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highplainsdem

(49,040 posts)
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 09:24 AM Jan 2017

Tiffany Trump on voter rolls in 2 states, despite claims otherwise by Kellyanne Conway

http://www.today.com/news/kellyanne-conway-donald-trump-s-daughter-tiffany-isn-t-registered-t107422


Just one day after President Donald Trump said he would ask for a "major investigation" into his unsubstantiated allegations of voter fraud, White House counselor Kellyanne Conway pushed back on reports that the president's daughter is registered to vote in two states.

"I talked last night to Tiffany Trump, and she said it is flatly false that she is registered in two states," Conway said Thursday.

Trump's youngest daughter, Tiffany, is currently registered in both New York City and Philadelphia, according to state election records in New York and Pennsylvania. Trump was a student at the University of Pennsylvania until her graduation last May.

Conway said she remembers Tiffany describing trying to register earlier in the year in New York “so she could vote for her father” in the primary.

“She had been registered in Pennsylvania and went through the process, said it was very byzantine, and took a long time, but she said she is not registered in two states,” she said.

A Philadelphia County elections official confirmed to NBC News on Thursday that Tiffany continues to be listed as active in the voter rolls there. In addition, public records in New York City, where she now lives, also list her as registered to vote there.

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Team Trump just can't stop lying, no matter how easy it is to disprove their lies.
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Tiffany Trump on voter rolls in 2 states, despite claims otherwise by Kellyanne Conway (Original Post) highplainsdem Jan 2017 OP
Conjob is highly allergic to the truth. gademocrat7 Jan 2017 #1
The ignorance astounds cyclonefence Jan 2017 #2
What normally happens in NY is you get a driver's license and you check the box to register HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #5
Well, exactly. LisaL Jan 2017 #7
I live in California and took a job transfer in Northern VA with the federal government. Since politicaljunkie41910 Jan 2017 #20
Canceling PA is trivial. Ms. Toad Jan 2017 #16
Yet still easier than voting... LanternWaste Jan 2017 #28
I think that if you read the many posts in this thread, you might learn something new HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #30
Byzantine process that took a long time? LisaL Jan 2017 #3
This us quite likely either NY's or PA's fault karynnj Jan 2017 #4
You have to actually fill out a form to send to a state you moved from and ask to be removed LisaL Jan 2017 #6
Not in our case - 4 years ago, it worked just like it is stated at USA.gov karynnj Jan 2017 #14
Not all states ask for prevous registrations. Ms. Toad Jan 2017 #18
Thanks karynnj Jan 2017 #21
This is going to be a mess yeoman6987 Jan 2017 #8
+1 dalton99a Jan 2017 #9
And if you move in close proximity to the election you might then be not able to vote. LisaL Jan 2017 #10
Excellent point. These nasty repugs have an evil agenda. yeoman6987 Jan 2017 #13
The current system is that the new registrar asks for the old information and THEY cancel it karynnj Jan 2017 #15
surprised she's registered anywhere. What did conjob say about Bannon FL/NY ? nt Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2017 #11
I've lived in 3 different states as an adult. MoonRiver Jan 2017 #12
Could you check your registration status on the past 2 states to see if you are there? karynnj Jan 2017 #17
I will try, and report back. I'm sure I followed all the rules, cause I always do. MoonRiver Jan 2017 #19
I KNOW we didn't - and I checked yesterday only because it was a topic in the news! karynnj Jan 2017 #22
Same here. Many college students probably never bother to cancel prior registrations. mainer Jan 2017 #23
I was long past my college years when I first moved out of state. MoonRiver Jan 2017 #24
But not all of them feel the need to lie about it Achilleaze Jan 2017 #27
I moved to a different county once Mariana Jan 2017 #31
Latest news...Kellyann ConJob pushes back on sun rising in the east theory.....n/t Bengus81 Jan 2017 #25
Why do Republicans lie about everything? Achilleaze Jan 2017 #26
Guess who else is doubly registered? mainer Jan 2017 #29
Millions of people are on more than one voting list. Vinca Jan 2017 #32
You know, I don't recall Bettie Jan 2017 #33
Each state had different rules but will remove you after you've not voted for X years bettyellen Jan 2017 #34

cyclonefence

(4,483 posts)
2. The ignorance astounds
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 09:46 AM
Jan 2017

"very byzantine, and took a long time"? WTF? You can register to vote anywhere you live. You don't have to somehow "cancel" your earlier registration in another location. That's the whole reason people do end up with registration in more than one place--they move.

