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TalkingDog

(9,001 posts) Mon Jun 25, 2012, 09:03 AM Jun 2012

For-Profit Prison denies healthcare based on "protocols", prisoner dies.

http://www.startribune.com/local/160197995.html

An inmate with a history of seizures was denied emergency care by a prison nurse who overrode a doctor's orders for an ambulance, and within an hour the man suffered irreversible brain damage that led to his death, according to documents obtained by the Star Tribune.

Although prisoner Xavius Scullark-Johnson had suffered multiple seizures over a period of hours, a nurse at the state prison in Rush City cited "protocols" in turning away an ambulance team sent to take him to a nearby hospital, crew reports show.

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Don't people know that the "protocol" is that costs must be kept down?
How do people expect a for-profit prison to PROFIT, if they are forced to spend money on low-life prisoners?
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For-Profit Prison denies healthcare based on "protocols", prisoner dies. (Original Post) TalkingDog Jun 2012 OP
Du rec. Nt xchrom Jun 2012 #1
American Slavery, v. 2.0 (wherein the slaves are no longer coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #2
Your expression of this truth makes me so incredibly sad, then motivated. duhneece Jun 2012 #8
100% correct malaise Jun 2012 #9
The system is reducing sulphurdunn Jun 2012 #29
+1 freshwest Jun 2012 #41
perfectly stated. bbgrunt Jun 2012 #21
now we find the truth...crime REALLY pays spanone Jun 2012 #3
Corporate "death panel"...chooses who lives & who dies.... Historic NY Jun 2012 #4
I hope his family sues. And the nurse Ilsa Jun 2012 #5
Yes, they should. Nurse says it's the people who write the protocols. Festivito Jun 2012 #30
I'm just following orders. Why does that sound familiar? TalkingDog Jun 2012 #32
Humorous. One could make one further stepdown to Milgram. Festivito Jun 2012 #33
The dude was scheduled to be released in three months, too. n/t Ian David Jun 2012 #6
Protocols designed to pay people's mortgages, not to care for chattel. nt patrice Jun 2012 #7
Why should private for-profit prison healthcare be different kenny blankenship Jun 2012 #10
Yep. raouldukelives Jun 2012 #18
+1 HiPointDem Jun 2012 #34
+1 bbgrunt Jun 2012 #26
This is what happens when people are no longer humans BUT product for the Corporate machine to diabeticman Jun 2012 #11
Negligent Homicide for the nurse and conspiracy for the owners /nt dickthegrouch Jun 2012 #12
And sadly this could also happen in your local ER TBF Jun 2012 #13
Is Dilantin expensive? No generic? liberalla Jun 2012 #14
Whoever concocted the idea of a for-profit prison belongs in one. FiveGoodMen Jun 2012 #15
For-profit prisons have always been a bad idea! Auntie Bush Jun 2012 #46
since the supreme court has declared corporations are people rdking647 Jun 2012 #16
Best idea yet! libodem Jun 2012 #22
Dead inmates can't work lapislzi Jun 2012 #17
yes libodem Jun 2012 #23
Condolences to the family of Mr. Scullark-Johnson - Smilo Jun 2012 #19
New improved Prisons...now with more crunch and great new look... Evasporque Jun 2012 #20
Wonder what % of the $3,000; greiner3 Jun 2012 #24
The prison will likely be held liable... cynatnite Jun 2012 #25
Anytime you put the term Meiko Jun 2012 #27
[b]"Sick prisoners look for Corizon on their horizon.;[/b] greiner3 Jun 2012 #28
More of the rot n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #31
Lawsuit. Sue sue sue sue sue. Zoeisright Jun 2012 #35
Sue. Sue. Sue. DeSwiss Jun 2012 #36
So, what do you think the family should do? nt raccoon Jun 2012 #42
See above. DeSwiss Jun 2012 #45
For profit prisons; are a fu!$ked up institution; with no redeeming value and it should be illegal Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #37
Repeated seizures is reason to call 911 nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #38
If he'd had a decent defense attorney, would he have been hedgehog Jun 2012 #39
I hope he has relatives who can sue this prison into bankruptcy. diane in sf Jun 2012 #40
This country's going to hell in a handcart. n/t DLevine Jun 2012 #43
The Privatization of Prisons Peaceful Protester Jun 2012 #44
 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
29. The system is reducing
Reply to malaise (Reply #9)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:13 PM
Jun 2012

public cost while generating private profit, exactly what it is intended to do. Spending thousand dollars on drugs and hospital care for a prisoner scheduled to be released in three months isn't cost effective. Any fines or judgments imposed by the DOJ are just part of the cost of doing business, no different than bribing politicians. If, by some miracle, a civil judgement of sufficient award was granted, the company would just declare bankruptcy, disappear for awhile and reemerge later under a different name, get another contract (maybe with the same state) and be back in business, generating private profits, with public money at the expense of public morality.

