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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 02:07 PM Jan 2017

Pence Calls His Wife 'Mother'

January 23, 2017 By Taegan Goddard

Rolling Stone offers an anecdote from when Mike Pence invited Democratic legislators to the governor’s mansion for dinner:

“Mother, Mother, who prepared our meal this evening?”

The legislators looked at one another, speaking with their eyes: He just called his wife “Mother.”

Maybe it was a joke, the legislator reasoned. But a few minutes later, Pence shouted again.

“Mother, Mother, whose china are we eating on?”

Mother Pence went on a long discourse about where the china was from. A little later, the legislators stumbled out, wondering what was weirder: Pence’s inability to make conversation, or calling his wife “Mother” in the second decade of the 21st century.


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https://politicalwire.com/2017/01/23/pence-calls-wife-mother/
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Pence Calls His Wife 'Mother' (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2017 OP
I call him "fucker." It's a twofer. n/t rzemanfl Jan 2017 #1
LOL! 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2017 #26
lol snap! Cha Jan 2017 #56
I am under the impression that Pence is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #2
really not all that unusual in some places.... dhill926 Jan 2017 #3
Does he always say it twice, as well? Island Blue Jan 2017 #4
A 'Twisted Sister' is he. Jacob Boehme Jan 2017 #18
My dad would call my mother "mama"... cynatnite Jan 2017 #5
I know several folks that do this... Baconator Jan 2017 #6
It's a very old fashioned thing to do. How many kids do they have? woodsprite Jan 2017 #7
Abraham Lincoln often referred to his wife as "Mother", FWIW Retrograde Jan 2017 #17
Yup! There's a hell of a lot more to worry about Pence than what he calls his wife. n/t woodsprite Jan 2017 #19
It is disgusting when men refer to their wives as mother. SamKnause Jan 2017 #8
Oh, please. kstewart33 Jan 2017 #25
we do the same GusBob Jan 2017 #29
Good for you. SamKnause Jan 2017 #30
you choose to focus on the irrelevant and the irrational, you need no instructions how to LanternWaste Jan 2017 #44
You called it disgusting mythology Jan 2017 #49
Yes - there are MUCH more important issues in that article to be concerned about! csziggy Jan 2017 #47
My dad would call my mother "mama"... cynatnite Jan 2017 #36
Your hang-ups are yours. Try not to project them onto others. LanternWaste Jan 2017 #45
It's regional. In some areas, once they have children, the spouses identify each other as a parent. haele Jan 2017 #9
I agree that it's regional and a little old-fashioned cyclonefence Jan 2017 #10
Oh, please. This is a stupid fight to pick. Ms. Toad Jan 2017 #11
Did she reply "father father" to the old goober? SharonClark Jan 2017 #12
To be fair, that's some old-timey shit that used to be common. dionysus Jan 2017 #13
Yup....had a grandfather that used the term Bengus81 Jan 2017 #21
My parents called themselves grammie and grampie.. TO OUR CAT dionysus Jan 2017 #35
Welcome to Bates Motel n/t ProudLib72 Jan 2017 #14
I have heard that used before on women from their husbands. Doreen Jan 2017 #15
Bingo, Doreen. kstewart33 Jan 2017 #41
Might be a generation thing...my Aunt calls her husband 'Daddy' HipChick Jan 2017 #16
This is a typical christofascist thing kimbutgar Jan 2017 #20
Pence is not the only one ElkeH Jan 2017 #22
I just talked to my 78 year old mother. Doreen Jan 2017 #23
Very old-timey. Fred Williard's character on Everybody Loves Raymond did that. Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2017 #24
I call my husband papa a lot because my grandson does nini Jan 2017 #27
so he is literally a MFer Fresh_Start Jan 2017 #28
I have never heard a smart person do this scscholar Jan 2017 #31
if i call she who must be obeyed mom....they would have to send out search teams for my teeth dembotoz Jan 2017 #32
My dad (born in 1918) would sometimes refer to my mom as 'mother'. For example: PearliePoo2 Jan 2017 #33
Both my Dad (born 1919) and my Husband HockeyMom Jan 2017 #59
VERY creepy Skittles Jan 2017 #34
My dad does that melman Jan 2017 #37
Many, many people do this. former9thward Jan 2017 #38
It's a generational thing, (but it always skeeved me out when ... 11 Bravo Jan 2017 #39
I refer to my wife madokie Jan 2017 #40
That's creepy and weird. alarimer Jan 2017 #42
Andy Hardy's dad did this dcbuckeye Jan 2017 #43
... Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #46
Reagan referred to his wife Nancy as "Mommy" Jersey Devil Jan 2017 #48
He looks like a long lost Bush brother Wabbajack_ Jan 2017 #50
This is... Mike Nelson Jan 2017 #51
So fucking what? BeyondGeography Jan 2017 #52
Color Me Disinterested ProfessorGAC Jan 2017 #53
That is quite common actually, as long as they have children. frankieallen Jan 2017 #54
mr. froggy calls me mommy frogmarch Jan 2017 #55
We do this in our house....but we have very young children. Pence doing it...and saying it twice is cbdo2007 Jan 2017 #57
My parents both did that sometimes. What's the big deal? WillowTree Jan 2017 #58
I know people who do similar things BainsBane Jan 2017 #60

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,869 posts)
2. I am under the impression that Pence is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 02:08 PM
Jan 2017

That might explain why he accepted the VP gig.

dhill926

(16,364 posts)
3. really not all that unusual in some places....
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 02:10 PM
Jan 2017

I would worry more about the inability to make conversation. And of course the fact that he's a religious ideologue one step away from the presidency...

