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angrychair

(8,699 posts)
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 07:44 PM Jan 2017

We should be embarrassed

A "peaceful transfer of power" Doesn't require a former president to attend. Moreover, there is no Constitutional requirement that Obama has to attend. We need to show a lot more backbone and commitment to our values and principles.

Sorry, it's hard for me to juxtapose the very justified and unequivocal rebuke of trump by PBO and the Clintons and so many others and coupled with the knowledge of Russia's involvement in the manipulation of our election, to show up to this ridiculous event and talk about the "peaceful transfer of power" to a person that is con-artist and a sexual predator.
It's makes it nearly impossible to not look onto all this with a jaded and cynical eye when we see the eventual smiles and hand shakes and back slapping with trump. This is more than "just how politics works". Many, Democrats, Republicans and Independents, have spoken in unambiguous terms, that trump is unfit to be president. That he is a criminal. That he should not be left alone with young female children.
Attending this event is the wrong message and will muddy the water, especially for young people, about morals and values and reenforce their growing cynical perspective and further deminish trust in our political process.


Let me make this completely, unambiguously, clear: I will not endorse, give donations to or advocate for ANY politician that supports or works to fulfill ANY of trump's agenda.


As my sig line states:
Trump is a narcissistic, racist, bigoted and xenophobic fascist. We are either united in our fight against his agenda or we will all become a victim of it.

