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The Mail on Sunday can today reveal devastating new claims of abuse by British soldiers carried out at a secret network of illegal prisons in the Iraqi desert.
One innocent civilian victim is said to have died after being assaulted aboard an RAF helicopter, while others were hooded, stripped and beaten at a camp set up at a remote phosphate mine deep in the desert.
The whereabouts of a separate group of 64 Iraqi men who were spirited away on two RAF Chinooks to a black site prison, located at an oil pipeline pumping station, remain unknown.
Perhaps the most shocking aspect of these alleged abuses, which appear to have been flagrant breaches of international law, is that this secret network is claimed to have been sanctioned by senior Ministry of Defence lawyers.
Yet the top British Army lawyer on the ground in Iraq who was supposed to be responsible for all aspects of prisoner detention remained completely unaware of it.
Meanwhile, the Government last week introduced its new secrecy law in Parliament, which, if enacted, would mean details of the emerging scandal would be hidden for ever.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2163799/UK-soldiers-beat-innocent-Iraqi-men-black-ops-jails-new-secret-justice-law-means-torture-hidden-forever.html#ixzz1ylvFGUMv
clang1
(884 posts)So are they saying there are 64 bodies out there? Good lord. I wonder how many of these were taxi drivers, or clerks, or teachers, or in the wrong place at the wrong time, or sold, etc.
teddy51
(3,491 posts)others that find this acceptable in warfare. It's amazing how quickly Nazis, Japanese, and others were quickly convicted of war crimes following the second world war for these types of crimes.
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I was thinking the same thing. Thing is, is soon coming to Main Street, or High Street near you at this rate...
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Just saw a film of a senior US officer telling Marines that if there were any risk at all in taking Japanese prisoners, do not take prisoners.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)aberations and need to be stopped, confined and kept away from normal society. We have zero moral authority to criticize any other nation until these egregious crimes are brought out into the open and prosecuted, and that includes the Bush gang who are flitting around this country profiting from their war crimes, while the population turns a blind eye.
Nothing new though about the Brits and torture, so no surprise there. Nor us apparently. Sick, sick people and we have done nothing to stop it.
It makes me sick when I hear anyone from the NATO countries talking about 'democracy' and 'human rights'. Just stop it, no one is buying it anymore.
Those poor people. In some ways they are better off dead. Survivors of torture don't live very peaceful lives, I doubt they ever completely recover from it.
clang1
(884 posts)coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)to get its frist installment payment (Kissinger is still a free and wealthy man?).
We only managed to kill 2-3 million southeast Asians from 1954-75.
A terrible, fiery vengeance awaits Hyporcrites R Us and I can only hope that my anti-war and anti-imperialist activism has somehow inoculated me from what awaits. But somehow I don't think it has.
Or that I die before that karmic debt comes due. But somehow I don't think I will.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)malaise
(269,054 posts)That torture included water boarding. Some people are better at telling others to obey international law than at practicing what they preach
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)the 'concentration camp' back during the Boer Wars. You know, back when the sun 'never set on the British Empire.'
We saved their asses from Hitler for what exactly?
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Let's not forget the forcible resettlement of Native Americans ("The Trail of Tears), Indian reservations, massacres like Sand Creek and Wounded Knee, internment camps for Japanese-Americans, and Sherman's march to the sea in the Civil War (the field orders for which constituted an application of the principle of collective punishment that would today be viewed as a war crime).
It's not as though the USA has a gloriously stainless history here.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)the reservation system may pre-figure the Brits' contribution to genocide and ethnic cleansing.
I love Wiki Wars and it appears the Brits in South Africa may have beaten the Americans in the Phlilippines by about 6 months to a year:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boer_Wars (See the entry about the 2nd Boer War in particular).
I had forgotten though, about the depredations Hyprocrites R Us (the USA) visited upon the Moros and thank you for refreshing my memory in that regard. I guess when it comes to making the world safe for democracy, if a few (brown-skinned) folk get in the way, why that's just the eggs you have to break to make your omelet
malaise
(269,054 posts)I love when they use words like terrorists. Some of us just laugh.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)Jewish resistance to British colonial rule inside Palestine 'terrorists.' That means the Brits called Menachem Begin and Ariel Sharon 'terrorists'. There are certain indigenous folk there in Palestine who might agree, except that Israel calls them the 'T' word
Speaking of which, Americans mobilized the 'T' word against Vietnamese resistance to the American puppet regime, ca. 1956-1965.
And, of course, bringing it full circle and back to South Africa, who could forget Ronald Reagan calling the African National Congress (and Nelson Mandela) 'terrorists'??
malaise
(269,054 posts)that covers any ideological agenda.
The truth is that since the end of the 1980s we've given the wingers way too much space to define everything.
The fight back is coming