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January 23, 2017 By Taegan Goddard
Rolling Stone offers an anecdote from when Mike Pence invited Democratic legislators to the governors mansion for dinner:
The legislators looked at one another, speaking with their eyes: He just called his wife Mother.
Maybe it was a joke, the legislator reasoned. But a few minutes later, Pence shouted again.
Mother, Mother, whose china are we eating on?
Mother Pence went on a long discourse about where the china was from. A little later, the legislators stumbled out, wondering what was weirder: Pences inability to make conversation, or calling his wife Mother in the second decade of the 21st century.
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https://politicalwire.com/2017/01/23/pence-calls-wife-mother/
rzemanfl
(29,570 posts)50 Shades Of Blue
(10,053 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,869 posts)That might explain why he accepted the VP gig.
dhill926
(16,364 posts)I would worry more about the inability to make conversation. And of course the fact that he's a religious ideologue one step away from the presidency...
Island Blue
(5,819 posts)He's a very strange & scary dude.
Jacob Boehme
(789 posts)cynatnite
(31,011 posts)It's not that unusual in many households.
But Dad certainly would not do it publicly. The joke fell flat, but the public endearment is weird to me.
Baconator
(1,459 posts)Usually not that formal but some variant of "Mom, Mama, Dad, Daddy, Grandma, Gran etc...)
woodsprite
(11,927 posts)My great-grandfather used to call my great-grandmother "Mother" and she called him "Father", but they had 11 kids. I assumed they just got into addressing each other that way when the kids were little and over the years, the habit stuck. If they ever addressed each other by their first names, it was probably only in private.
Retrograde
(10,162 posts)If she doesn't mind, it's strictly their business. Consenting adults and all that. I'll save my indignation for when Pence steps on the rights of the LGBT community, non-Christians, and anyone else who disagrees with him.
woodsprite
(11,927 posts)SamKnause
(13,110 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Married 22 years. My husband will occasionally call me Mom and I'll occasionally call him Dad. As both our sets of parents did.
No big deal guys. Perhaps we can move on to more sensible outrages against Pence and Trump?
GusBob
(7,286 posts)"Mom" Momster, Mamma, Momsicle, etc.
Some folks take great offense to it for some reason
SamKnause
(13,110 posts)There was no outrage, only a comment.
I don't need any instructions from on where my outrage should lie.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)You choose to focus on the irrelevant and the irrational and allow it a moral judgment lacking any evidence to support it, and yet you need no instructions how to do so. We get it. We really do.
mythology
(9,527 posts)That's indicative of a certain emotional response and one that is very negative.
csziggy
(34,138 posts)The idiosyncrasy of parents calling each other Mother or Father has been a staple in some places for well over a hundred years. For some of my friends, it seemed their parents didn't want to confuse the children by using a name for the parents different than the one the children were supposed to use. Those parents also seemed to be more formal in public and seldom used their given names around others. It's a non-issue for me.
On the other hand, Pence antagonism toward the LGTB community, refusal to accept federal funding for Pre-K education, abortion obsession, and habit of adhering to his ideology rather than doing what is best for his constituents are far more relevant and disturbing.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)My grandpa would call his wife grandma sometimes.
There was never any ill towards them and they didn't take it as such. Plus, these were people who were married for decades.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Your hang-ups and intolerance are yours. Try not to project them onto too many others.
haele
(12,681 posts)It's also very old fashioned. Ronald Reagan supposedly occasionally called Nancy "Mommy" when he was being "folksy" and inviting the public into his family, but he didn't do it constantly, and certainly would not have done so when asking for her advice or for semi-authoritative information from her in public.
I remember my Great-grandmother from Missouri, born in 1887, still referred to her late spouse as "Father" (as opposed to "your father) when talking about him to around family when we were visiting up through the 1970's and 1980's - but not when there were other visitors. Maybe if Great-Grandfather was still around (he died in the late 1960's), she might have called out "Father" if she was calling him, as some older novels and film show "country folk" doing when talking to each other, or talking about each other when the other is there.
It's rather like spouses calling each other Mr. and Mrs. [Last Name Here] in public.
However, both ways of addressing spouses have pretty much fallen out of general use since WWII. Society has moved passed assuming that spouses were "one unit", that the wife was an extension of the husband.