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We should be embarrassed (Original Post) angrychair Jan 2017 OP
I reject the normalization of this MFM008 Jan 2017 #1
I was just saying the same thing on FB...... Little Star Jan 2017 #6
I totally agree, especially when it comes to Hillary's attendance... what is she thinking?! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #28
Don't you know that's all democracy means now malaise Jan 2017 #2
I suggest a White House petition HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #3
Good idea!!! No, Great idea!.... Little Star Jan 2017 #9
Petitions are useless. longship Jan 2017 #51
What if Trump's agenda happens to coincide with the Democratic platform? gratuitous Jan 2017 #4
Yes, I'm more in tune with what Warren said. PatrickforO Jan 2017 #30
The problem is that all of this humbled_opinion Jan 2017 #36
+1 Little Star Jan 2017 #50
I agree. It's a simple way to draw a line in the sand. CrispyQ Jan 2017 #5
That requires a backbone! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #29
Already have been, for a while now. 2naSalit Jan 2017 #7
Let's put this another way. If someone threatened to put my wife in jail and did it in front of the rzemanfl Jan 2017 #8
I don't know what they are thinking but I am ticked off that any Little Star Jan 2017 #10
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #20
If such a petition exists oldtime dfl_er Jan 2017 #11
I don't think Carter needs your time, donations, approval, or lecture. Nt NCTraveler Jan 2017 #12
There is your mistake angrychair Jan 2017 #58
Lol. The angry chair asked for its rig back. Nt NCTraveler Jan 2017 #60
Sorry angrychair Jan 2017 #62
Maybe if we tweeted don't go, we might get attention, notdarkyet Jan 2017 #13
If the Clintons did not attend, TNNurse Jan 2017 #14
We care about their "insults" !?!? I think most dems are secure enough to ignore the stupid that uponit7771 Jan 2017 #22
They would not be insulting all dems.....do you want TNNurse Jan 2017 #27
TOUGH SHIT!! pangaia Jan 2017 #31
IKR !?!? uponit7771 Jan 2017 #43
What;s IKR? pangaia Jan 2017 #46
I Know Right.. (agreement akin to +1, thought I'd try it out today... lol) uponit7771 Jan 2017 #47
Who cares what those assholes call us? Special snowflakes....I mean, really? SammyWinstonJack Jan 2017 #70
I do not care what they say about "us". TNNurse Jan 2017 #71
goodbye AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author ismnotwasm Jan 2017 #18
Bye. nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #68
I feel like I'm being played. jalan48 Jan 2017 #16
And if they don't go they'll be called petulant /sore losers/chickenshit/ ismnotwasm Jan 2017 #17
So they're attending so that they don't get bullied and called names? dflprincess Jan 2017 #44
You're both arguing for and against going for PR reasons... Interesting! bettyellen Jan 2017 #52
I'm not for it. dflprincess Jan 2017 #59
I don't get it either... myohmy2 Jan 2017 #19
We're doing this for the greater good of Exxon Mobil. Initech Jan 2017 #24
I won't endorse anyone who plays Trump's game either. Initech Jan 2017 #21
Yup, it's high time to draw a line in the sand and stand for something! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #32
I'm 100% with you. triron Jan 2017 #23
It's classy of them to do this. mythology Jan 2017 #25
"Just stomping our feet and saying no is what the Republicans did." Comatose Sphagetti Jan 2017 #37
Your point is not lost on me angrychair Jan 2017 #41
Because playing nice with them has worked so well in the past. dflprincess Jan 2017 #45
Exactly, this is childish BOBer bullshit because they are nothing without their hatred. bettyellen Jan 2017 #54
Creativity points for somehow, as bizarre as it is, making it about bernie... dionysus Jan 2017 #69
It's not actual supporters of HRC doing this hand wringing crap... bettyellen Jan 2017 #73
So you claim... dionysus Jan 2017 #74
The embarrassment is Trump's. His fans will see Crooked "Lock Her Up" Hillary up there on stage. betsuni Jan 2017 #26
K&R zentrum Jan 2017 #33
I understand Carter's position but disagree with him Rural_Progressive Jan 2017 #34
Th was a great... 3catwoman3 Jan 2017 #49
I disagree. Knowing him, knowing his minions, it can be done right. nolabear Jan 2017 #35
I disagree. I think it's an embarrassment that acting like an adult in the Democratic Party.... SaschaHM Jan 2017 #38
I agree nini Jan 2017 #65
Legitimizing Trump is wrong. GeorgeGist Jan 2017 #39
Obama is the better man for helping in the transition. keithbvadu2 Jan 2017 #40
In what respect? angrychair Jan 2017 #42
He's trying to help him not stumble into war with his petulant tweets.... bettyellen Jan 2017 #53
You and I both know angrychair Jan 2017 #57
God help me for defending W nini Jan 2017 #64
Dubya is still the leading ex-Prez of his party. keithbvadu2 Jan 2017 #67
He is helping by staying the hell out of the way nini Jan 2017 #72
Ouch! keithbvadu2 Jan 2017 #75
It's still a matter of Obama helping the country. -- to angrychair keithbvadu2 Jan 2017 #48
Confusing tradition with result is your first flaw. LanternWaste Jan 2017 #55
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #56
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2017 #61
I am not sure what the deleted post you responded to said. But in any event, welcome to DU!! (eom) StevieM Jan 2017 #66
That's ridiculous. Cha Jan 2017 #63
I think former presidents should attend Trump's coup ceremony underthematrix Jan 2017 #76
Quite right. I will not feel kindly towards any Democrats who participate in any way. TygrBright Jan 2017 #77
Doing the right thing is never wrong. CentralMass Jan 2017 #78
I'm with you lsewpershad Jan 2017 #79

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
6. I was just saying the same thing on FB......
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 07:59 PM
Jan 2017

The Clintons especially should not attend nor should any other Democrat. He should not be normalized.

longship

(40,416 posts)
51. Petitions are useless.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 01:01 PM
Jan 2017

Action means something other than signing on to a fucking petition, so easy yet so meaningless in these days.

The NAACP occupied Senator Sessions office yesterday. There were arrests. Now that was action. Martin Luther King would have approved, as would Ghandi.

We've got to get in their faces. No petition does that.

The streets are ours. Let's take to the streets.

