destroy.

Even if tRump gets booted out, look what we have to replace him? And suppose we get rid of tRump AND Pence? Things don't look any better. I guess getting rid of tRump reduces our chances of dying in a nuclear inferno or having all of our resources wiped out if the economy crashes. But any of the people in the line of succession are not much better. They are more stable and sane but they will continue doing things that we all will feel the impact.

because they want to survive as a political party into the future.

Russian influence from within. We have enough ethnic tension right now. Trump makes it easier for the racists, and that division in the US creates more instability.

We have to embrace the crazy, because the alternative is so much worse.

This is America, at one of its lowest points ever. And we've had some real low points, too.


Cher

will show the trumpsters how horrible their decision making skills are? At least maybe some of them would turn? I think the more quickly it happens the better the results.

he's just the hand holding the pen. He's not making any policy decisions. He's the sideshow freak.

Impeachment would damage whoever got the seat next.

Which I don't actually remember, being not yet born, but I read and because I wasn't there, I've got some emotional distance.

Liberals despised Nixon and Agnew. They were both rotten. And their speaker of the House was Gerald Ford, who nobody thought was much use for anything.

Agnew got the boot first, for corruption. Not that it helped, because fuck, Nixon was still there and Ford was pretty damn useless.

Then Nixon booted, and Ford is in the seat, with Nelson Rockefeller. And they were both tainted. While Democrats only kept the Executive for one term (and Jimmy Carter got robbed), we kept the House and Senate for most of two decades, and that mostly Dem Congress in the 80s was aggressive.

I think there's a lot of hope to be found in the history. Andrew Johnson's impeachment was also a result of an unequipped seat warmer with a taste for limelight trying to usurp the power of Congress. History says this never ends well for the executive who tries it.

They hold all the power, we have none in congress at the moment. They'd have to be the ones supporting ousting their own parties seated president. It would divide and destroy the GOP and all but assure we'd take back the house in 2018.

Which is why they won't do I. They want to find a way to reign Trump in somehow to being a useful puppet.

That's more than likely a part of what the balanced budget amendment they introduced today was about. Oops, so sorry, Trump! We can't pay for your infrastructure bill because there's not enough money! Well, and it's one of their pet and bad ideas, which we all know the GOP love them some bad ideas, but in this case they had plenty of time to wait and rushed this in. Which leads me to believe it was motivated in part by Trump.