totals at a key point along the way maybe the numbers could be fudged.
Before machine voting the counting and handoffs were probably done with pencil and paper over the phone. I used to wonder if (Reaganite) political operatives could be strategically placed at the handoff points to pass along fudged numbers.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)for one thing, the vote totals are available to check after the election. As a judge, I also remembered what the final vote tally was for the office I was watching and checked it with our secretary of state's records after the total was tallied.
womanofthehills
(8,751 posts)The Republicans have a scam called Crosscheck with a list of 7.2 million - purged one million off this list.
The machines in PA can be hacked in 7 minutes with a screwdriver and they are delivered early to schools, churches, etc.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)unless we have some evidence of fraud.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,771 posts)The bedrock of Trumps campaign was an extremely blatant form of propaganda in which he and his team continually, aggressively, and proactively accused the other side of just about every fault and wrongdoing that, in fact, was true of Trump and his team. How can we not suspect the election rigging mantra as the most serious, most grievous example of this.
In addition to the manufactured projection strategy of his campaign, we know for a fact that Trump himself is a cheat and a liar who has boldly thwarted every rule of decorum and fair play honored by decent men and women. Not to mention the actual laws he has broken regarding the use of funds from his Charity, and perhaps in other instances.
Auggie
(31,177 posts)Psychopath is nightmarish shit.
Oh boy .. another night without sleep.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... How many shrinks are there in this country, anyway? I wish more of you would speak up. Evidently half of this country is so gullible that they will buy anything, dazzled by the shell game and the charm. And I know... even if you explain reality to them, they won't believe it.
OK, so we know what a psychopath Trump is (and most Republicans for that matter), but explain why half of our nation can't see him for what he is? That's what I'm having trouble understanding.
K&R
bdamomma
(63,917 posts)those who voted for him felt they "knew" him yea sure, they will know he will not promise them anything.
An about the health care professionals who are giving their opinions thank you and appreciate your feedback.
Mental Health workers are going to be very busy people and the pharmaceutical companies for the next 4 years. Again, to those who need help reach out to these people they are professionals they are as close as a phone call.
CousinIT
(9,253 posts)"You can't DO that."
He breaks laws every minute of the day practically and will be in gross violation of the US Constitution when he's sworn in. Yet, nobody says or does a THING about it. WTF good are laws or constitutions they aren't ENFORCABLE?
bdamomma
(63,917 posts)YOUR'RE FIRED!!!!!!!
Mr. tRump is wiping his backside with the Constitution.
Thanks - that is exactly on point
Gothmog
(145,481 posts)ancianita
(36,130 posts)It will be like we've acquired a mild case of PTSD on a mass scale.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)started the yammering about the rigging.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,135 posts)sellitman
(11,607 posts)You stole my thunder. Charming? Hardly.
Akamai
(1,779 posts)contradict your conclusions.
Chalco
(1,308 posts)for the Washington Post and other journalists to sit at a round table with experts in psychopathy. Journalists need to
understand what they are dealing with.
bdamomma
(63,917 posts)it is so nice to hear a mental health professional give their opinion on this horrible man.
Thank you
DownriverDem
(6,230 posts)Many of Trump's voters are like him. They are now going to see just what he thinks of them. He has backed off many of the promises he made to them. He has not drained the swamp. He has put some very dangerous RWNJs in his cabinet. Will those that need the programs (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, ObamaCare) he plans to dismantle join the rest of us in fighting him? One woman who has Medicaid expansion in KY still wants to keep it even though Trump is planning on taking it away from millions. When she was asked about Trump and his plans, her answer was that I always vote repub. Well lady, you are now going to see the repub party of hate towards us in full bloom.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)for Trump!