This embroidering of what was already a lie into a bigger lie smacks my gob.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
5. What normally happens in NY is you get a driver's license and you check the box to register
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 10:14 AM
Jan 2017

About the easiest thing ever. Cancelling it is less easy.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
7. Well, exactly.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 10:17 AM
Jan 2017

You register in a new state and you also send the form to your old state and ask to be removed.
Most people when they move don't send a form to an old state.
But unless you vote in both states it is not illegal and not voter fraud.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
20. I live in California and took a job transfer in Northern VA with the federal government. Since
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 11:39 AM
Jan 2017

I had a commitment for at least several years, I registered to vote in 2012. When I registered, the registrars office told me that a copy of my voter registration form would be sent to my former state registrars office. I didn't have to do anything. It was also stated on my registration form. I hadn't thought about this before she mentioned it, and I didn't follow up on it ever even after I left and returned to California years later. I assumed that they did what they said that they were going to do, and when I returned to CA I registered to vote in California. If they didn't send the form than that is on them. Personally, I think that is a good way to handle it. The new state (gaining state) should have all the information that they need to inform the 'losing' state.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
28. Yet still easier than voting...
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:33 PM
Jan 2017

"Cancelling it is less easy..."

Yet still easier than voting; but I get that we all of us have a narrative, and that rationalizing hypocrisy is often part and parcel of that.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
30. I think that if you read the many posts in this thread, you might learn something new
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:04 PM
Jan 2017

to you at least

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
3. Byzantine process that took a long time?
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 09:51 AM
Jan 2017

Does Kellyanne think we are all idiots?
In order to register to vote, one just needs to fill out a form. The same if one wants to be removed from voter rolls (which a lot of people don't do when they move because it's not clear what one is supposed to do). And it's not illegal to be registered to vote in more than one state as long as you don't vote in more than one state. What byzantine process she is blabbering about?

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
4. This us quite likely either NY's or PA's fault
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 10:11 AM
Jan 2017

From the government site, when you register in any state you give where you are then registered. The new state then sends a form cancelling your registration. I was curious having moved 4 years ago. I went to the NJ site yesterday to check voter status and my husband and I were no longer listed. So, both NJ and VT did this correctly.

It is possible that Tiffany did not list that she was registered on whichever was the second state, carelessly making a mistake on a simple form.

However, unless she voted in both places in the same election, it is not voter fraud. I do not care about Miss Trump, but we need to insist on that criteria. Otherwise Trump's study will count PEOPLE on voters rolls, not fraudulent votes cast.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
6. You have to actually fill out a form to send to a state you moved from and ask to be removed
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 10:14 AM
Jan 2017

from voter rolls. Which obviously a lot of people don't know. How exactly would a new state that you are registering in know where you moved from? The form on which you register doesn't ask where you moved from.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
14. Not in our case - 4 years ago, it worked just like it is stated at USA.gov
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 11:08 AM
Jan 2017
When You Should Re-Register or Update Your Registration Information

Anytime you’ve changed your name
Anytime you’ve moved permanently
You can’t be registered to vote in more than one place at a time. When you register to vote in a new location, you’ll be asked for your previous address. Your new election office will send a cancellation form to your previous election office.
https://www.usa.gov/register-to-vote#item-212825

Yesterday when the issue arose, I went to the NJ status site and confirmed that we were gone. We had been told in Burlington that they would issue a cancellation form - and they did.

Ms. Toad

(34,092 posts)
18. Not all states ask for prevous registrations.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 11:17 AM
Jan 2017

Ohio does not, for example. (It only asks about prior Ohio voting registration information). So it may not even have been a careless error at all.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
21. Thanks
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 11:44 AM
Jan 2017

That should then be the first step - maybe with language that not disclosing prior registrations could lead to charges.

I actually googled both the rule and then looked up NJ because I KNEW that we did not notify NJ. (Seriously, I remember the long lists of things we need to do in those last few months and notifying the county was not on that list.) I do remember from phone banking that I hit a lot of discontinued numbers or even numbers where asking for the person on our list led to awkward apologies as the person was deceased. (I don't know if that was because the lists we used were old.)