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
5. My dad would call my mother "mama"...
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 02:11 PM
Jan 2017

It's not that unusual in many households.

But Dad certainly would not do it publicly. The joke fell flat, but the public endearment is weird to me.

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
6. I know several folks that do this...
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 02:11 PM
Jan 2017

Usually not that formal but some variant of "Mom, Mama, Dad, Daddy, Grandma, Gran etc...)

woodsprite

(11,927 posts)
7. It's a very old fashioned thing to do. How many kids do they have?
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 02:13 PM
Jan 2017

My great-grandfather used to call my great-grandmother "Mother" and she called him "Father", but they had 11 kids. I assumed they just got into addressing each other that way when the kids were little and over the years, the habit stuck. If they ever addressed each other by their first names, it was probably only in private.

Retrograde

(10,162 posts)
17. Abraham Lincoln often referred to his wife as "Mother", FWIW
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 02:45 PM
Jan 2017

If she doesn't mind, it's strictly their business. Consenting adults and all that. I'll save my indignation for when Pence steps on the rights of the LGBT community, non-Christians, and anyone else who disagrees with him.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
25. Oh, please.
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 03:04 PM
Jan 2017

Married 22 years. My husband will occasionally call me Mom and I'll occasionally call him Dad. As both our sets of parents did.

No big deal guys. Perhaps we can move on to more sensible outrages against Pence and Trump?

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
29. we do the same
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 03:07 PM
Jan 2017

"Mom" Momster, Mamma, Momsicle, etc.

Some folks take great offense to it for some reason

SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
30. Good for you.
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 03:09 PM
Jan 2017

There was no outrage, only a comment.

I don't need any instructions from on where my outrage should lie.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
44. you choose to focus on the irrelevant and the irrational, you need no instructions how to
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 05:06 PM
Jan 2017

You choose to focus on the irrelevant and the irrational and allow it a moral judgment lacking any evidence to support it, and yet you need no instructions how to do so. We get it. We really do.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
49. You called it disgusting
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 05:23 PM
Jan 2017

That's indicative of a certain emotional response and one that is very negative.

csziggy

(34,138 posts)
47. Yes - there are MUCH more important issues in that article to be concerned about!
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 05:09 PM
Jan 2017

The idiosyncrasy of parents calling each other Mother or Father has been a staple in some places for well over a hundred years. For some of my friends, it seemed their parents didn't want to confuse the children by using a name for the parents different than the one the children were supposed to use. Those parents also seemed to be more formal in public and seldom used their given names around others. It's a non-issue for me.

On the other hand, Pence antagonism toward the LGTB community, refusal to accept federal funding for Pre-K education, abortion obsession, and habit of adhering to his ideology rather than doing what is best for his constituents are far more relevant and disturbing.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
36. My dad would call my mother "mama"...
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 03:29 PM
Jan 2017

My grandpa would call his wife grandma sometimes.

There was never any ill towards them and they didn't take it as such. Plus, these were people who were married for decades.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
45. Your hang-ups are yours. Try not to project them onto others.
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 05:07 PM
Jan 2017

Your hang-ups and intolerance are yours. Try not to project them onto too many others.

haele

(12,681 posts)
9. It's regional. In some areas, once they have children, the spouses identify each other as a parent.
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 02:30 PM
Jan 2017

It's also very old fashioned. Ronald Reagan supposedly occasionally called Nancy "Mommy" when he was being "folksy" and inviting the public into his family, but he didn't do it constantly, and certainly would not have done so when asking for her advice or for semi-authoritative information from her in public.
I remember my Great-grandmother from Missouri, born in 1887, still referred to her late spouse as "Father" (as opposed to "your father) when talking about him to around family when we were visiting up through the 1970's and 1980's - but not when there were other visitors. Maybe if Great-Grandfather was still around (he died in the late 1960's), she might have called out "Father" if she was calling him, as some older novels and film show "country folk" doing when talking to each other, or talking about each other when the other is there.

It's rather like spouses calling each other Mr. and Mrs. [Last Name Here] in public.

However, both ways of addressing spouses have pretty much fallen out of general use since WWII. Society has moved passed assuming that spouses were "one unit", that the wife was an extension of the husband.

And it is very odd that Mr. Pence will identify his wife as only the mother of his children, rather than a woman of her own and or even as an adult extension of himself (i,e., calling her "Mrs. Pence...&quot when she is supposed to be in a position of prominence. It belittles her in public to call her "Mother".

Haele

cyclonefence

(4,483 posts)
10. I agree that it's regional and a little old-fashioned
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 02:33 PM
Jan 2017

and because I am a fan of the dumpy little lady, I like it. Not something to make fun of, imo. If anything, it tends to humanize Pence, which is a bad thing.

