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factfinder_77

(841 posts)
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 10:13 PM Jan 2017

Trumps fucks NAFTA: Mexico,Canada buy more than 1/3 of goods export, supports 14 million jobs,

President Donald Trump said Sunday he will begin renegotiating the North American Free Trade Agreement when he meets with the leaders of Canada and Mexico.

A central promise of Trump's campaign was that he would revamp the 23-year-old trade pact.


http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/22/politics/trump-renegotiate-nafta/

NAFTA has areas it could improve upon, regards to labor and environmental rules that is. But in Trumps perverted world view, the agreement has a negative impact on US job numbers.

What the fuck is wrong with him..sorry for my rude language...
Oh..the alternative facts:

https://www.uschamber.com/report/nafta-triumphant-assessing-two-decades-gains-trade-growth-and-jobs

With a two-decade record to examine, it’s plain the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) has generated substantial new opportunities for U.S. workers, farmers, consumers, and businesses.
Since NAFTA entered into force in 1994, trade with Canada and Mexico has nearly quadrupled to $1.3 trillion, and the two countries buy more than one-third of U.S. merchandise exports.
Trade with Canada and Mexico supports nearly 14 million U.S. jobs, and nearly 5 million of these net jobs are supported by the increase in trade generated by NAFTA, according to a comprehensive economic study commissioned by the U.S. Chamber.
The expansion of trade unleashed by NAFTA supports tens of thousands of jobs in each of the 50 states—and more than 100,000 jobs in each of 17 states.
NAFTA has been a boon to the competitiveness of U.S. manufacturers, which added more than 800,000 jobs in the four years after NAFTA entered into force. Canadians and Mexicans purchased $487 billion of U.S. manufactured goods in 2014, generating nearly $40,000 in export revenue for every American factory worker.
NAFTA has been a bonanza for U.S. farmers and ranchers, helping U.S. agricultural exports to Canada and Mexico to increase by 350%.
With new market access and clearer rules afforded by NAFTA, U.S. services exports to Canada and Mexico have tripled, rising from $27 billion in 1993 to $92 billion in 2014.
Canada and Mexico are the top two export destinations for U.S. small and medium-size enterprises, more than 126,000 of which sold their goods and services in Canada and Mexico in 2013.
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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. Trump and a lot of Democrats believe we'll be better off trading among ourselves
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 10:23 PM
Jan 2017

and increasing tariffs on imported goods. We might get to find out the truth.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
4. The millions of manufacturing jobs that fled to Asia had nothing to do with NAFTA. They don't need
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 10:42 PM
Jan 2017

a trade deal to motivate their quest for cheap labor.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
5. Do you think Trump will only support Tariffs on Mexican goods. Asia is next. Trade will
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 10:49 PM
Jan 2017

be WW3 and we will lose.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
6. That wasn't my point. I was essentially agreeing with you. Many think getting rid of NAFTA will
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 11:11 PM
Jan 2017

solve our problems. But, NAFTA had nothing to do with corporate America's thirst for cheap labor.

 

factfinder_77

(841 posts)
9. Clinton, Sanders and Trump responsible for that. The trade discussion was hollow and incoherent
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 11:36 PM
Jan 2017

Industrialized countries has an aging population, and cannot sustain on purely domestic consumption.
Robotics is the future in manufacturing and will replace repetitive manual labor, killing trade agreements will NOT get the jobs back and put food on the table.

CincyDem

(6,404 posts)
2. He'll do EXACTLY what he does when he takes over a hotel...
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 10:24 PM
Jan 2017


...he has a big press conference about how great the new hotel will be. The most wonderful-est hotel in the city, not like that flophouse it was before he took over. Then he slaps on a coat of paint, sprays some febreeze around the lobby and hangs his name on the front.

Voila - the new improved and amazing new Trump hotel. And consumers suck it up.

NAFTA will look exactly like it does today but it'll have a new coat of paint and and new smell - and it will be the best-est thing for workers, the first step in Making America Great Again.

But underneath, it'll be the same agreement.
 

Uponthegears

(1,499 posts)
3. Since sourcing from right wing groups
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 10:37 PM
Jan 2017

Like the USCoC is frowned upon (and they might have a sizable dog in this fight), here's more balanced view of NAFTA

http://connectusfund.org/list-of-13-main-pros-and-cons-of-nafta

 

factfinder_77

(841 posts)
8. its a fact of life that living conditions, costs and wages differ from continent to continent.
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 11:29 PM
Jan 2017

Consumers and manufactures alike want cheap, inexpensive products and goods. You cannot blame a trade agreement for creating social diversity that is historically, socially and culturally inherited.

 

Uponthegears

(1,499 posts)
12. Are you seriously suggesting
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 10:00 AM
Jan 2017

That the current cultural stratification (and by that I include the degree of the same) in Latin America, particularly Mexico is unrelated to NAFTA?

Obviously cultural stratification in countries like Mexico is centuries old and grounded as much in racial discrimination as it is economic oppression. However, the exacerbation of this stratification after NAFTA is beyond question.

For example: In countries like Mexico, the maquiladoras, which were once inhabited by multiple thousands of people making (admittedly, just) enough to live on, were turned into places where the relatively few number of factory workers did indeed multiply their annual incomes many times OVER (and yet no where near American wages and without American health and safety protections), but EVERYONE ELSE in these towns faced a radically inflated cost of living that left them no longer able to survive living their traditional way of life (but yet not reaping the wage rewards which had inured to the factory workers). Accordingly when looking across the whole of Latin America, MILLIONS of people were no longer able to survive but only a few thousand had new manufacturing jobs. Not only did thousands die of starvation etc., thousands more died at the hands of corporately-controlled Latin American governments when they tried to rise up against starvation AND thousands more died as a consequence of the "replacement economies" (criminal enterprises, including drug trafficking) which provided the only alternative to starvation in communities where their indigenous economies had been destroyed. This phenomena was repeated on a smaller scale in the farming communities where the thousands upon thousands of subsistence farmers were unable to compete with global agri-business which, because of the latter's logistical superiority (i.e., ability to get goods to distant markets) and the economies of scale were able to offer greater reliability and lower prices. They lost everything . . . their land, their families, and after the brutal crackdowns by their governments, their lives.

Yes, this disparity of wealth and power has always existed, but the DEGREE of oppression following NAFTA is unrivaled since the days when Spanish enslaved the indigenous populations.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
10. I actually heard on the radio in Texas
Sun Jan 22, 2017, 11:38 PM
Jan 2017

that Texas businessmen were secretly trying to negotiate the NAFTA deal because of the money that will be lost....but since the republikkan was running on it--they did it silently.

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