Fuck online petitions.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
4. What if Trump's agenda happens to coincide with the Democratic platform?
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 07:54 PM
Jan 2017

Today's embarrassment to the Republicans, the reversal of their neutering of the Office of Congressional Ethics, has been attributed by many to Trump's tweet about the unseemliness of the timing (though not to the substance of congressional Republicans' vote). If a Democrat agrees that congressional Republicans shot themselves in the foot, is that "supporting" Trump's "agenda"? Trump says so many different things, sometimes within the same breath, it's impossible to know what his agenda is sometimes. How are you going to be completely, unambiguously clear about whether a politician supports Trump's agenda, and what if Trump comes down on the right side of an issue (probably by accident)?

I'm just saying support your ideals, and disregard where Trump might be at any given moment.

PatrickforO

(14,574 posts)
30. Yes, I'm more in tune with what Warren said.
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 09:04 PM
Jan 2017

It would be morally wrong for us to be in lockstep in opposing every single thing Trump proposes. The Republicans did that to Obama.

Better to support Trump when he does something that we agree with and fight him tooth and nail when he's trying to do something with which we disagree.

humbled_opinion

(4,423 posts)
36. The problem is that all of this
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 09:23 PM
Jan 2017

Congressional action is going to be a mishmash no clean bills, some good, plenty bad, some of our reps are going to go along to get the good and get stuck with the bad, that is how the Repub cartel works.

CrispyQ

(36,464 posts)
5. I agree. It's a simple way to draw a line in the sand.
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 07:56 PM
Jan 2017

Something the dems have needed to do for a long, long time.

rzemanfl

(29,557 posts)
8. Let's put this another way. If someone threatened to put my wife in jail and did it in front of the
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 08:01 PM
Jan 2017

whole country I would not go to his fucking party, even if he didn't also have a parade of women I was connected to in one way or another fly in to support his lying ass. Particularly since the guy lost by 2.8 million votes.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
10. I don't know what they are thinking but I am ticked off that any
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 08:04 PM
Jan 2017

democrat would go. Never mind our leaders. Ugh!!! Stupid, stupid, stupid!

oldtime dfl_er

(6,931 posts)
11. If such a petition exists
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 08:17 PM
Jan 2017

or if one gets started, please post the info here. I'll try to get some of my action group to sign it.

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
58. There is your mistake
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 03:35 PM
Jan 2017

That you think president Carter was a politician. That was always his problem, he was a great human being but a poor politician. I actually like and respect him more because of that.

No, president Carter does not need my money or my council. As a voter, especially a politically active one, I have earned my right to my opinion as much as anyone else.

That being said, there is nothing that can make it "ok" for people like Carter, Obama and Clinton being on the same stage, even equated, to trump. He is a narcissistic, racist, sexist, bigoted and xenophobic fascist.
He is a criminal that has admitted to sexually assaulting women.
sorry, there is nothing that will convince me that making deals or working with trump (or pence or any current republican) is ever going to work in our favor and any compromise will come at a heavy cost somewhere else. As I have stated in the past, compromise is great as long as you are not the one being compromised. The disturbing selflessness of people to disregard the cost to others as long as they get the benefits of the compromise is unsettling.

notdarkyet

(2,226 posts)
13. Maybe if we tweeted don't go, we might get attention,
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 08:33 PM
Jan 2017

I believe it is a bend to the slogan of going high when they go low. F him and all the ex pres and wives that go. If they haven't figured it out yet this is why the party is shrinking. We have no guts no balls to stand up to the repubs, which is why we get our ass kicked. Time for a real progressive party that gets loud. May we should take ak 47s to protest marches. The tea party did it and got defended. I'm not watching the inauguration. I will never call this slime pres.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
14. If the Clintons did not attend,
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 08:36 PM
Jan 2017

we would never hear the end of insults. Poor loser (as if Trump is not the whiniest winner ever), embarrassed, afraid, not mentally stable.....it would be endless. I admire their maturity and self control.

uponit7771

(90,339 posts)
22. We care about their "insults" !?!? I think most dems are secure enough to ignore the stupid that
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 08:51 PM
Jan 2017

...comes from the M$Gredia and Putin2

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
27. They would not be insulting all dems.....do you want
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 09:01 PM
Jan 2017

all that crap with the Clintons' names all over media and the web for God knows how long? They do not deserve that kind of attention.

