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erpowers

(9,350 posts)
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 04:52 PM Jan 2017

Real Reason Donald Trump Opposed TPP

Is it possible that Donald Trump opposed TPP and pulled the United States out of the free trade agreement because he and his son-in-law want to do business in China and TPP would have hurt China? TPP was meant to counter the rise of China and China was going to be left out of TPP. Did Trump and his son-in-law think it would be easier to do business in China if they could tell the leaders of China that they killed TPP?

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Generator

(7,770 posts)
3. The peegate dossier said just that
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 04:56 PM
Jan 2017

I quoted it when that came out. Russia stuff is actually partly a distraction from his China dirty dealings.

Leghorn21

(13,527 posts)
10. Yes, I noted/posted that bit as well - it was so bizarre that he bashed China
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 05:05 PM
Jan 2017

all during his campaign, when we know he does tons of bidness there - the dossier explanation made perfect sense to me -

As usual, "we shall see" -

Johonny

(20,895 posts)
4. I think we can assume he has no idea what TPP was intended to do
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 04:57 PM
Jan 2017

He just knows FOX news hated it, and so does his lobbyist friends.

My natural assumption until proven otherwise is Trump doesn't really know any of the inner workings of any policy he rants about, advocates, loves, hates, and will sign into law/repeal.

unblock

(52,351 posts)
5. there's something to that, though i don't think that was actually first on his mind.
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 04:57 PM
Jan 2017

i think he was just reading the crowd; it was something obama was doing on which he could focus the resentment of the white working class that forms the core of his base. plus, it ties into the xenophobia.

i do think he'll be able to make money with a china-led agreement, though he'd probably be able to make money on any reasonable trade deal. in truth, the worst thing for his personal finances would be a trade war.

joshcryer

(62,277 posts)
9. This is indeed probably part of it.
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 05:00 PM
Jan 2017

As his understanding of geopolitics is non-existent.

It also will take a huge wind out of all the marching done against him. Indeed, he can play it off as listening to the people who marched, which is likely what will happen.

joshcryer

(62,277 posts)
7. TPP effectively ended China's Most Valued Trade Partner status.
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 04:59 PM
Jan 2017

He wants to keep Chinese goods flowing.

Either way it's not good for American workers.

Those jobs are not coming back.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
8. Maybe, but Trump was playing the populist and TPP was opposed by our populist Sanders.
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 04:59 PM
Jan 2017

Clinton had to at least claim she was against it too to keep from being blamed for not caring about white working class folks in Ohio, etc.

Sad fact is, by our reneging on TPP it's going to be hard to find other countries who will trust us on something like this. That will make some happy here who believe long-term we will be better off essentially trading among ourselves by making life difficult for foreign countries like we did back in the 50s and 60s. I think we will pay dearly for Trump's action and what Democrats would have forced Clinton to do (renege as well), had she won. Obama had his eye on the future and got bashed for it.

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
11. I Think You Are Right
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 05:36 PM
Jan 2017

The more I learn about TPP I think Hillary Clinton was right when she said it was the "gold standard" of free trade deals. It was going to allow good from the United States to be sold in foreign countries while at the same time moving closer to American standards on wages and labor rights. It seemed like America was going to come out the big winner in that trade deal. Now, it seems China can create a regional deal without the United States and without the higher wage and labor standards.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
12. He's getting a discount on his private label shirts and ties in exchange.
Mon Jan 23, 2017, 06:07 PM
Jan 2017

Put America First - but pay no attention to where my products are manufactured.

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