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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnybody who thinks Obama is going to win easily is a Pollyanna
who sees the world thru rose colored glasses. Sorry, but this election is going to be very close. I wouldn't feel this way if it were not for the fact that it seems like the economy is moving in the wrong direction. Yesterday we had reports that sent the stock market tanking that manufacturing is down substantially in the Northeast. Unemployment ticked up and while new claims were down by 2000 this week they are still much too high to suggest sustained employment.
In the end people do vote their pocketbooks. Does it matter that the GOP has spend four years sabotaging the economy? Yes, but so far I haven't seen the Obama campaign running on that theme.
Expect in the next month for Romney to choose a running mate, and expect that running mate to be somebody who won't be controversial and cause problems like Palin did. Somebody who probably won't add much or subtract much from the ticket. He then will go into his convention and probably come out with a lead in the polls--the conventional convention jump. Then Obama will have his convention and things will even out after that.
Right now I'd say the chances of Obama's re-election are 50/50. Less if the economy sinks into another recession--then it is likely Romney will win.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)You're overemphasizing the positives for Romney, who is not a good candidate. He is gaffe-prone and unlikeable, and this will become more apparent to more voters as they focus on him. Barack Obama plays error-free ball in an appealing manner and he is a first-rate counter-puncher. A grim incumbent could very well lose, even to a mediocrity like Romney. Fortunately, we have the better candidate.
mattclearing
(10,091 posts)...I have a hard time believing that Romney's credibility will withstand a face-to-face debate with President Obama, much less two or three. He has shortcomings that no amount of money or attack ads can overcome.
I don't think it's wise to be overconfident, but I suspect that the indications of Romney's competitiveness are overstated and will eventually prove mistaken by a margin of up to ten points.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Just like they gave Bush the 2000 debates despite the fact that Gore totally outclassed Bush, Gore "sighed"..
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)wrote that god-awful hit piece about Gore in the New York Times-- "His Lyin', Sighin' Heart".
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)That's not too bad.
If Obama focuses on the swing states from now to November he should be ok.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)Obama's prospects.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)right now mittens can basically sit quiet and do nothing,when the campaign gets going and he has to talk for real the country will see what an incompetant,insane idiot he is.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Keep in mind that Dubya got a higher percentage of the vote in 2004 than he did in 2000.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)with 9/11 fresh in mind still and the war going on.
A lot of people refused to see they had been lied to and duped.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)And economics is what people, particularly "swing voters" vote on more than any other single thing.
The M$M has a vested interest in keeping the election as much as a "horse race" as possible, more advertising for them, more clicks, more influence, you can count on them to try and even up any advantage that Obama might have over Rmoney.
"It's not getting any smarter out thereyou need to come to terms with stupidity and make it work for you."
-Frank Zappa
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)This election reminds me of the way it is in MI. We always end up in the blue column when it comes to the WH but look at our elected officials! So very many rethugs! We fight tooth and nail to go blue yet so many foolishly just assume MI will be in the blue come November.
MI is taken for granted and folks really have no idea how possible it is to lose this state to the red column.
Julie
boxman15
(1,033 posts)Obama right now is more like a 60/40 favorite to win it. He has a big advantage in the Electoral College. Romney has no margin for error. This isn't to say Romney can't win, it's just that Obama has it a little easier there.
With regards to campaign finance, the president and Democratic super PACs will be outspent by Romney and Republican super PACs. That's for sure. However, it won't be as bad as what we saw in Wisconsin. He won't be outspent 8-1. Not even anywhere close to that. This will really help negate the negative effects of Citizens United in the presidential race. My bigger worry is with congressional races as well as state and local races. Thats where we face a huge uphill battle.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)The truth is, the race may indeed come somewhat close. But the truth is, at this point, the GOP can't win.....not legally, anyhow.
But we should definitely focus on the state and local races too.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)some, who when we ask if they want to register to vote simply say, no, I don't care, I don't ever want to vote. I'm serious, and my clients are the ones most negatively effected by republicans. Many when I ask if they are registered arent sure if they are, they will say they voted before, but don't remember where or they think they have to register each year. I'm notjoking, when I ask them about their voter registration they are like deers in headlights, and this is the reaction I get from all people, male, female, black, white, everything. Then they just shrugm, go back to texting someone while I renew their food stamps, it's sickening.
Ghost of Huey Long
(322 posts)I don't think so.
But no amount of get out the vote effort will work, if we do not first wake everyone up to the very real possibility of the theft of our elections.
Our election systems are set up in a way that even elections with paper ballots can be stolen with very simple code by a Tech guy
Our elections are being counted by private companies. (How the hell did we let this happen??!!)
