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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTiffany Trump on voter rolls in 2 states, despite claims otherwise by Kellyanne Conway
http://www.today.com/news/kellyanne-conway-donald-trump-s-daughter-tiffany-isn-t-registered-t107422"I talked last night to Tiffany Trump, and she said it is flatly false that she is registered in two states," Conway said Thursday.
Trump's youngest daughter, Tiffany, is currently registered in both New York City and Philadelphia, according to state election records in New York and Pennsylvania. Trump was a student at the University of Pennsylvania until her graduation last May.
Conway said she remembers Tiffany describing trying to register earlier in the year in New York so she could vote for her father in the primary.
She had been registered in Pennsylvania and went through the process, said it was very byzantine, and took a long time, but she said she is not registered in two states, she said.
A Philadelphia County elections official confirmed to NBC News on Thursday that Tiffany continues to be listed as active in the voter rolls there. In addition, public records in New York City, where she now lives, also list her as registered to vote there.
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Team Trump just can't stop lying, no matter how easy it is to disprove their lies.
gademocrat7
(10,670 posts)cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)"very byzantine, and took a long time"? WTF? You can register to vote anywhere you live. You don't have to somehow "cancel" your earlier registration in another location. That's the whole reason people do end up with registration in more than one place--they move.
This embroidering of what was already a lie into a bigger lie smacks my gob.
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)About the easiest thing ever. Cancelling it is less easy.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)You register in a new state and you also send the form to your old state and ask to be removed.
Most people when they move don't send a form to an old state.
But unless you vote in both states it is not illegal and not voter fraud.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)I had a commitment for at least several years, I registered to vote in 2012. When I registered, the registrars office told me that a copy of my voter registration form would be sent to my former state registrars office. I didn't have to do anything. It was also stated on my registration form. I hadn't thought about this before she mentioned it, and I didn't follow up on it ever even after I left and returned to California years later. I assumed that they did what they said that they were going to do, and when I returned to CA I registered to vote in California. If they didn't send the form than that is on them. Personally, I think that is a good way to handle it. The new state (gaining state) should have all the information that they need to inform the 'losing' state.
Ms. Toad
(34,092 posts)Fill this form out.
http://www.votespa.com/en-us/Documents/CANCELVOTERREGISTRATION.pdf
Mail it in.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Cancelling it is less easy..."
Yet still easier than voting; but I get that we all of us have a narrative, and that rationalizing hypocrisy is often part and parcel of that.
HoneyBadger
(2,297 posts)to you at least
LisaL
(44,974 posts)Does Kellyanne think we are all idiots?
In order to register to vote, one just needs to fill out a form. The same if one wants to be removed from voter rolls (which a lot of people don't do when they move because it's not clear what one is supposed to do). And it's not illegal to be registered to vote in more than one state as long as you don't vote in more than one state. What byzantine process she is blabbering about?
karynnj
(59,504 posts)From the government site, when you register in any state you give where you are then registered. The new state then sends a form cancelling your registration. I was curious having moved 4 years ago. I went to the NJ site yesterday to check voter status and my husband and I were no longer listed. So, both NJ and VT did this correctly.
It is possible that Tiffany did not list that she was registered on whichever was the second state, carelessly making a mistake on a simple form.
However, unless she voted in both places in the same election, it is not voter fraud. I do not care about Miss Trump, but we need to insist on that criteria. Otherwise Trump's study will count PEOPLE on voters rolls, not fraudulent votes cast.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)from voter rolls. Which obviously a lot of people don't know. How exactly would a new state that you are registering in know where you moved from? The form on which you register doesn't ask where you moved from.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)Anytime youve changed your name
Anytime youve moved permanently
You cant be registered to vote in more than one place at a time. When you register to vote in a new location, youll be asked for your previous address. Your new election office will send a cancellation form to your previous election office.
Yesterday when the issue arose, I went to the NJ status site and confirmed that we were gone. We had been told in Burlington that they would issue a cancellation form - and they did.
Ms. Toad
(34,092 posts)Ohio does not, for example. (It only asks about prior Ohio voting registration information). So it may not even have been a careless error at all.
That should then be the first step - maybe with language that not disclosing prior registrations could lead to charges.
I actually googled both the rule and then looked up NJ because I KNEW that we did not notify NJ. (Seriously, I remember the long lists of things we need to do in those last few months and notifying the county was not on that list.) I do remember from phone banking that I hit a lot of discontinued numbers or even numbers where asking for the person on our list led to awkward apologies as the person was deceased. (I don't know if that was because the lists we used were old.)
Still, assuming someone votes only in one place where they live - it is not voter fraud.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I guarantee that a law will be passed that won't allow you to register until your previous registration is off the rolls. I see this affecting democratic voters more due to being more transient.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)karynnj
(59,504 posts)Anytime youve changed your name
Anytime youve moved permanently
You cant be registered to vote in more than one place at a time. When you register to vote in a new location, youll be asked for your previous address. Your new election office will send a cancellation form to your previous election office.
I do not know when that started, but it was more than 4 years ago.
The only addition I can think of is to make the language scary and make it clear that wrong information or incomplete information on where you are registered could have penalties.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Never entered my mind that I needed to "cancel" my voter registration in the state I moved from! I just voted where I lived, ONE TIME, lol. These fuckers are seriously insane!
karynnj
(59,504 posts)I checked NJ where I moved from and the system appears to have worked -- the Burlington VT registration cancelled the Morris County NJ one.
From USA.gov, that is what is supposed to happen -
Anytime youve changed your name
Anytime youve moved permanently
You cant be registered to vote in more than one place at a time. When you register to vote in a new location, youll be asked for your previous address. Your new election office will send a cancellation form to your previous election office.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)It's been 5 years since my last move. Like I said, who thinks about this stuff???
karynnj
(59,504 posts)There are so many things you do when you move - from cancelling land line phones, cancelling newspapers, cancelling gas, electric, and other utilities. All while you are frantically packing or donating yet another closet of stuff you had forgotten long ago and working out the logistics of getting to where you need to go! I KNOW going to the county courthouse - only abut 10 miles a way - was not on our list.
Like you, I am a follower of rules. Out of curiosity, I looked to see if anything about your voter registration was on the list of what to do when you move. It was not on this pretty well designed list - http://www.realsimple.com/home-organizing/organizing/moving/moving-checklist
mainer
(12,029 posts)They register in whatever state they've just moved to.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I, and everybody else I know who has moved, never thought about cancelling our voter registration. Obviously Rump's own daughter didn't either. Why, oh why, didn't he let his own children know what they were supposed to do???
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)like the Republican liars.
Mariana
(14,861 posts)and I DID notify the old county to remove me from the list of registered voters, several times. They did not. For years I knew I was registered in two places. This has to be very common when people move. As long as you only VOTE once, what is the problem?
Bengus81
(6,932 posts)Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Sheesh. Why don't they just own up to the fact that they are violators, and take their consequences like decent human beings?
mainer
(12,029 posts)Tom BonierVerified account
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For those keeping count, I've found that Bannon, Mnuchin, Priebus, Kushner, and Tiffany Trump are all registered to vote in two locations.
Vinca
(50,304 posts)I may be on a list from the town in another state I lived in years ago. I have no idea since I never told them to take me off the list. That doesn't mean there's a Vinca impersonator in that state voting under my name. Trump, the idiot, is talking about lousy record keeping and that's got nothing to do with voter fraud. Someone ought to check and see if any of his dead relatives are still on voting lists. They may very well be.
Bettie
(16,126 posts)cancelling my voter registration in any state after I moved.
So, I am possibly still on the rolls in Wisconsin and Illinois.
Plus Iowa.