SammyWinstonJack

(44,130 posts)
70. Who cares what those assholes call us? Special snowflakes....I mean, really?
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 09:41 AM
Jan 2017

Fuck 'em! Sore losers? Again, Fuck 'em!

Time to take a stand against them and their evil agenda and it starts now! RESIST!

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
71. I do not care what they say about "us".
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 11:21 AM
Jan 2017

I care about them putting Hillary Clinton through more verbal abuse.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
15. goodbye
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 08:39 PM
Jan 2017

And just like that, trump is about to be normalized for the entire world. Clintons attendance is effectively shutting down the resistance movement.

It is all but certain now that the entire world will be watching the inauguration giving it historical ratings, the exact opposite of our efforts.

I am about to go to sleep and will wake up by next election. Deleted all my news apps, no more NPR. Goodbye DU (for now). Will focus on local issues exclusively.

Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #15)

ismnotwasm

(41,980 posts)
17. And if they don't go they'll be called petulant /sore losers/chickenshit/
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 08:46 PM
Jan 2017

In fact, I remember seeing something about Hillary being in "hiding" after the loss--which was bullshit.

Especially with President Carter already showing up, why hand enemies the ammunition?

dflprincess

(28,078 posts)
44. So they're attending so that they don't get bullied and called names?
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 10:43 PM
Jan 2017

Really?

No, they're going because they're going to help normalize the SOB. Once again Democrats roll over and take the path of least resistance.

myohmy2

(3,163 posts)
19. I don't get it either...
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 08:46 PM
Jan 2017

'..."peaceful transfer of power" to a person that is con-artist and a sexual predator.'

...are we doing this for the good of the country or for the good of wall-street?

Initech

(100,076 posts)
24. We're doing this for the greater good of Exxon Mobil.
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 08:54 PM
Jan 2017

We cannot allow Tillerson to get his hands on the prize, it would spell doom for the planet.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
25. It's classy of them to do this.
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 08:57 PM
Jan 2017

I don't get the urge to act as snotty as possible. Just stomping our feet and saying no is what the Republicans did. It's one of many reasons I'm not a Republican. The Clintons and Carter are acting like grown ups. They aren't going to support Trump. They are going because the presidency and our democracy are bigger and stronger than Trump, just like they were bigger and stronger than Bush the younger, than Nixon.

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
41. Your point is not lost on me
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 10:02 PM
Jan 2017

But your interpretation of my perspective is disturbing as I don't see the act of not going as "snotty" or foot stomping.
Our president, in no uncertain terms, portrayed trump as unsuitable and even dangerous as he was so irresponsible that he would cause a nuclear war. Trump actual Twitter feed does nothing to dissuade from this opinion.
Trump's own words and actions, captured on video, was that of a deviant sexual predator. Both our president and the Clintons have young daughters, why would they want their daughters to be around them or even touched by him? There is no comparison between trump and bush jr..I wouldn't feel uncomfortable leaving a teenage women alone in the room with bush.

Was it just politics? Did they not mean it? Are we here judging trump to harshly?

Did I misunderstand trump talking about sexually assaulting a woman?

I don't associate with criminals and I sure don't smile at them and shake their hand and congratulate them for "winning" the presidency.

dflprincess

(28,078 posts)
45. Because playing nice with them has worked so well in the past.
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 10:44 PM
Jan 2017

And by being there, they are supporting Trump.

betsuni

(25,530 posts)
26. The embarrassment is Trump's. His fans will see Crooked "Lock Her Up" Hillary up there on stage.
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 09:00 PM
Jan 2017

Oops, broken campaign promise. The Obamas, two Clintons and a Carter. A veritable flock of liberals! Heh, they will not care for that at all.

