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Was the Emmancipation Proclamation an executive order? (Original Post) proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 OP
Yea, he was criticized Confusious Jun 2012 #1
Something worse happened to him BumRushDaShow Jun 2012 #2
Yes he was critized by DEMS in the house and senate nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #3
That's interesting proud2BlibKansan Jun 2012 #4
That has even been made into an alternate US History nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #9
As a wartime proclamation of the CiC I don't know if that's the term cthulu2016 Jun 2012 #5
13th Amend codified EP abolishing slavery. 14th amendment conferred citizenship leveymg Jun 2012 #6
Criticized by many people malthaussen Jun 2012 #7
The EP was a military decree by the CIC. former9thward Jun 2012 #8
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
3. Yes he was critized by DEMS in the house and senate
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:20 PM
Jun 2012

for abuse of power. I mean the Dems were not a liberal progressive party, and damn it, they HATED Lincoln for the many abuses incurred during the war, some real, some perceived.

Worst, if he had not caught a bullet, impeachment proceedings were in the works.

I know, I know way too much inside US History baseball.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
9. That has even been made into an alternate US History
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:56 PM
Jun 2012

novel... which is based on the real intent.

http://stephencarterbooks.com/books/fiction/impeachment-abraham-lincoln

Mind you the novel takes some liberties... as in huge ones, but it is an amusing read.

But there were real abuses of power during the civil war... from the executive. So yes, there MIGHT have been grounds for this...

That said, the democrats of the time hated Lincoln... with a passion.

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
5. As a wartime proclamation of the CiC I don't know if that's the term
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:27 PM
Jun 2012

It only applied to the territories in rebellion and was, in that sense, more like McArthur's orders about affairs in post WWII Japan than an executive order in normal US government.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
6. 13th Amend codified EP abolishing slavery. 14th amendment conferred citizenship
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:28 PM
Jun 2012

Slavery wasn't abolished under the Constitution until Dec. 1865, after Lincoln's assassination. It took another 3 years to pass the 14th Amend, which conferred birth-right citizenship to all born on US soil.

malthaussen

(17,204 posts)
7. Criticized by many people
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:40 PM
Jun 2012

Including Abolitionists, for not going far enough. The EP was a dramatic piece of political theatre aimed primarily at discouraging foreign intervention in the Civil War. Many people at the time thought it was nonsense, as it provided only for freeing slaves in areas not under Federal control, and specifically exempted slaves in areas that were under Federal control.

But it worked as foreign policy, because popular opinion in European countries was significantly anti-slavery, and the governments (who really couldn't have cared less, and leaned towards the CSA because the cotton embargo impacted the bottom line of the plutocrats) could not allow themselves to be put in the position of supporting slavery. Napoleon III had to find another excuse to seize control of Mexico.

Mr Lincoln was also criticized by parties called "Know nothings" and "Copperheads" (think Blue Dog dems, in current terms) for going too far, and also for making himself look ridiculous -- although they already thought he had a lock on making himself look ridiculous.

-- Mal

former9thward

(32,028 posts)
8. The EP was a military decree by the CIC.
Mon Jun 25, 2012, 12:49 PM
Jun 2012

Lincoln issued it, not as President, but as the "Commander of the Army and Navy". It only applied to areas which were under Confederate control. Slaves in Union held territory were not freed.

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