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Donkees

(31,413 posts)
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 10:03 AM Jan 2017

Cuomo, Sanders to propose free tuition at New York state colleges - (ADDED VIDEO) JANUARY 3

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Live Webcast Link: JANUARY 3, 2017 At 10:30 AM

http://www.governor.ny.gov/

https://www.facebook.com/pix11news/videos/vb.76073377041/10154978357707042/?type=2&theater



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NEW YORK — Gov. Andrew Cuomo is expected to announce Tuesday a plan that will offer free tuition at New York state colleges for middle- and low-income New Yorkers, according to a New York Times report.

Any college student from a family that makes less than $125,000 annually will be eligible for free tuition through the new Excelsior Scholarship at any New York state or city university starting this fall. Funds given to students will be used to complete tuition payments by supplementing existing state and federal loan and grant programs, according to anonymous sources from the governor’s office who spoke with the Times.

Cuomo is expected to announce the plan alongside Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT), a vocal champion of free college tuition and critic of student debt.

PIX11’s Facebook page will air a press conference with the governor at LaGuardia Community College scheduled for 10:30 a.m.

The plan is expected to begin a three-year rollout in the fall, but will require legislative approval. If it’s approved, the Cuomo administration expects that nearly one million New York families will qualify for the plan, according to the Times.

The total cost of the Excelsior Scholarship could potentially be $163 million, but the Cuomo administration said that estimate could be too low or too high. Total cost will depend on how many families participate.

The plan, if approved, will also reportedly be paid for by nearly $1 billion provided by the state through its tuition assistance program, according to the Times. Those awards are capped at $5,165 and many of the awards are smaller.

Current tuition costs at four-year State University schools for state residents is $6,470. Two-year community college programs cost $4,350. City University schools cost roughly the same.

http://pix11.com/2017/01/03/cuomo-sanders-to-propose-free-tuition-at-new-york-state-colleges-report/

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Cuomo, Sanders to propose free tuition at New York state colleges - (ADDED VIDEO) JANUARY 3 (Original Post) Donkees Jan 2017 OP
I think of this kind of thing as "Secession in Place." Girard442 Jan 2017 #1
Bernie like a boss HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #2
No kidding portlander23 Jan 2017 #3
Live Webcast Link: JANUARY 3, 2017 At 10:30 AM Donkees Jan 2017 #4
People are chanting, Bernie Bernie Bernie Bernie portlander23 Jan 2017 #5
No we're not. George II Jan 2017 #9
Bernie: "mark my words..." Donkees Jan 2017 #18
Amen portlander23 Jan 2017 #32
When did Sanders become Senator from New York? George II Jan 2017 #6
Does that matter? NWCorona Jan 2017 #7
Yes. George II Jan 2017 #8
It shouldn't considering Bernie's leadership position. NWCorona Jan 2017 #11
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #14
New Yorkers together against Donald Trump flamingdem Jan 2017 #10
Yup Afromania Jan 2017 #34
We warned 'em flamingdem Jan 2017 #36
Your contempt for Senator Sanders is hilarious! TonyPDX Jan 2017 #13
You see it as contempt, I and others don't. George II Jan 2017 #25
He can see NY from his hometown! karynnj Jan 2017 #16
I'm a native of New York, Brooklyn in fact. I grew up early about a mile from where... George II Jan 2017 #33
Think of all the bright students in all those schools -- they built the future karynnj Jan 2017 #35
He's identified in the article as an independent from VT. aikoaiko Jan 2017 #17
Sanders still seems to be campaigning for President. baldguy Jan 2017 #20
Campaigning for the people NWCorona Jan 2017 #21
As the outreach chair for the Senate Democrats this seems very appropriate.... think Jan 2017 #26
Certainly does, doesn't he? George II Jan 2017 #24
The questions I have are related to yours: surrealAmerican Jan 2017 #27
Maybe they're in Washington doing their jobs since the Senate was in session this morning? George II Jan 2017 #29
Wow portlander23 Jan 2017 #12
Doesnt really matter who wants this plan, Even bernie, I WISH that I could ........ Old Vet Jan 2017 #15
Ideally there would be no income qualification, but this is such a wonderful start. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #28
You are correct, it should be across the board portlander23 Jan 2017 #31
K&R think Jan 2017 #19
Go Bernie! TCJ70 Jan 2017 #22
Go everybody portlander23 Jan 2017 #23
IMO, this is a "automation denier" program. Automation will only need 10% of the current students. CK_John Jan 2017 #30
This is great! Nt azmom Jan 2017 #37

Girard442

(6,075 posts)
1. I think of this kind of thing as "Secession in Place."
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 10:16 AM
Jan 2017

I think actual secession is such a can of worms that it could never take place without armed hostilities (been there, done that), but states like NY and CA can resolve to make moves like this to prove to the Red States that liberal/progressive government policies aren't just warm fuzzy feelgood things, but actually work better on the ground than the hardass austerity/puritanical policies that are the rage these days.