Rural_Progressive

(1,105 posts)
34. I understand Carter's position but disagree with him
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 09:12 PM
Jan 2017

As an ex-Naval officer Carter was indoctrinated into the idea that you show respect to the uniform not necessarily the wearer of the uniform. Long ago I was a young Coast Guard Hospital Corpsman with my own independent posting on a CG vessel. A young ensign: total jackass who was beyond horrible was assigned to my ship, and all the senior non-commissioned officers recognized him for what he was. I was good friends with a very senior Chief Petty Officer and brought up my frustration with the young jack ass. The chief ran the "respect the uniform even if you don't respect the individual wearing it" spiel past me.

My response back (and normally I never think of something this brilliant to say on the spot) was "If the uniform is that important why do they let a jackass like that wear it?" He didn't have a response.

So I say to all the past presidents, "If the office of the president is so important than why are we allowing an orange skinned, ferret haired, narcissistic, racist, bigoted, misogynistic, self-centered bore assume it." How dare any of you show up and show your support to him becoming one of you.

3catwoman3

(23,987 posts)
49. Th was a great...
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 11:36 PM
Jan 2017

...on the spot answer.

I usually come up with my best rejoinders when I am by myself in my car.

nolabear

(41,963 posts)
35. I disagree. Knowing him, knowing his minions, it can be done right.
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 09:14 PM
Jan 2017

They've stated that it's respect for the democratic process, and it robs him of the ability to shore up his outsider martyr status. But I think they should emphasize that they are concerned for the country and want to do what's best for it. He's going to get himself into enough trouble, and they should be there for us when it happens, to ameliorate what the GOP will wreak.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
38. I disagree. I think it's an embarrassment that acting like an adult in the Democratic Party....
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 09:26 PM
Jan 2017

is looked on with scorn. I don't agree with Trump's agenda, but I also don't want or believe in this all or nothing approach. If Dems can blunt the damage of his legislation and his administration by going to the negotiating table then more power to them.

keithbvadu2

(36,806 posts)
40. Obama is the better man for helping in the transition.
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 09:31 PM
Jan 2017

Has anyone seen Dubya offering to help our country as his own party's Trump is to be inaugurated?

Give Obama some credit and respect for his willingness to help our country.

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
42. In what respect?
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 10:25 PM
Jan 2017

Obama himself left little to the imagination about the disaster of trump having the nuclear codes. That trump is a sexual predator. So why is it so hard to understand why it comes across as a poor decision to tacitly endorse trump's presidency when Obama has left no ambiguity as to how he felt.

Was it just politics? Did he not mean it?
Either it matters or it doesn't.
Yes, I agree there are grey areas in politics but the context and unequivocally blunt comments were more than politics or it otherwise it devalues the seriousness with which those statements were delivered.

angrychair

(8,699 posts)
57. You and I both know
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 02:36 PM
Jan 2017

Trump doesn't give a shit about him. He sent several years spewing racist nonsense about Obama not being a US citizen and being an illegitimate president.

To be clear, trump will have full control of the most powerful military in the history of the human race in a handful of days and he can send them anywhere in the world to do whatever he commands for several days before he even has to tell Congress he did it. He can fire nukes at whoever he wants and no one in control of those nukes can say "no" but even if they did he can just replace them with someone that will do it.

Nothing Obama can say or do to make that better.

keithbvadu2

(36,806 posts)
48. It's still a matter of Obama helping the country. -- to angrychair
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 11:26 PM
Jan 2017

Trump is going to be inaugurated no matter how distasteful it may be.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
55. Confusing tradition with result is your first flaw.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 01:23 PM
Jan 2017

Confusing tradition with result is your first flaw.

Response to angrychair (Original post)

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underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
76. I think former presidents should attend Trump's coup ceremony
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 03:28 PM
Jan 2017

This is decorum. But we as consumers do not have to watch.

We can try something really unique by taking responsibility for what we choose to consume. It's on us.

TygrBright

(20,760 posts)
77. Quite right. I will not feel kindly towards any Democrats who participate in any way.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 03:30 PM
Jan 2017


Simply stay away.

That's all I ask.

Let them have their little deploraball with their "movement" friends.

Hanging around "movements" like that can get you all kinds o' nasty exposure to e. coli and worse.

Not to mention the smell.

disgustedly,
Bright
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