See that the 3 stooges did their usual as well.

It is unusual for him to vote with the "liberal" bloc and against the other rightists. It would become very interesting if that happened more than once in a blue moon.

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This provision which was not struck down by the court bothers me.

"The majority concluded the federal government had the power to block SB1070, though the court upheld one of the most controversial parts of the bill -- a provision that lets police check a person's immigration status while enforcing other laws if "reasonable suspicion" exists that the person is in the United States illegally."

The problem with reasonable suspicion is that it can be interpreted broadly. As a black male that has been abruptly encountered by both Arabic and Spanish-speaking people thinking that (by some force of my physical features) there is potential that I could be a native of a Latin American/Middle Eastern country, I could be randomly subject to "reasonable suspicion" of being in the United States illegally, notwithstanding the other stop and frisk/driving or existing while black crap that I normally have to endure.

So, this is a bitter pill to swallow. I'm glad the court did strike down the other provisions, but upholding this crap is as fascist as they come. Any DU'er that supports this portion of the provision not being struck down really doesn't understand how the court did not go far enough.

with the Supreme Court saying wait until it is in effect to see if it is racial profiling, etc. There are also appeals with regard to this that the Supreme Court has yet to rule.

It is a very narrow aspect wrt the Supreme Court ruling on this provision.

If you get pulled over, and this is the most common type of interaction, you will be asked for some paperwork. DL, registration, proof if insurance. As a white man I am required to produce the same identification. If you have all the required paperwork there shouldn't be a problem for you or me, unless you lie to the cop or something. What would be your definition of reasonable suspicion if you were a police officer.

If someone is pulled over and cannot provide any of the requested documents and does not speak English what is the cop suppose to think at this point? Doesn't this situation require closer examination? Is this profiling, yes it is in a way. Police operate with the concept of profiling all the time, this is nothing new. The officer is going to profile this person based on the criteria and what he knows. No DL, no registration and cannot speak English seems pretty clear cut to me.

Some people think that the cops are going to roll un contained through the streets profiling every Hispanic they encounter. I don't believe this is going to happen. If you can't provide the paperwork required to operate a car then a flag is going to go up, it would go up anyway even if you were white. The cops need some tools to get certain people off the street. I for one don't want to be sharing the road with drivers that have no DL or insurance. It shows they don't care about themselves or anyone else and if there is an accident guess who foots the bill.

want to be treated any different that you are, just because I am brown. I will show you my registration, and proof of insurance just like you will, but I don't like a law that says that my brown skin can be justification for police to question me any further than they would you, a white person. There is a potential for abuse in this law and that is what scares me.

Sheriff Joe goes on "crime sweeps" in heavily Latino parts of town and arrests Latinos for minor infractions to check immigration status. He has a surprisingly low ratio of success at finding actual criminals, but had SB1070 been upheld, he would be able to arrest and charge people under suspicion of being illegal.

is a sick man.

the UK or Canada? I guess if the suspect has an accent?

Cars are one thing but that isn't the only type of interactions and curious how you reasonably suspect someone isn't the country legally unless you saw them hop a border fence.

Racial profiling is already common in this state, this will just make it less of a problem.

All it takes is a few, though, to compromise the liberties of a great many Americans.

I'm an opponent of unrestricted illegal immigration, but the place to enfore immigration law is at the border and, most importantly, in the workplace. I've known some great cops over the years, but there have been enough bad ones doing exactly this sort of thing that we should not give them this power.

what type of documentation do I need to carry with me in case I am questioned because of my brown skin. I am a citizen of the US just like you.

JUSTICES UPHOLD KEY PART OF ARIZONA LAW

www.nytimes.com

Especially since both Kennedy and Roberts voted with the liberal justices and both their votes were needed to strike down most of the law.

Let's hope these two justices do the same thing on Thursday with health care reform. Praying Hard they will...

It mobilizes the base while not alienating Hispanic folks too much. If the GOP has any hope of not dwindling down to a regional party of old rich people, they have to count on Hispanic support, much of which will come from the children of immigrants.

At the same time, it gives them a chance to say "See, we agreed with the Obama administration, even at the expense of "states' rights," so they can go ahead and announce their decision on the PPACA later in the week.

AND more important no matter how the media spins it, it is NOT a victory for the RWingers.

AND THAT MAKES ME HAPPY. and on a Monday no less.

Of course that other case is the one I'm really worried about also.