If this group of current Republicans could steal elections, would they? I mean look at their morals, claiming to be Christians while they loot our treasury to kill and maim millions of people overseas, then they blame the poor and retirees for the debt they created and threaten to cut people's food stamps and social security. These people are the collective AntiChrist so we know morals are not an issue...but would they actually steal an election if they had to pay a Tech guy $20,000 or even $100,000? Well Duh! They are paying billions to buy off the media to manufacture consent, paying to steal an election is nothing to them and it is a business deal to them, they have no loyalty to our Country or the American people.
The question is, has the economy fallen enough for them, do they have more crap they want to blame Obama for? Then they will allow him to win. It should be pretty obvious why they didn't steal it from him 2008, they knew the shit storm of debt they had created with their unnecessary wars and Big Government programs like Homeland Security and the TSA and they sure as hell didn't want to take responsibility for it.
It wouldn't hurt however, to take Romney and the entire party down before the election with better messaging. And we need to take our messages to the corporate media, demand they air the truth on our public airwaves. They are breaking the law by using our public airwaves for their personal profit. We should be occupying the TV stations, make them uncomfortable enabling fascism. Show they how angry we are that they would toss our country aside for their own personal profit. Bring signs with the message we want to get across about the Republican party and the reality of what is happening in this country. Demand the 'liberal' media allow more real Democrats with real progressive issues that people care about...on OUR PUBLIC AIRWAVES. It is absurd we are allowing them to rake in billions on this election while they lie to us and brainwash everyone.
Better messages?
The country is in the crapper because of outsourcing and we are going 2 elect an outsourcing jackass?
The economy is in this condition because of free trade agreements. People who formerly had jobs now have to rely on the government instead of paying income tax. We have had tariffs since the American Revolution because our Founders intended that corporations pay 97% of the cost of running government. Anyone attempting to avoid tariffs were considered pirates and hung.
We need to end the free trade agreements and reinstate this policy to save our country from destruction from within. Any tea party 'conservative' person who pretends to love the founders, needs to be put in their place about their love for corporations, it's absurd. (But then they pretend to care about the Constitution and they love Homeland Security and the TSA, pretend to care about a fetus but then cut off starving homeless children and leave a huge mountain of debt to their own children because of their infantile selfish need for more more more now now now)
And to shut Conservatives up on pretending to care about the debt...You cannot simultaneously start two wars and two Big Government programs while cutting taxes...and then pretend not to know where the debt came from.
Where are the Democrats on that one- it is so easy to nail their asses!
It appears the Democratic party needs some help with messaging, maybe others can chime in?
Of course Huey Long has the best message of all:
It is not the difficulty of the problem which we have; it is the fact that the rich people of this countryand by rich people I mean the super-richwill not allow us to solve the problems, or rather the one little problem that is afflicting this country, because in order to cure all of our woes it is necessary to scale down the big fortunes, that we may scatter the wealth to be shared by all of the people.
We need to raise taxes to the level of Eisenhower.
We need to implement Smedley Butler's plan to end all wars, 100% corporate tax on incomes made from war.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)The real truth is, only the most idiotic of people vote with their pocketbooks, as in blaming the current president for the economic woes when he actually tried to fix things.
Romney is a very, very, unlikable person for a large number of reasons; his blatant flip-flopping hypocrisy and his callous disregard for the common man are just two examples. Hell, I've even come across Republicans who are actually switching sides to vote for Obama this year! And not to mention the perhaps not too large, but definitely notable, numbers of Republican voters who aren't holding their noses this year.
Even if the Euro crisis implodes, and if we go into another depression.....even then, the only way the GOP could win is by rigging the vote, since too many people have woken up......although unfortunately, they do have the means to do so.
If Romney wins, you'll know that the election has been gamed. No ifs, ands, or buts. Not at this point.
bigtree
(85,998 posts)a bit naive, maybe, but I wouldn't make it a campaign to discourage optimism. I think that's also a bit presumptuous to believe that optimistic people can't or won't work hard and fight like hell.
Bake
(21,977 posts)The Pukes will unleash the hounds of hell to try to win or make it close enough to steal. They will pour billions of dollars into the campaign.
But then there are the debates. All of Mitt's billions and all of his war chest and all of his rabid supporters won't help when it's one on one time with the President.
And we don't have to win every state. Just the important ones.
But I agree, it won't be easy.
Bake
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)spending your time doing that instead of stating the obvious about it being a close election. Go donate, canvass, call, and write letters to the editor.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Latinos, gays, and women of all colors are pretty pissed off at the Republicans with excellent reason. And not so with the Democrats.
Are you a white man? Because you sure ignored everyone else in your assertion.
The only way it will be close is if it's stolen again.