We need to demand the TV stations tell the truth on our public airwaves, or Occupy the
FCC and demand they revoke their license.

that is the whole point.

WE all know what they are about now, and they are using our public airwaves to commit their crimes.

to "revoke" their license??

Certainly not the corporate arse kissing congress we have now-- and yeah, that includes the so called
democrats

WE can Occupy the TV stations, then the FCC.

Faux Noise doesn't have a license...nor do other cable teevee operators. Have a drum circle play in front of the building? Yesh, that'll work. The above poster nailed the nature of the corporate media...to make money. The concept of the "public airwaves" died ages ago (Telcom '96...passed by Bill Clinton...was the final stake in the heart). Media is the message and the problem but the "occupy" model doesn't do squat...it's using the internet and organization to counteract the propaganda. It's getting involved in the political process and wearing out shoe leather talking to people one-on-one...

In whose definition? And how do you pay for it? The "public airwaves" have always been a charade...as it has always cost large sums of money to operate a radio or television stations. We have public broadcasting which does some of the best investigative journalism around yet while available to almost everyone few watch. They do so by choice as the apathy in this country along with political polarization make defining what's "news" and how it should be presented as a very subjective one.

The media is changing...the internet allows everyone to be their own news director with literally thousands of sources to choose from. The problem isn't control...it's access and getting more people involved in both the development and then distribution of information.

The key is to embrace new media...such as netroots was doing but seems to have fallen asleep in recent years...and use it effectively. Waiting for the corporate media or the government for "fairness" will keep you waiting a long, long time...

It brought people to the network. It build trust. It was worth investing in.

Now it seems they work together to bring us the same stupid ass nonsense every day.

I don't think they really care how many viewers they have either, because the corporations will pay them either way. The idea is to create the appearance that Americans are OK with everything going on so that Americans will just go along. Manufactured Consent.

In times like this, hearken back to WWGGPD; "What Would Great-Grandpa Do?"

The "Occupy model" would actually work perfectly... if liberals weren't utter chickenshits who regard drum circles and witty slogans to be the pinnacle of protest.

Here's a link to the addresses and phone numbers of the major media headquarters for the US Media; http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=111

Each of those addresses has a building that can be occupied. Yes. March in, make yourself at home.

Each of those phone numbers has people listening at the other end. Call 'em up, and fill up their lines. Hell, if you want to throw in that drum circle, blast some Crash Worship or Rusted Root into your receiver or something.

Point is, this is how you do it. You want to affect change? Well, it has to be forced. it's not going to come to you if you ask nicely and go away when told.

...and lose elections...that's sure gonna make things a lot better, eh? Just tune out of the system, make noise and the corporate will shake in their boots? Spare me.

So now it's "liberals" who are the chickenshits...especially those of us who think the "occupy" moment came and went with little more than a wimper than a bang. But, be my guest...continue to trash those of use who were skeptical through our own past experiences with an "unorganized protest" and see many of the same mistakes made over again and again. We're not dealing with any change here...and it sure won't have any positive effect.

You're more than welcome to work your "model" (whatever it is...since there's nothing organized...how do you know what a model is??)...I'll put my time, money and other resources in helping get Democrats elected and bring change through legislation, not loitering. I'm betting my "model" works better than yours. Best of luck...

Tune out the system? What do you think you're doing, when your only participation in the system is to poke your head out for one day every two to four years? Voting is essential, but it's not the be-all end-all. No, I definitely do NOT advocate "dropping out" - in fact I've done nothing but criticize that bullshit thinking.

And yes. Chickenshits. The drum-circling, slogan-chanting, Bob Dylan Singalong Free Mumia dumbfucks who think "playing nice" is going to accomplish anything. I think perhaps we can agree that this stupid hipster-liberal crowd has taken too much influence in what started as a movement dedicated to what amounts to a form of sit-down strike. Also, people like yourself who are terrified of doing anything more participatory than feeding your vote to ES&S every so often.

Which brings us back to where I started; WWGGPD?

What did the Labor movement do? What did the suffrage movement do? What did the civil rights movements do?

They didn't settle for waving posterboard signs. Nor did they settle for only involving themselves a handful of times in the course of their lives.

Yes, I've seen your posts and this is the first I've responded to...and for a good reason.

Firstly...you don't know SQUAT as to who I am or what I've done over my over 50 years on this planet and thus all your projection is wasted electrons. Let's try to stick to a topic rather than go ad hominem ok??

Who gives you the right to call someone a "Chickenshit"...and fellow liberals and progressives at that who don't feel the "occupy" movement has accomplished a thing. Believe as you wish but don't dare dismiss those of us who have had our own experiences with civil rights movements, anti-war movements and other forms of political and civil disobedience with your "holier than thou" attitude. Dude...you didn't invent the sit down protest...and I'm still waiting for tangible results. Other than blaming black bloc for this and and the police for that. Which corporate have you brought down?