Still, assuming someone votes only in one place where they live - it is not voter fraud.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
8. This is going to be a mess
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 10:23 AM
Jan 2017

I guarantee that a law will be passed that won't allow you to register until your previous registration is off the rolls. I see this affecting democratic voters more due to being more transient.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
15. The current system is that the new registrar asks for the old information and THEY cancel it
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 11:11 AM
Jan 2017
When You Should Re-Register or Update Your Registration Information

Anytime you’ve changed your name
Anytime you’ve moved permanently
You can’t be registered to vote in more than one place at a time. When you register to vote in a new location, you’ll be asked for your previous address. Your new election office will send a cancellation form to your previous election office.
https://www.usa.gov/register-to-vote#item-212825

I do not know when that started, but it was more than 4 years ago.

The only addition I can think of is to make the language scary and make it clear that wrong information or incomplete information on where you are registered could have penalties.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
12. I've lived in 3 different states as an adult.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 10:41 AM
Jan 2017

Never entered my mind that I needed to "cancel" my voter registration in the state I moved from! I just voted where I lived, ONE TIME, lol. These fuckers are seriously insane!

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
17. Could you check your registration status on the past 2 states to see if you are there?
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 11:14 AM
Jan 2017

I checked NJ where I moved from and the system appears to have worked -- the Burlington VT registration cancelled the Morris County NJ one.

From USA.gov, that is what is supposed to happen -

When You Should Re-Register or Update Your Registration Information

Anytime you’ve changed your name
Anytime you’ve moved permanently
You can’t be registered to vote in more than one place at a time. When you register to vote in a new location, you’ll be asked for your previous address. Your new election office will send a cancellation form to your previous election office.
https://www.usa.gov/register-to-vote#item-212825

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
19. I will try, and report back. I'm sure I followed all the rules, cause I always do.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 11:37 AM
Jan 2017

It's been 5 years since my last move. Like I said, who thinks about this stuff???

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
22. I KNOW we didn't - and I checked yesterday only because it was a topic in the news!
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 11:54 AM
Jan 2017

There are so many things you do when you move - from cancelling land line phones, cancelling newspapers, cancelling gas, electric, and other utilities. All while you are frantically packing or donating yet another closet of stuff you had forgotten long ago and working out the logistics of getting to where you need to go! I KNOW going to the county courthouse - only abut 10 miles a way - was not on our list.

Like you, I am a follower of rules. Out of curiosity, I looked to see if anything about your voter registration was on the list of what to do when you move. It was not on this pretty well designed list - http://www.realsimple.com/home-organizing/organizing/moving/moving-checklist

mainer

(12,029 posts)
23. Same here. Many college students probably never bother to cancel prior registrations.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:06 PM
Jan 2017

They register in whatever state they've just moved to.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
24. I was long past my college years when I first moved out of state.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:26 PM
Jan 2017

I, and everybody else I know who has moved, never thought about cancelling our voter registration. Obviously Rump's own daughter didn't either. Why, oh why, didn't he let his own children know what they were supposed to do???

Mariana

(14,861 posts)
31. I moved to a different county once
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:36 PM
Jan 2017

and I DID notify the old county to remove me from the list of registered voters, several times. They did not. For years I knew I was registered in two places. This has to be very common when people move. As long as you only VOTE once, what is the problem?

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
26. Why do Republicans lie about everything?
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:29 PM
Jan 2017

Sheesh. Why don't they just own up to the fact that they are violators, and take their consequences like decent human beings?

mainer

(12,029 posts)
29. Guess who else is doubly registered?
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 12:52 PM
Jan 2017
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?@tbonier

For those keeping count, I've found that Bannon, Mnuchin, Priebus, Kushner, and Tiffany Trump are all registered to vote in two locations.

Vinca

(50,304 posts)
32. Millions of people are on more than one voting list.
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:41 PM
Jan 2017

I may be on a list from the town in another state I lived in years ago. I have no idea since I never told them to take me off the list. That doesn't mean there's a Vinca impersonator in that state voting under my name. Trump, the idiot, is talking about lousy record keeping and that's got nothing to do with voter fraud. Someone ought to check and see if any of his dead relatives are still on voting lists. They may very well be.

Bettie

(16,126 posts)
33. You know, I don't recall
Thu Jan 26, 2017, 01:42 PM
Jan 2017

cancelling my voter registration in any state after I moved.

So, I am possibly still on the rolls in Wisconsin and Illinois.

Plus Iowa.

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