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Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:35 AM Jun 2012

Only 29% of people polled support the President's Executive Privilege claim.

I warned the readers here for a long while about how this was going to play out. After being told that I couldn't be more wrong. I apologized and went silent. Knowing that sooner or later a poll would either prove me right, or wrong.

The Hill has the first poll. It's not bad, it's a disaster on Fast and Furious.

There is some slight good news. Our President has a seven point advantage over Congress. However, I wonder how much that will continue with weeks and months of news coverage comparing President Obama to the corrupt bastard Nixon. Right now, Women favor President Obama more than Men do.

This election in November is too close as it is. We can't afford months of negative press on Fast and Furious. The public isn't ready to believe the truth that it is a Witch Hunt by Issa.

What can we do to convince the people of the truth? How can we prove that it's a witch hunt?

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Only 29% of people polled support the President's Executive Privilege claim. (Original Post) Savannahmann Jun 2012 OP
Why do people pay so much attention to these polls? bigwillq Jun 2012 #1
I have no problem with the polls ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #4
Good points (nt) bigwillq Jun 2012 #6
Polls mean nothing Drale Jun 2012 #2
'American's are stupid' RZM Jun 2012 #7
A single American is a smart critically thinking individual Drale Jun 2012 #8
50% of Americans have an IQ of 100 or less GarroHorus Jun 2012 #10
That's not really what I was commenting on RZM Jun 2012 #12
What do you call people who would vote for a lying psychopath pennylane100 Jun 2012 #14
This is a ProSense Jun 2012 #3
Looking at this numbers ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #11
we don't have to convince anyone of anything KurtNYC Jun 2012 #5
I wasn't a fan of it JonLP24 Jun 2012 #9
We don't like executives and we don't like privilege. aquart Jun 2012 #13
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
4. I have no problem with the polls ...
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:51 AM
Jun 2012

But I have a whole lot of problems with the reporting of the surveys.

Despite the small sample ... The reporting out of the results is useless. It is far more useful to know why people oppose the subject polled on. For example, the poll reporting on the healthcare act would have it that 50+% disfavored the act; but doesn't mention that a significant portion of those polled as disfavoring, disfavored because they wanted much, much more, not less.

Drale

(7,932 posts)
2. Polls mean nothing
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:40 AM
Jun 2012

American's are stupid, they hear "executive privilege" and they automatically think he's doing something no other President has ever done and that he's a dictator.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
7. 'American's are stupid'
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:55 AM
Jun 2012


Sorry, couldn't help it. I get a kick out of it when people broad brush large groups as stupid and commit basic usage errors in the process.

Drale

(7,932 posts)
8. A single American is a smart critically thinking individual
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:01 PM
Jun 2012

a group of America's are stupid, illogical, violent, racist people who think what ever they are told. Never underestimate stupid people in large numbers.

 

GarroHorus

(1,055 posts)
10. 50% of Americans have an IQ of 100 or less
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:06 PM
Jun 2012

So something approaching half of all Americans are stupid.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
12. That's not really what I was commenting on
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:10 PM
Jun 2012

I was commenting on the incorrect apostrophe use in a statement about how a whole country is stupid. Grammar/spelling/punctuation mistakes happen all the time here. I've made many myself. The only time I point them out is when the poster makes them while calling everybody else stupid.

It's just funny to me I guess.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
14. What do you call people who would vote for a lying psychopath
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:43 PM
Jun 2012

who made his millions shipping their jobs overseas and has no plans now, or if and when he is president, to put people back to work. He has acknowledged that he wants to end social security, the program that is the main survival source for millions of senior citizens and discontinue medicare, the only way that millions of people get healthcare. He would roll back Obama health care reform. He thinks that it is acceptable to bar people with pre existing conditions from buying medical insurance. He would not support equal pay for woman and is against gay marriage and the dream act. Oh, and he wants to raise taxes on the a large percentage of the population to enrich the very rich.

If you look at the percentage of the population that would be negatively affected by his plans, and while I am no statistician, that is quite a lot of people, what would you call all the people that would vote for him, knowing that life for them will change substantially for the worse. I have not problem with using the word "stupid" as it is a lot less insulting than what I think of them.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
3. This is a
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:47 AM
Jun 2012
The Hill Poll was conducted among 1,000 likely voters on June 21 by Pulse Opinion Research and has a margin of error of 3 percentage points.


...Rasmussen poll: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasmussen_Reports#Business_model

Still, for a RW poll, this can't be good news for Republicans:

<...>

By a 7-point margin — 48 percent to 41 percent — likely voters said Congress had been obstructionist toward the president. Independents sided with Obama by a margin of 13 points, 51 percent to 38 percent.

Giving added succor to the Obama reelection campaign, voters said, albeit by a narrow 43 percent to 38 percent margin, that he has been better than Congress at addressing the challenges facing the nation. While conservatives and liberals split in predictable ways, moderates favored Obama by a full 15 points.

<...>

By a double-digit margin (44 percent to 31 percent), voters said they would prefer a single party to control both Congress and the White House. Voters who identified as

<...>

For example, women asserted by a 17-point margin that Congress has been obstructive of the president rather than acting as an appropriate check on the White House.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
11. Looking at this numbers ...
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:08 PM
Jun 2012

and considering what pundits are saying about business sentiment of fearing that a President Obama re-election would lead to MORE gridlock ... One would think that the gop would lose big in November.

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
5. we don't have to convince anyone of anything
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 11:51 AM
Jun 2012

F&F is a mess created by ATF under the Bush Admin. in 2006

And the election is 4 months away.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
9. I wasn't a fan of it
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:03 PM
Jun 2012

because I wasn't a fan of it when Bush used. To his credit it was just the first and only time so far.

What bothers me more is F&F being so politicized when it should be properly investigated but doesn't seem like that is going to happen.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
13. We don't like executives and we don't like privilege.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:31 PM
Jun 2012

Put the two words together and it sounds like doubling down on BAD.

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