And it is very odd that Mr. Pence will identify his wife as only the mother of his children, rather than a woman of her own and or even as an adult extension of himself (i,e., calling her "Mrs. Pence..." when she is supposed to be in a position of prominence. It belittles her in public to call her "Mother".
Haele
cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)and because I am a fan of the dumpy little lady, I like it. Not something to make fun of, imo. If anything, it tends to humanize Pence, which is a bad thing.
Ms. Toad
(34,102 posts)The term of endearment you use for your spouse, assuming it is agreeable to your spouse, should be of no interest at all to anyone else.
And yes, I have family members who use that term (or similar ones) for their spouses.
Let's pick on him for the stuff that matters.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Old fashioned and kind of icky when expressed like that in public. People have all kinds of names for their loved ones that they wouldn't say in public.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Way old timey....
Bengus81
(6,933 posts)for my grandmother--they were both born around 1900. Bill Lear--yeah that Lear, did the same with his last wife Moya. He was born in 1902
dionysus
(26,467 posts)On xmas present tags!!
That article makes me laugh rather than get mad...
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)Doreen
(11,686 posts)Usually older generations do that. It might actually be a respectful recognition that they are mothers. I do not know but I have heard it before.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)My husband thinks (often says) that I'm a great mom to our now college-age girls. Don't know about that. But I know that's his intent when he occasionally calls me Mom.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)Which irritates the fuck out of me..
kimbutgar
(21,211 posts)I have met many men who are super religious that refer to their wives as mother.
He no longer views wife as wife but mother. I wonder what he calls his boyfriend? (Snark)
ElkeH
(105 posts)I have seen this a few times now. The husband calls the wife "Mother" or "Mom" or "Ma" and she calls him "Father" or "Dad" or "Pa." They are pretty much always older people.
As long as both are happy with the arrangement, there are many more things to worry about with Pence than what he calls his wife.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)She did say it is normal for people in some areas and the older generations to say that and it is a term of respect. Sorry to make him look normal but it is just the facts. No, not alternative fact.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)nini
(16,672 posts)My grandpa did the same with my grandma.
no biggie really.
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)there are some issues there.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)Those dumb people do this.
dembotoz
(16,844 posts)PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)If she had gone outside or down to the basement and he was looking for her, he might ask, "Do you know where mother went?" I didn't find it strange or weird at all.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)would ask the children, "Where is YOUR Mother", not just plain Mother. That adjective makes all the difference. My Dad called my Mom by her first name, or sometimes for endearment, "Sophia" because she was Italian and people said she looked like the actress.
My husband (of 42 years) just calls me by a shortened form of my first name.
Skittles
(153,202 posts)I also detest anyone referring to "the wife"
melman
(7,681 posts)and so did John Lennon, btw.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)Speaks to the isolation of the person at the link.
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)Reagan called Nancy "Mommy" .
madokie
(51,076 posts)affectionately as Gramma sometimes since we became grand parents close to 10 years ago. She likewise refers to me as grampa. I love it.
Mother I guess would be ok in this sense.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)So is Pence, evidently.
dcbuckeye
(80 posts)Andy Hardy's dad, Judge Hardy, in the 1940s series of movies starring Mickey Rooney, used to call his wife "Mother" in the movies. That's the most "modern" version I've heard it. Pence must really be backward.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Jersey Devil
(9,875 posts)Very old fashioned but certainly not unheard of.
Wabbajack_
(1,300 posts)Ugh
Mike Nelson
(9,969 posts)...normal in homes. I wonder about its use in a professional setting, though - his attempt as being human? I can see it used as part of sex, too, and highly inappropriate if that's his trip. I don't mind playful politically incorrect sex terms, but not in public.
BeyondGeography
(39,383 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,213 posts)Ok, doing it in public when there are no children involved is odd. But, i've heard people doing this my whole life. This is nothing unusual and if i'm going to hate on Pence (and i will) it's not going to be for something like this.
frankieallen
(583 posts)frogmarch
(12,160 posts)when he's talking to our poodle: "Is mommy making your suppy, mr. baby?"
At least Pence didn't call her Goody, the Puritan term for Goodwife.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)the weird thing. He doesn't have young kids there...besides himself.
WillowTree
(5,325 posts)BainsBane
(53,072 posts)with their spouses. It's creepy to me but whatever. It's their choice.