One of the opposition research memos quotes an unidentified Russian source as claiming that the hacking and leaking of Democratic emails was carried out “with the full knowledge and support of TRUMP and senior members of his campaign team.” In return, the memo said, “the TRUMP team had agreed to sideline Russian intervention in Ukraine as a campaign issue” because Mr. Putin “needed to cauterize the subject.”
and sideline the issue they did. This cannot be explained away. This did happen in real time

protect the visits with Russian agents. A shrewd man such as Cohen would know to cover his tracks for his treason!

require a stamp, if one has come from an EU country.

Have your laughs and get them out of our collective system.

It's the COLLUSION.

follow the money. They must own him. It's the only thing he really responds to, money.

Last edited Wed Jan 11, 2017, 02:36 PM - Edit history (1)

Like it or not, and I really find it depressing, the "golden showers" are what will rally the middle of the electorate against tRump. Unfortunately a significant percentage of our electorate doesn't even know what the word "collusion" means.

We have a society that is driven by emotion not logic. Look at the ads for everything, all emotionally driven. We keep thinking that if we just give people facts and logic they will vote for candidates that embody facts and logic. It just ain't so at this point.

Can a republic survive this type of society? I don't see how but I've been wrong on many things and I truly hope I'm wrong on this. Despair is not an option but I really have to work at not giving in to it on days like today.

although not so much in the last 2 weeks. I may lose my social security and medicare, and that worries me greatly. Lately I've been contemplating chaos as being an opportunity. Mostly, we think of chaos as being dreadful, and it is. But order always follows chaos, just as order always devolves into chaos. It's a cyclical thing. I'm hoping that the Trump presidency and the criminality of the Republican party will so over-reach, so over outrage, so over damage people in their daily lives, that finally finally, people will start to value moral integrity again.

We have lost our moral compass. Traded it in for the greedy pursuit of money at any cost. We are now reaping the results of some dreadful karma that we have caused upon ourselves. We have stopped practicing the Golden rule of treating others as we want to be treated. Not all of us of course. But enough of us to form the critical mass that has enabled this horror to descend upon us.

What else can I say? We have voted again and again to install corrupt people, easily swayed by money to govern us. There will be no Jesus to drive the money changers out of the temple. There will be no Jesus to overturn their tables. We have to do that ourselves. It is the love of money, not the money itself, but the greedy desire to acquire money that is the root of all evil. We shall not get out of this chaos unless we rectify our moral compass.

a thought from one of my favorite spiritual compasses, Matthew Fox.

Using a system of roads as an analogy, in all things that matter our society has been driving very rapidly down a dead end road. Will there be a cul-de-sac for us to turn around in or are we going to smush our faces on one of those signs they put at the end of a road. No question we're running out of road, the only hope is we've left ourselves with enough wiggle room to head in a more sustainable direction.

Fox talks about our being in the "dark night of the soul" From your post I suspect you're familiar with the concept. Reading about it, meditating about it, really didn't prepare me to be living in it on a global scale. The only relief I've been able to find is by using different techniques to increase my emotional resiliency.

The darkness is never dispelled by more darkness. Each of us has the potential to be a spark of light, put enough of us together and we can help the world get through this storm.

Namaste

It takes critical mass to effect change. From nuclear physics to politics to personal situations, it takes critical mass to generate enough energy to effect change. I advocate for each of us to clean up our own moral failings and rectify our own moral compass. Get back to consciously practicing the Golden rule of treating others as we wish to be treated. Stop chasing after money. Our elected officials are a reflection of our selves. When there is a critical mass of people, who demand moral integrity, rather than "me first," then we might have a shot at cleaning up this mess.

We live in degenerate times. Sending you a ray of sunshine and a prayer for calm abiding.

I had to trash a few words this morning. I know everyone is loving the memes - but the overall actions are far more important than the potential content in the videos.

Also re receipts - I want his daughter investigated. She took a vacay out of the blue with Wendy (sp?) Deng - who I've read at DU is possibly Putin's girlfriend?

Means treason!

As our entire election process has been compromised, seems like a re-do is in order? That is, after we jail the facists.

This is never happened before in US history, so a re-do election may not be as crazy as it sounds.

I wonder if this extends into senate and congressional elections.....maybe vote purges... I dunno... BUT, if I were the GOP and Russia helped get me elected, I would want the focus to be on the buffoon in office and not the rest of us...

She lost. There were probably more than just one democratic nominee who was targeted.

No one person could convince me that the elections in Indiana were not fixed. Those Republicans who had no chance of winning suddenly beat their Democratic opponent by the small margin required to not contest the results.

Who thinks that, when billions of $$ are at stake, the 'pukes would hesitate to manipulate elections? The same applies to those few key swing states where Hillary "lost" by a few 10,000 votes.

n/t

.... elections (I think many many downticket races were efffected too) then
he has to go from office.

This election has never passed my smell test. It was a coup and we had
treason by Trump, McConnell, and Comey.

that this SHAM election hasn't been summarily flushed down a toilet and re-run again. How can we just sit back and allow a pussy-grabbing, daughter-lusting, lie-spewing, international shit-stirring illiterate to ascend to the highest and most critical seat of this nation?