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bbgrunt

(5,281 posts)
21. perfectly stated.
Reply to coalition_unwilling (Reply #2)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:57 AM
Jun 2012

edited to add:

it is ironic that we need to turn people into owned commodities to garner a measure of humane treatment

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Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
5. I hope his family sues. And the nurse
Reply to TalkingDog (Original post)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 09:13 AM
Jun 2012

should have her license revoked. The DA should consider bringing her up on charges. Stories of her incarceration in a for-profit prison will send a clear message to medical professionals about whom their first duty is to. And it ain't the fucking employer.

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Festivito

(13,452 posts)
30. Yes, they should. Nurse says it's the people who write the protocols.
Reply to Ilsa (Reply #5)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:49 PM
Jun 2012

What will the people who write protocols say.

And, are the protocols written in a way so as to extort a decision from a nurse.

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Festivito

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33. Humorous. One could make one further stepdown to Milgram.
Reply to TalkingDog (Reply #32)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 02:16 PM
Jun 2012

But, it is hard to find that universally acceptable indication of evil without resorting to the absolutism of the word evil itself.

Wish us all luck.

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kenny blankenship

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10. Why should private for-profit prison healthcare be different
Reply to TalkingDog (Original post)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 10:45 AM
Jun 2012

from private for-profit non-prison healthcare?

Insurance companies have "protocols" developed to maximize their profits. People DIE because of it, every fucking day. And every year those protocols are going to get a little more lethal because every year profits MUST go up. Is it worse for prisoners? No doubt- but they're just on the (b)leading edge of the protocols the insurance cartel have also planned for YOU. The insurance corporations know that, even if lots of people here are still in denial. Hell, a majority of the inmates around here still applaud the idea of MAKING US ALL PRISONERS of the health insurance Mafia, from cradle to early grave.

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raouldukelives

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18. Yep.
Reply to kenny blankenship (Reply #10)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:31 AM
Jun 2012

On the plus side all the investors & 401k's get to make a little extra money every time someone is denied life saving procedures. So at least they can celebrate.

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diabeticman

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11. This is what happens when people are no longer humans BUT product for the Corporate machine to
Reply to TalkingDog (Original post)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 10:45 AM
Jun 2012

use abuse and feed on.

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liberalla

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14. Is Dilantin expensive? No generic?
Reply to TalkingDog (Original post)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:17 AM
Jun 2012

Recent change in medication - cutting his dose in half.

I bet it was done to save money. Another cost cutting decision... Dollars first, Humans last.

And WTF with that nurse??!! Does she get a bonus or something for reducing costs?

Bastards.

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Auntie Bush

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46. For-profit prisons have always been a bad idea!
Reply to FiveGoodMen (Reply #15)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 10:28 PM
Jun 2012

I don't know how they ever came into existence in the first place. I heard some lobby group is responsible but I can't remember which one but it sounded par for the course of some greedy, money hungry, evil group. I hope they get outlawed as illegal and inhumane. The sad thing is...state and federal prisons also need a lot of improvements and aren't much better. Our whole prison system needs an overhaul!

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rdking647

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16. since the supreme court has declared corporations are people
Reply to TalkingDog (Original post)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:22 AM
Jun 2012

arrest the corporation for murder and execute it. take its body (assets) into custody of the state.

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lapislzi

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17. Dead inmates can't work
Reply to TalkingDog (Original post)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:25 AM
Jun 2012

Seems like a shortsighted policy to me, unless they did the math and decided that it cost too much to keep him and they wouldn't be able to recoup on their "investment."

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Smilo

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19. Condolences to the family of Mr. Scullark-Johnson -
Reply to TalkingDog (Original post)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:34 AM
Jun 2012

what a sad, meaningless, awful way to die.

America should be extremely worried about these for-profit prisons - they pay less and provide less benefits and hire just about anyone. They are not concerned with who they are holding or why - in their dictionary "humane" does not exist - all they care about is cramming as many people into a room as possible and taking money hand over fist from the state/city coffers.