I wanted to believe that the "occupy" movement had some substance. I went to see for myself...several times...and came away with the impression of people with plenty of passion and little direction. Sorry...I'll let my work within the system bring results rather than stand around and yell at people and hope they listen. They aren't.

Best of luck chasing your windmills...

Firstly, my response to you was based off of what information you provided. Which amounted to "I vote and protest is bullshit!" Pardon me for going off of what you told me. I'll try to read your mind more accurately in the future.

What gives me the right to call people chickenshit is the same thing that give you the right to shoot your mouth off. I have an opinion that desires expression, and an open forum to do so. The funny thing is, you seem to be missing that you and I actually share an opinion here. The difference is... you're making shit up. See... I don't think I invented a sit-down protest. In fact, I'm so certain that I didn't, that I actually refer back to the people who did. Not once. TWICE.

What's more, you seem to have missed that I believe Occupy took a wrong turn, too. And the fucking crazy thing is, we even have the same opinion as to why that is! Well... maybe not the SAME opinion, but it's in the neighborhood.

So tell me. You've been voting since... Hmmm, the mid-seventies? How'd that Reagan thing work out for you? Oh, I'm not saying you voted for him, but you did vote, and surely that had some world-changing impact, right? Got Carter and Mondale that much closer to a sweep, right? Mmm, yeah. Maybe not. Wait, Dukakis lost too? So despite ypur vote, we got a CIA war criminal in office? Man, that sucks. I know! Maybe you can tell me about all those legislative successes your occasional vote was critical for in the 90's, such as the repeal of Glass-Steagal, the "welfare reform," or NAFTA... or... Telecommunicokay, know what, those are bad examples too. Tell me about how your vote kept that dumbfuck from Texas with his eyes too close together out of the... wait, not that, either? Well, at least tell me your votes were integral to keeping him from having a rubber-stamp congress... No? Not that either, huh? Well... hey! You helped elect Obama... Surely you were crucial to him keeping that Democratic majority in 2010... uh... What do you mean that didn't happen?

Yeah. Voting alone clearly works wonders for you, Kharma. I'm glad you're working so hard to keep everything in order, every two to four years. You keep on pissing on those protestors and patting yourself on the back for how crucial you were to the civil rights movement, and I'm sure everything will come out roses.

I've seen better projections at a 3D Light show.

Keep drumming my friend...alienating people will surely bring you closer to whatever undefined goal you so choose. Calling people names and attempting to project your strawmen into their worlds is amusing reading but shows little ability to organize and accomplish.

You jumped into this thread to prove something...and you surely did.

Best of luck in chasing windmills and pissing people off...

Seriously, stop abusing words.

"Keep drumming"? Man. Three posts. Three posts I tell you I think drum circles are some dumb shit, and you persist. Maybe you DO know what projection is, you've just... got it backwards.

And even a casual reading of my initial post will reveal my goal.

So.... yeah. Best of luck in not doing anything.

But what I have the biggest problem with is the infantilisation of the left: The notion that you can defeat the global financial elite without a class war. Do they think the rich are simply going to start playing fair out of their generous natures? Do they think democracy itself was established without a fight? The problem is we have a Left which can be bought off for a song. The wealthy do what they have always done. It is the lack of any moral fibre that has destroyed the so called left.

The left needs to get its balls back, so to speak.

First step is of course to own up to being on the left. Cut it out with this constant retreat from our terminology. In the 90's we became "liberals." This decade, we're "progressives." What will be calling ourselves come 2025, "The Really-Quite-Nices"?

yes, the terminology.

reich wing MSM will continue to paint the left as eveel.. even if we called ourselves disciples of Jesus.
what we call ourselves is more or less irrelevant as far as that crap goes.

one problem is the left doesn't quite get propaganda-- until we do that, it's continual fail.

I suggest you contact the FCC, tell them of the "violation" and demand the licenses of
major networks, FAUX News, etc. be revoked.

Let me know how it works out, OK?

Thanks!

each other for the total corporitization of America.

When and if that realization finally occurs, all hell is probably going to break out. Hence, the militarization of local/state police by DHS and all of the integrated surveillance devices seemingly going up all over America and the tools of repressive devices for population control.

A lot of people are getting wealthy off of this fake terrorism scenario, but it's more than that. Eventually, the L and the R are going to figure out they really have a lot in common in the big picture. I think OWS was touching on that once "the people" started talking than letting MSM state and antagonize their positions for MSM profit.

MSM is purely about $$$. They have no interest in the betterment of the country. MSM sells what sells. Once they became P&L centers the validity of MSM for educating the country went out the window.

and you think if we did wake everyone, all hell will break loose. We are better off being boiled slowly. Maybe if we just wait it out they will run out of money for Homeland Security.

Some sort of tipping point is coming.. but it appears many are willing to put up with a TON of abuse/BS
before they're willing to take action.

Environmental/financial disaster looms.. we'll see which happens first.

The corporate media is owned by the 1%. It does not serve the 1% to report on demonstrations by the 99%. This is why most protests recieve little or no press and when they do get press, 100,000 people are reported as a few thousand.

