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Another M$M coverup!1!!!!11!
I would have put this in LBN, but, you know, 1912....
Rarely seen images of the Titanic before it left Southampton have furthered researchers theory that a fire may have been the root cause of the 1912 disaster
Rachael Pells | 6 hours ago
The sinking of the RMS Titanic may have been caused by an enormous fire on board, not by hitting an iceberg in the North Atlantic, experts have claimed, as new evidence has been published to support the theory. ... More than 1,500 passengers lost their lives when the Titanic sank on route to New York from Southampton in April 1912.
While the cause of the disaster has long been attributed to the iceberg, fresh evidence has surfaced of a fire in the ships hull, which researchers say burned unnoticed for almost three weeks leading up to the collision. ... While experts have previously acknowledged the theory of a fire on board, new analysis of rarely seen photographs has prompted researchers to blame the fire as the primary cause of the ships demise.
Journalist Senan Molony, who has spent more than 30 years researching the sinking of the Titanic, studied photographs taken by the ships chief electrical engineers before it left Belfast shipyard. ... Mr Maloney said he was able to identify 30-foot-long black marks along the front right-hand side of the hull, just behind where the ships lining was pierced by the iceberg. ... He said: We are looking at the exact area where the iceberg stuck, and we appear to have a weakness or damage to the hull in that specific place, before she even left Belfast. ... Experts subsequently confirmed the marks were likely to have been caused by a fire started in a three-storey high fuel store behind one of the ships boiler rooms.
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{Mr Molony said:} The fire was known about, but it was played down. She should never have been put to sea. ... In 2008, Ray Boston, an expert with more than 20 years of research into the Titanics journey, said he believed the coal fire began during speed trials as much as 10 days prior to the ship leaving Southampton. ... He said the fire had potential to cause serious explosions below decks before it would reach New York.
volstork
(5,401 posts)It was clearly Obama's fault.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,459 posts)Bucky
(54,013 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"fire split the hull in two and the iceberg was a shared delusion of the survivors..."
That's the only conclusion you are able to infer given the additional information? Odd in its exclusion of other possibilities.
Bucky
(54,013 posts)I'm a history teacher and I find this boring.
[font color="#fffffd"]Go ahead and insult me now[/font]
heaven05
(18,124 posts)moose65
(3,167 posts)This is from a humor site, I take it? How could a fire on a ship burn for three weeks without anyone noticing?
Unless, of course, it was time-traveling Obama who went back in time and set it on fire.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"How could a fire on a ship burn for three weeks without anyone noticing? "
Almost as preposterous as a creosote-caused chimney fire unnoticed for seven weeks before its final and catastrophic conclusion.
haele
(12,657 posts)They were pulling back pipe insulation to put in new cable hangers, and two of my guys got burned as they were pulling back a piece that had part of a 40 ft section that had been burning for nearly a week in that engine space. The last time a welder was in the space was when one was cutting out an old pipe section and put in a re-route six days prior. A spark hit the poly-fiber pipe insulation and just kept smoldering.
Ever since boilers powered ships, supply piping was insulated against the ocean chill and condensation. I can believe a smoldering engine room fire could have been kept going against the bulkhead between the heated lead paint and insulation in a constantly hot working area.
On edit - if you've never been in a boiler room - and the ship I was stationed on in the early 1980's was a WWII era boiler-driven tender - you can't imagine the off-gas stench and sound that can mask pretty much any small change in the environment. The entire boiler is a class-A fire; it's extremely difficult to determine when a new one starts unless you actually see flames or a piece of gear is damaged.
Haele
MFM008
(19,814 posts)A little difficult to yell fire with out the evidence to examine.
TheMastersNemesis
(10,602 posts)There was a fantastic special aired on National Geographic channel just a couple of days ago that explains what happened to the Titanic. It was called "Drain The Titanic".
A group of scientists went out to the location of the Titanic and used the most recent technology to digitize the Titanic and all of its surrounding debris fields. And they have pretty much answered virtually all of the questions surrounding the sinking. Here is what their investigation has revealed.
Because they have been able to assemble a digital big picture of the Titanic and its surroundings they have been able to determine the damage to the ship and how it sank and why. Here is what they found.
1. There was no huge gash in the ship. There was about a 30 foot section that was buckled and allowed the water in. Based on
calculations of the size of the hole the model predicted 2 1/2 hours for the ship to sink which it did.
2. The bow section came in at around 35 mph at about a 115 to 30 degree angle and was upright because of the dynamics of that
section.
3. The aft section came down at around 50 mph and was spinning as it descended scattering degree and coming apart because of
the spin. How it came down explains the debris field and the damage of the aft section.
4. The aft section separated from the bow after it went underwater and it was a ways down before it broke up.
5. The deterioration of the Titanic is being caused by anaerobic bacteria that is eating the metal. That is why some of it has
collapsed already.
The scientific team using sophisticated radar and cameras has been able to create an image of the entire Titanic area like never before. It is an image that appears as if all the water is gone.
Calculating
(2,955 posts)They claim they ship probably would have lived if it had hit the iceberg head on. By sideswiping the iceberg they ruptured 6 of the watertight compartments, while hitting it dead on would have ruptured fewer.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)By a steward on a German ship who had never heard about the sinking, who thought it really odd that there was an iceberg in the middle of the North Atlantic with red paint smeared across it. This was a few miles south of where the tragedy occurred.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,318 posts)These people still say it hit the iceberg which opened the hole. So 'not sunk by iceberg' is a clickbait title, really.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)There's always a chain of problems leading to the crash. This is just one more link in the Titanic's chain of problems.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Turbineguy
(37,331 posts)tremendous steam release upon breach of the bunker by the iceberg.
bucolic_frolic
(43,167 posts)It can be hardened, as in hardened steel nails, it can become brittle. If hot it can be more susceptible to damage when striking an object, or from percussion. Steel can have different components that alter characteristics. Malleability, strength, rigidity, flexibility, durability are all aspects of the metallic mix in the product. I notice the exhaust systems in cars - pre-stainless era - fail first around the welds. The heat creates vulnerability. So I could readily entertain the theories expounded in this article. Moreover you have the limits of manufacture of the day. Was the mix uniform? They surely know more about steel today than they did in 1912. And then there was the fallout of the tragedy. Public outcry, panic, grief, insurance companies,liability. You could argue a hundred years over the cause, and the world has done so. And still not know for sure.