Supposedly they've got it on tape. Not that the answers of a pathological liar are worth a damn.

asking the commies to hack Hill emails. He belongs in prison.

* We don’t know if it was Russia doing the hacking. Nothing to see here move along ... nothing is here move along.

* The hacking of a major party’s computers (DNC). How did Trump know the DNC had been hacked?

* Trump called for Russia to hack Hillary Clinton’s campaign and State Dept. records. Which is a crime.

That's a suspiciously pinko color there!

It goes something like this:

"Don't pick a fight with a newspaper, they buy their ink by the barrel".

It's their PROFESSION AND FULL-TIME JOB to dig up news that contains dirt on politicians and power-brokers, because those politicians and power-brokers are actively using their public persona to tell a different story. As good as a Trump PR machine may be, they are no New York Times. He may fool those who only WATCH the news, but not those who read and understand it.

Treason is specifically defined in law within the US Constitution. The reason it was put there is to prevent a charge of treason being used as a political weapon.

Those who casually fling "treason" around here apparently do not understand why it was specifically defined in our most cherished body of law in the first place.

I do not know if what Drumpf has done rises to that level. That's up to the judiciary to decide, if that question ever comes up.

The NYT correctly characterizes this as "potentionally treasonous". I am sure that their lawyers are acutely aware of the legal status of those words.

Here is Article III, Section 3 of the US Constitution:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

In other words guilt is not passed on through bloodline.

Aid - insisting the GOP drop it's opposition to Russia's actions in the Ukrain, and
Comfort - Trumps constant denial of Russia's involvement in violating international law by interferring in our election.

We are not at war with Russia. We aren't even in a Cold War with them. Russia launches NASA astronauts to the ISS, for Christ sakes.

Now, I think Putin's a fucking jerk. But I don't think it is in the US interest to consider us at war with Russia, or to consider them an enemy.

As always, the judicial interpretation of the US Constitution is multifactorial (whether one likes that or not). Therein lies a charge of treason.

My best to you.

What is the specific relevance of the one story on the other?

Trump committed his first widely recognized act of treason when he called upon Russian hackers to keep on hacking into and releasing Hillary's e-mails while the campaign was still going on. Any citizen of any country who calls for a second country to interfere with the election process from a broad public platform such as trump had and did is committing an act of treason. trump continues to downplay the seriousness of Russian interference with a US election by blaming the dems for not having as secure a system as the republicans supposedly did and also stated that "many" countries have also hacked into the computers of various other American government entities. This is like saying that Russia's actions were okay because all the other kids were (supposedly) doing the same.

trump is not my president nor is he America's president. Not only did he lose the popular vote in the US, but he apparently won the vote in Russia through subversive means.

Comrade trump - 143.5 million Russians can't be wrong.

Couldn't agree more. Oh, and welcome to DU. Glad to have you on the board.

Actually, I've been around for a while, but when the Great Election Day Hack occurred, it seemed easier to get back on the board by signing up with a new user name rather than attemptig to recover my old one. I like "Mountain Mule" better than my old name, anyhow. This board and you folks are about all that is keeping me sane during these dark days for our country.

Trump is working with the Russian spies!

They put it into the subjunctive: "would amount to extremely serious, potentially treasonous acts."

What jumped out to me was how they mentioned that the dossier was "opposition research" five times.

And how they stressed that the material was uncorroborated; unproven (they used "unsubstantiated" six times); they called it "unverified, defamatory material."

This piece had so much punch-pulling in it that it read to me almost like a defense of Trump. Very different in tone to the kind of stories they published on Hillary Clinton. Not even one mention of how this is a "cloud" or a "shadow" on Trump, lol.

....and probably provable. Unlike the pee in a hotel room story which I think is a fake out to discredit the reporting of these real and far more more important life and death stories.

It doesnt cost much to get a subscription

i expect the shoe should drop any time now.

Section 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.


OR.

We also have a sitting FBI director who, with malice and forethought, subverted and sabotaged the presidential election. Now he is slow-walking intelligence reports and findings for the same purpose. At what point does his behavior become treason?

it's on page 2, #2

as for commy conway...I don't think even she can lie her way out of this.....she is peeing in her pants.

The intelligence report is now every where and i don't care who leaked it, it needed to be leaked....trump and his team colluded with our #1 enemy during the election to sway the outcome.

If he isn't being audited/investigated by the IRS, he is now...along with the CIA, FBI, NSA, treasury department, and allies around the world.

Fuck trump and his team..they played their games with false salacious reports, lies upon lies, crude condemnation of the press and intelligence agencies...while praising putin and russia. How the hell can people not see that he is a puppet of putin.

is golden shower salacious news? yep, this asshole deserves it, expect more leaks from the press, intelligence agencies, his enemnies, and our allies.

maybe someone from his campaign who is not a part of the collusion will do the leaking? (pun consciously unintentional)