It's time to get in their faces. Surround their offices and make them walk the gauntlet to get to and from work. Let them try to ignore that.

to have the 99% easily talking and information shared by thousands without MSM propaganda injected.

on a number of websites. Hoards of people come on, comment, and then strangely disappear. Sadly, many Americans are putty in the hands of the corporate power structure, never questioning, just going with the flow. The misinformation and propaganda in this country is phenomenal. And often it's not hard to spot, but too many have blinders are, and are gullible and naive. And layered on that are the ignorant.

juries! These guys are saying vicious things about Dems, but POLITELY, so people are not voting to hide the post because the guy wasn't nasty about telling us all to fuck ourselves.

It is maddening.

If they wish us ill, we need to boot them.

Start a revolution within the TV stations, there have to be some decent employees there. Divide and Conquer!

Uhh, OK.

Let's show up... within 10 minutes the local cops would be there, demanding our ID's and asking where
our "permit" is to protest on the sidewalk.

No permit? go home, or go to jail.

Sorry, there's a much better way.

There's only one way to bring the giant down.

we need to restore restrictions on the consolidation of media ownership. Otherwise, at best you get minor, temporary improvement.

To my mind, there should be restrictions against any ownership affiliation between news media and other, non-journalistic businesses or anyone in political office.

In addition, a portion of the airwaves (or other media platforms) should be set aside as free for all political candidates to air their views.

idea what will eventually happen, but the system is sooo broken it's hard to see it working without some really major changes.

That is how you serve the public interest

Here is the link to our local station. You can get programs on the internet. I like Ian Masters.

http://www.kpfk.org/

The shows are really informative. There are lots of good ones.

But I don't see how much will be changed by just Occupying unless we elect enough folks who want to end the reign of Corporate America, and pass some type of media regulations like how Canada made it illegal for networks to lie.

But it is government we are wanting to change. We can't change corporate or church culture. They are anti-democratic by nature and would not accept it.

These groups control our food, water, air and every necessity. Without a commons managed by government, we are without a voice or our voice is filtered by those institutions. If we do not speak as they demand to support their heirarchy, we are deprived of the necessities of life.

We will come to a compromise with the anti-democrtic forces if we refuse to get into government to give it our voice. We may kick and scream, but we will do it as surely as we do today, paying for our ISP and every other thing we use.

If we get into government, we will still be within a system of compromise, but we can become the majority voice. But while we refuse to engage except in the streets, government and other forces still hold the ground that surrounds us

When people discuss getting out of the system or getting in control, several real issues come up. More than organizing an Occupy event or protest. I'm talking about the world what sustains our lives.
Most people involved in movements are mostly urban dwellers. They are more likely to be less religious, possibly more corporate minded or not, and gregarious.

Those who want as people did in the past to drop out and go back to the land, can do so, but only with capital. Then existing communities of people, not the corporations, churches or governments that we may focus on as denying us what we need, will oppose our being there.
They may use those entities, but they represent their desire to control the means by which they live.

If we move out to become self-sufficient and independent of some of the control, we will still be inventing a hierarchy based on old things. I saw this in the past. Those who had outside connections and those who paid for things had more power in new communities.

I"ve got to go but I want you to think about the physical aspects of the control of our lives and what power that has over us because it determines most of what is going on in this country. When push comes to shove, it's ownership of these things that determined how people will respond to the message.

And media. Well, we have to have it. Or else we are back to word of mouth. In fragmented communities, it won't work.

advertiser and product boycott.

Darcy Burner Wa. State Congressional candidate has developed a smart phone app just for that purpose.

"Darcy Burner developing smartphone app to allow shoppers to avoid brands owned by the Kochs and other rightwingers

Mopping up that spilled organic, fair trade coffee with a Brawny kitchen roll? Off to yoga in your Lycra shorts? Serving your kids kale chips on a Dixie paper plate? Did you know you were lining the pockets of the Charles and David Koch, billionaire bankrollers of the extreme right? Well, soon there’ll be an app for that.

A former tech head turned politician is developing an app that will allow shoppers to avoid products made by the Kochs or other billionaires currently spending fortunes backing rightwing candidates and policies."
"
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/23/an-almighty-koch-app-democrat-darcy-burner-developer-targets-billionaire-brothers/
http://darcyburner.com/

If we can't organize enough to do this we're doomed.

Shadows on the wall.

People can find out anything they want to on the internet and yet we are still stupid (on average).

The problem isn't the MSM with its ever-dwindling audiences -- the problem is that people don't feel empowered enough to stop being merely an audience, to turn off the TV and live their lives WITHOUT craving validation from a mid-20th Century propaganda machine.

yes, and learned helplessness is keeping everyone from fighting,

It isn't the scoreboard -- more like the screaming cheerleaders for the PTB.

I don't think we need to fix TV. The easier path would be to build up the newer networks of information dissemination. Embrace the many-to-many model.