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FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:00 PM Jun 2012

Germany tells Greece to stop asking for help and start cutting budgets

In unusually blunt remarks, German finance minister Wolfgang Schaeuble said: “The most important task facing new prime minister [Antonis] Samaras is to enact the programme agreed upon quickly and without further delay instead of asking how much more others can do for Greece.”

His comments highlight Germany’s growing impatience with the eurozone’s problem nations in what is shaping up to be another significant week for the single currency bloc.

A formal request from Spain for up to €100bn (£80bn) of emergency funding for its banks is expected on Monday, while the week ends with a two-day summit in Brussels where German chancellor Angela Merkel is again expected to dig in her heels over the eurobonds championed by France’s new president, Francois Hollande. Such bonds would mutualise the debts of the 17 eurozone nations, effectively leaving Germany on the hook for more spendthrift members.

Greece’s new three-party coalition government took charge on Thursday, vowing to renegotiate the terms of its latest €130bn bail-out. It wants a two-year extension to the 2014 deadline for it to cut its budget deficit to 2.1pc of GDP from 9.3pc in 2011. Such delay would, however, require up to €20bn more foreign funding.

Mr Schaeuble added: “Greece hasn’t tried enough so far, that has to be said quite clearly… no one on Earth who has followed this issue would think that Greece has fulfilled what it has promised.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9352540/Germany-tells-Greece-to-stop-asking-for-help-and-start-cutting-budgets.html

According to other reports:

- The Greek finance minister, who had been hospitalized earlier, has now resigned.

- Cyprus has asked for EU aid after Russia and China were not forthcoming with loans.

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RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
1. Has the EU really benefited the majority of the countries? It seems pre-EU things
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:04 PM
Jun 2012

went far more smoothly (I think?).

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
3. Oh, a couple of world wars, a couple of genocides, some regional conflicts,
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:09 PM
Jun 2012

Nothing major

The EU was created in order to prevent future European armed conflicts. It started out post WWII, morphed through the European Common Market and then into the EU. However I don't think the transformation will be complete until it truly becomes a European nation. As it sits, the situation is analogous to the United States under the Articles of Confederation, little central power, with the various states looking out for their own welfare first. The EU needs to become a federal state with a central government and central bank. Otherwise, if it stays as is it will blow apart.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
7. Good points, "The EU needs to become a federal state with a central government
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:21 PM
Jun 2012

and central bank. Otherwise, if it stays as is it will blow apart."

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
4. The EU is swimming against the tide of history
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:17 PM
Jun 2012

Since 1914, the number of countries in the world has steadily increased, rather than decreased.

So cobbling together a United States of Europe was a fools errand, especially as it occurred while the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia were coming apart. Even the Czechs and Slovaks went their separate ways. Russia is making little to no headway in reconsitituting the Soviet Union. Part of Libya's and Iraq'a problems are that both are collections of perviously independent regions.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
6. Yep, this is pretty much the feeling I've been getting. The EU seems to have
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:20 PM
Jun 2012

been a headache since day one.

 

GarroHorus

(1,055 posts)
2. Without a strong central government, the EU was bound to head down this economic road.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:04 PM
Jun 2012

It would be like California and New York doing nothing for Alabama and Mississippi to promote economic development.

The only possibilities for the Eurozone is to form a federal government capable of regulating all European commerce, or to disband.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
8. Most likely it will disband
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:28 PM
Jun 2012

But in the process they may have to nationalize their financial systems, ignore Anglo-American accounting standards, and abrogate British Law contracts.

Turbineguy

(37,343 posts)
5. I have to wonder....
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:20 PM
Jun 2012

Just how much influence the US had in the creation of the Euro. After all, a currency used by 800 million people is bound to overtake the US Dollar as the reserve currency of choice at some point in the not too distant future. Insuring its failure, or at least delaying its success, would benefit the US.

Most of the work was done well before the Bush Administration and indeed the Euro was exchanged for US$0.75 in 2000. Nobody could have seen coming that the Bush years would devalue the US economy by half against the Eurozone economy.

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