Here are some interesting - warning depressing - links:

http://www.nola.com/prisons/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/26/opinion/blow-plantations-prisons-and-profits.html?_r=3

&feature=youtu.be

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-donnelly/private-prisons_b_1097667.html

http://www.bestoftheinternets.com/political/video/Scary-Private-Prison-Presentation-For-Investors.html
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Evasporque

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20. New improved Prisons...now with more crunch and great new look...
Reply to TalkingDog (Original post)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:34 AM
Jun 2012

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greiner3

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24. Wonder what % of the $3,000;
Reply to TalkingDog (Original post)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:04 PM
Jun 2012

of the first ambulance Garin sent away she got as a bonus?

"In fact, Garin wrote that Johnson was "alert, his vital signs were stable and he responded appropriately" -- the opposite of what the crew observed."

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cynatnite

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25. The prison will likely be held liable...
Reply to TalkingDog (Original post)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:05 PM
Jun 2012

and they will want it settled as quickly as possible.

The nurse on the other hand could very well face criminal charges. At the very least she will lose her job and her license.

Heads will most definitely roll on this thing.

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Meiko

(1,076 posts)
27. Anytime you put the term
Reply to TalkingDog (Original post)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:07 PM
Jun 2012

"for profit" next to something there is going to be trouble. Since when does a jail house nurse have the authority to override a doctors orders? She needs her nursing license revoked and to be prosecuted for wrongful death. Where was the doctor? He didn't follow up? I would be asking him some questions as well. The lawyers are gathering for the lawsuit as we type this. I wonder what the real figure is for people in prison not getting proper medical care, I'll bet it's horrendous.

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greiner3

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28. [b]"Sick prisoners look for Corizon on their horizon.;[/b]
Reply to TalkingDog (Original post)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:12 PM
Jun 2012

The company formed in 2011 through the $250 million merger of the publicly traded America Service Group, the parent of PHS Correctional Healthcare (PHS), and Valitás Health Services, the parent of Correctional Medical Services (CMS). Now the country's top prison health care contractor, Corizon, through PHS and CMS, provides medical care and pharmacy services to more than 400 state prisons, municipal jails, and other correctional facilities in 31 states. The combination leverages PHS's contracts with almost 60 prisons and jails with CMS's history offering dental, mental health, and optometry services, as well as substance abuse treatment through Genesis Behavioral Services."

As a private concern Corizon does not have to divulge 98% as much of their business ops as whichever formerly traded company this happened under. "Durn pesky SEC rules and regs, we'll just go private and to hell with letting ANYBODY see what we're up to."

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Zoeisright

(8,339 posts)
35. Lawsuit. Sue sue sue sue sue.
Reply to TalkingDog (Original post)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 03:34 PM
Jun 2012

That is the ONLY way many people can get any type of justice in this godforsaken country.

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DeSwiss

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36. Sue. Sue. Sue.
Reply to TalkingDog (Original post)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 05:11 PM
Jun 2012

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- It won't bring him back but these assholes need to be SUED until they SCREAM!!!!!!!!

K&R

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Uncle Joe

(58,366 posts)
37. For profit prisons; are a fu!$ked up institution; with no redeeming value and it should be illegal
Reply to TalkingDog (Original post)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 05:30 PM
Jun 2012

to operate them in the U.S.

Incarceration should be solely in the domain of the state and there should be no profit motive for imprisoning the American People.

Thanks for the thread, TalkingDog.

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nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
38. Repeated seizures is reason to call 911
Reply to TalkingDog (Original post)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 05:32 PM
Jun 2012

and for medics to be rather worried in the field.

Nurse should have licence revoked at the very least.

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hedgehog

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39. If he'd had a decent defense attorney, would he have been
Reply to TalkingDog (Original post)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 05:41 PM
Jun 2012

in a prison or in a mental hospital to begin with ?

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Peaceful Protester

(280 posts)
44. The Privatization of Prisons
Reply to TalkingDog (Original post)
Tue Jun 26, 2012, 11:57 AM
Jun 2012

"People first, then money, then things." -- Suze Orman

Yet, another example of the Republican political agenda of deregulation and privatization which is designed around: money first (profit), then things (corporations), then people. The social contract is being eroded by the Republican political agenda and ideology.

For centuries, missionaries sought to spread the Gospel far and wide. They believed the Bible could teach us how to become better people. If evangelicals are correct, about the ability of the Gospel to transform us into new beings, then the answer to the recidivism rate would be found here and not in for profit prisons.

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