Ms. Toad

(34,102 posts)
11. Oh, please. This is a stupid fight to pick.
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 02:36 PM
Jan 2017

The term of endearment you use for your spouse, assuming it is agreeable to your spouse, should be of no interest at all to anyone else.

And yes, I have family members who use that term (or similar ones) for their spouses.

Let's pick on him for the stuff that matters.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
12. Did she reply "father father" to the old goober?
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 02:38 PM
Jan 2017

Old fashioned and kind of icky when expressed like that in public. People have all kinds of names for their loved ones that they wouldn't say in public.

Bengus81

(6,933 posts)
21. Yup....had a grandfather that used the term
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 02:54 PM
Jan 2017

for my grandmother--they were both born around 1900. Bill Lear--yeah that Lear, did the same with his last wife Moya. He was born in 1902

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
35. My parents called themselves grammie and grampie.. TO OUR CAT
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 03:26 PM
Jan 2017

On xmas present tags!!

That article makes me laugh rather than get mad...

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
15. I have heard that used before on women from their husbands.
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 02:42 PM
Jan 2017

Usually older generations do that. It might actually be a respectful recognition that they are mothers. I do not know but I have heard it before.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
41. Bingo, Doreen.
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 03:49 PM
Jan 2017

My husband thinks (often says) that I'm a great mom to our now college-age girls. Don't know about that. But I know that's his intent when he occasionally calls me Mom.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
16. Might be a generation thing...my Aunt calls her husband 'Daddy'
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 02:43 PM
Jan 2017

Which irritates the fuck out of me..

kimbutgar

(21,211 posts)
20. This is a typical christofascist thing
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 02:52 PM
Jan 2017

I have met many men who are super religious that refer to their wives as mother.

He no longer views wife as wife but mother. I wonder what he calls his boyfriend? (Snark)

 

ElkeH

(105 posts)
22. Pence is not the only one
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 02:54 PM
Jan 2017

I have seen this a few times now. The husband calls the wife "Mother" or "Mom" or "Ma" and she calls him "Father" or "Dad" or "Pa." They are pretty much always older people.

As long as both are happy with the arrangement, there are many more things to worry about with Pence than what he calls his wife.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
23. I just talked to my 78 year old mother.
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 02:58 PM
Jan 2017

She did say it is normal for people in some areas and the older generations to say that and it is a term of respect. Sorry to make him look normal but it is just the facts. No, not alternative fact.

nini

(16,672 posts)
27. I call my husband papa a lot because my grandson does
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 03:05 PM
Jan 2017

My grandpa did the same with my grandma.

no biggie really.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
33. My dad (born in 1918) would sometimes refer to my mom as 'mother'. For example:
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 03:17 PM
Jan 2017

If she had gone outside or down to the basement and he was looking for her, he might ask, "Do you know where mother went?" I didn't find it strange or weird at all.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
59. Both my Dad (born 1919) and my Husband
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 10:35 AM
Jan 2017

would ask the children, "Where is YOUR Mother", not just plain Mother. That adjective makes all the difference. My Dad called my Mom by her first name, or sometimes for endearment, "Sophia" because she was Italian and people said she looked like the actress.

My husband (of 42 years) just calls me by a shortened form of my first name.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
40. I refer to my wife
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 03:45 PM
Jan 2017

affectionately as Gramma sometimes since we became grand parents close to 10 years ago. She likewise refers to me as grampa. I love it.

Mother I guess would be ok in this sense.

dcbuckeye

(80 posts)
43. Andy Hardy's dad did this
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 04:35 PM
Jan 2017

Andy Hardy's dad, Judge Hardy, in the 1940s series of movies starring Mickey Rooney, used to call his wife "Mother" in the movies. That's the most "modern" version I've heard it. Pence must really be backward.

Mike Nelson

(9,969 posts)
51. This is...
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 09:10 AM
Jan 2017

...normal in homes. I wonder about its use in a professional setting, though - his attempt as being human? I can see it used as part of sex, too, and highly inappropriate if that's his trip. I don't mind playful politically incorrect sex terms, but not in public.



ProfessorGAC

(65,213 posts)
53. Color Me Disinterested
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 10:02 AM
Jan 2017

Ok, doing it in public when there are no children involved is odd. But, i've heard people doing this my whole life. This is nothing unusual and if i'm going to hate on Pence (and i will) it's not going to be for something like this.

frogmarch

(12,160 posts)
55. mr. froggy calls me mommy
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 10:11 AM
Jan 2017

when he's talking to our poodle: "Is mommy making your suppy, mr. baby?"

At least Pence didn't call her Goody, the Puritan term for Goodwife.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
57. We do this in our house....but we have very young children. Pence doing it...and saying it twice is
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 10:30 AM
Jan 2017

the weird thing. He doesn't have young kids there...besides himself.

BainsBane

(53,072 posts)
60. I know people who do similar things
Tue Jan 24, 2017, 10:35 AM
Jan 2017

with their spouses. It's creepy to me but whatever. It's their choice.

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