Actually, it's already been pretty well proven. So let's prove it more.

Response to NWCorona (Reply #11)

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
10. New Yorkers together against Donald Trump
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 11:46 AM
Jan 2017

We (I am an ex NYer) always knew he was scum.

Decades ago.

Afromania

(2,768 posts)
34. Yup
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 02:05 PM
Jan 2017

Aye. we know this idiot and his shenanigans quite well. Thusly he was absolutely drubbed here. Too bad so many "nice" voters choose not to listen to his words or anything New Yorkers told 'em about this fool.

George II

(67,782 posts)
25. You see it as contempt, I and others don't.
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 12:50 PM
Jan 2017

So TonyPDX, does the "PDX" signify that you're a Portlander?

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
16. He can see NY from his hometown!
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 11:59 AM
Jan 2017

He obviously was invited by Governor Cuomo and he does have legislation that he will likely reintroduce in the new Congress. There have been times where Senators (or Congressmen) have written legislation that has no chance to be enacted in hopes that they will be picked up by the states.

This idea is not as radical as it sounds. First off, both HRC and Bernie supported the concept. Second, that was the way it historically was in many states. Many New Yorkers, including many Brooklyn Jews - Bernie's contemporaries paid little or nothing at excellent city colleges - such as City College, Brooklyn College and others. Many others had an affordable college at the various SUNY colleges.

NY was not the only state - California's public colleges were their crown jewel - and likely one of the reasons that California thrived. Even Indiana had a "Hoosier Scholarship" that at least in the 1960s and 1970s paid the full tuition at an Indiana public college.

George II

(67,782 posts)
33. I'm a native of New York, Brooklyn in fact. I grew up early about a mile from where...
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 01:59 PM
Jan 2017

...Sanders grew up, and am only about 5 years younger than him. I know about those schools.

I was accepted to Stuyvesant High School and when it came time to apply to colleges, I applied to Cooper Union, City College, and Pratt Institute. I was first accepted by Pratt with a $1200 scholarship (about 50% of the tuition), then City College (free after nominal registration and other fees), and finally Cooper Union - $100 a year for registration, zero tuition (called "full scholarship" by the school back then)

I know that CUNY (City College et., al) started charging tuition at least 20 years ago, maybe more. Two or three years ago Cooper Union, which had been "full scholarship" for more than 150 years ago instituted about a $20,000 a year tuition.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
35. Think of all the bright students in all those schools -- they built the future
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 02:23 PM
Jan 2017

Not to mention, at least from people I know, that opportunity fit their hopes and dreams of their futures.

My daughter, while doing a CUNY MA in women's studies used a journal her grandmother (my husband's mother) wrote in 1936 a few years after she graduated from Pratt. One thing my daughter did was to visit Pratt to get more back more background. One thing that shocked her was that the average one month salary that a graduate earned was close to the cost of a year's tuition. My husband, who went to a SUNY college did a quick calculation and found that was not far from the case for him. A year as an instate student at IU (which I did not pay because I had a scholarship) was actually much less than a month of my salary after I graduated. (My husband and I graduated in the 1970s)

My daughter's generation raced a VERY different situation and for those whose parents could not pay for college, graduated with unbelievable debt - in many cases even if they chose the public college.

surrealAmerican

(11,361 posts)
27. The questions I have are related to yours:
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 12:56 PM
Jan 2017

Where are New York's Senators? Are they not on board with this plan? Their absence is making them look bad.

 

portlander23

(2,078 posts)
12. Wow
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 11:53 AM
Jan 2017

I've not been a huge Cuomo fan, but he's knocking this out of the park. "We have to have college for every child, man, woman who wants to attend."

Old Vet

(2,001 posts)
15. Doesnt really matter who wants this plan, Even bernie, I WISH that I could ........
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 11:59 AM
Jan 2017

Go to college free, Even though Iam over 60 I thrive on learning.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
28. Ideally there would be no income qualification, but this is such a wonderful start.
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 12:57 PM
Jan 2017

There is a reason the "right" doesnt like education.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
30. IMO, this is a "automation denier" program. Automation will only need 10% of the current students.
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 01:31 PM
Jan 2017

It would be more practical to teach people to weld and put money into hobby studios and tool equipment.

People have to learn to live without a paid job, and killing each other.

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