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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSean Spicer makes it official: No voter fraud in Philadelphia, Milwaukee or Detroit
Source: Washington Post
By David Weigel January 25 at 3:35 PM
For as long as Democrats were winning the Rust Belt in presidential elections, Republicans have been on the hunt for voter fraud in big cities. In 2012, when Pennsylvania Republicans passed a voter ID law, they explicitly said it would allow Mitt Romney to win the state by ending fraud in Philadelphia. When Wisconsin Republicans worried that they might lose a close Supreme Court race, they discussed messaging 'widespread reports of election fraud' so we are positively set up for the recount. When commentators defended President Trump's pre-election fear of fraud, the biggest Rust Belt cities made easy targets.
In 2012, there were "59 separate precincts in inner-city Philadelphia that Mitt Romney did not get a single vote, not one, Sean Hannity said last August. And according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, there were nine precincts in Cleveland alone, again, not a single Romney vote not one. Now, maybe I'm conspiratorial. Maybe this is a stretch. But 70 districts in two cities?
Good news, Midwest: According to the White House, there actually is no voter fraud in the Midwest or at least, not a significant amount specifically in the states where Trump competed and won. White House press secretary Sean Spicer said so during an exchange with Fox News reporter John Roberts, who brought up the fact that Trump's legal team had beaten back recount lawsuits in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin by saying there had been no fraud.
Attorneys who were representing the president-elect during the recounts in several states emphatically stated, quote, 'All available evidence suggests the 2016 election was not tainted by fraud or mistake,' " Roberts said. So how do you square those two things?
Spicer said: I think there's a lot of states that we didn't compete in where that's not necessarily the case. You look at California and New York, I'm not sure that those statements were we didn't look at those two states, in particular. ...
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etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)in the world of Alternate facts voter fraud did not occur in the states tRump won and happened by the millions in states he lost.
Dear god the abject stupidity of this man is embarrassing
rzemanfl
(29,569 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Mc Mike
(9,115 posts)that I completely forgot about how hard they fought against any examination of ballots in PA, WI, and MI.
And I actually worked to get a PA recount. Sounds crazy, but it's true.
groundloop
(11,523 posts)tRump is certainly putting up one hell of a smokescreen surrounding Russian interference and vote counting irregularities.
Mc Mike
(9,115 posts)It amazed me that they were able to fight like devils against any effort to investigate the ballots in the 3 states, with a slew of court cases and a media blitz. Then when their orange shitler and his team started to scream about voter fraud, I didn't make the connection.
I pushed for the recount here, donated, volunteered, filed the petition, wrote and called my Dem state AG. And I'm no neophyte politically, and have a decent memory and intelligence level. But I went right along with the repugs' framing on this one, didn't give it a second thought. They 3 card monty-ed the shit out of me on this one, until I saw this o.p.
Until I saw Spokesnazi Spicer's statement that there was massive fraud, EXCEPT in the states where it's obvious fraud occurred in favor of his side, I was focused on how they're lying about fraud that 'hurt' poor dRumpfenfuhrer. Their newer massive lie, projecting their crime onto their 'enemies', covered up for their older massive lie, that they didn't commit election fraud.
They're not geniuses, they have zillions of dollars, inordinately huge access to media to retail their version of the 'truth', and a penchant for openly, transparently lying without batting an eye. But they suckered me.
Loge23
(3,922 posts)That's the margin of "victory" in WI, MI, and PA for der fuhrer.
...and he's claiming voter fraud?
In his delusional mind, he thinks everyone voted for him.
VOX
(22,976 posts)You'd still need another 14-15 thousand heads to reach capacity.
So NOT a mandate.
IronLionZion
(45,534 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)But what's one more when there's already more than you can count?
haele
(12,679 posts)It's only those nasty Blue states that had voter fraud - by allowing too many liberals and PoC to vote.
There's now a quota, you know. Only enough liberals and PoC are allowed to have their votes counted just to ensure there's no question of voter fraud when the King wins.
Oh - if it wasn't clear.
Haele
Peacetrain
(22,878 posts)The places we are going to investigate non stop are places where voter suppression impacted the outcome of the election... You turkeys jumped on..now we are going for the ride..
kimbutgar
(21,195 posts)Favor Hillary. Rancid is trying to shhhh them on this. He knows they manipulated the election with the rethug sos' in those states.
They_Live
(3,240 posts)Voter fraud and election fraud are two different things.
Bozvotros
(785 posts)They have been talking about all the ways voter fraud could happen but in fact that is dwarfed by all the ways election fraud can (and does) happen. i think someone told them to put this subject to bed before they hand the media an opportunity to hammer them on why they refuse to look at election fraud.. They don't want that. But I am pretty sure Trump won't be able to keep his fat mouth closed or both feet out of it. Every chance they get the press should thank him for bringing up such an important subject and hammer on him about how easy it would be to hack voting machines and central tabulators and that this could enable an unqualified demagogue, a goddamned fool even, into our democratic system.
erinlough
(2,176 posts)Consider this, in Detroit 80 machines did not register any votes and 57% of the precincts registered too many votes,
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/
And the idiot won by only 10,000 votes
catrose
(5,073 posts)I sure wish the recount could have continued, especially with rot like you uncovered. It was paid for. And the judge's reasoning--that the outcome won't affect Jill Stein--is awful. Jill Stein is a US citizen, and the outcome affects her like it does the rest of us unhappy citizens.
Bettie
(16,126 posts)or any of the others. If there was it was at the usual, very minimal level. One or two cases, never enough to swing an election.
Now, the next question is was there ELECTION fraud? I'm guessing yes, there was, on a massive scale.
Finally: was there voter SUPPRESSION? You bet there was. Between Cross Check and voter ID laws, plenty of eligible voters were turned away.
OH, wait, they don't want to know about those other things, do they?
Hestia
(3,818 posts)Cambridge Analytica, however, divided the US population into 32 personality types, and focused on just 17 states. And just as Kosinski had established that men who like MAC cosmetics are slightly more likely to be gay, the company discovered that a preference for cars made in the US was a great indication of a potential Drumpf voter. Among other things, these findings now showed Drumpf which messages worked best and where. The decision to focus on Michigan and Wisconsin in the final weeks of the campaign was made on the basis of data analysis. The candidate became the instrument for implementing a big data model.
DK504
(3,847 posts)that the "voter fraud" crap came from some ex Mississippi DHS employee. He started tweeing this shit out right after the election. Ya' know when BLOTUS lost by 9 million votes.