there is no point. We need to work on the future voters and the non voters.

If Trump meant to destroy the Republican Party and the U.S.A.'s reputation as the last world "superpower," then he's doing a good job.

"Fuck you, idiot!", I say.

The reasonable people that were conned into voting for Trump likely have regrets already, regrets that will grow with time. The deplorables? Screw them.

They were not reasonable people! They allowed their fear to guide them, they accepted Trump's bigotry, racism, and hatred of women!

Once they allowed themselves to look beyond all of his failings, once they accepted his view, they were no longer reasonable!

They may not be deplorables, they are one step below...and all are lower then whale shit!!!!

If they have true regrets, it'll show in the midterm elections...but until they atone for what they have done, they aren't deserving of any consideration!!!

Such would be a waste of energy and time.

But I am up for a good "Fuck you!" fest.

Would never listen, and honestly we don't deserve to hear any more of their bullshit than they already do.

If a man supports feminism, they don't think much of them.

You and I are live and let live (within reason: no harm to others, etc..) but they are you live as I live, no exceptions.

Hard to have a talk with someone like that.

Us) then let them do it. I don't think it's fair or useful for us to bother.

You're right. It's not up to their targets.

Not at all.

until they respect the facts, there's no point trying to talk to them.

But I'm a bad person.

Or was. I gave up. He thinks the people who approve his medications are idiots with PhDs and it wouldn't make a difference if they or John McCain decided what medications were safe.

I can't deal.

Nope, ain't gonna do it.

This is by autistic author Sparrow R Jones:
 I am not mad at you that Clinton lost. I am unconcerned that we have different politics. And I don't think less of you because you vote one way and I vote another.
No...I think less of you because you watched an adult mock a disabled person in front of a crowd and still supported him. I think less of you because you saw a man spouting clear racism and backed him. I think less of you because you listened to him advocate for war crimes, and still thought he should run this country. I think less of you because you watched him equate a woman's worth to her appearance and got on board. It isn't your politics that I find repulsive. It is your personal willingness to support racism, sexism, and cruelty. You sided with a bully when it mattered and that is something I will never forget.

So, no ...you and I won't be "coming together" to move forward or whatever. Trump disgusts me, but it is the fact that he doesn't disgust you that will stick with me long after this election.

https://www.facebook.com/DebraMessing/photos/a.398197600282054.1073741825.287333368035145/895178257250650/?type=3&theater

Do we really want to revert to old world thinking about intelligence and people's capacity for growth? As a society, we made these people, our leadership in particular. Our inability or unwillingness to fight big money and its interests has helped to make these people.

When does it ever make sense to blame the ignorant or the "stupid," if your interest is in actually fixing the problem. How does one step up and stop behaving in a way that you call stupid if they are in-fact "stupid?"

And how has that sort of designation been used historically? The difference is its usually used by the status quo to marginalize women or minorities.

At best, we're 54% of the population at the moment and we don't have any of the instruments of power, or the messaging machine. So how do you think that's going to work out for us to just shit on the people we don't like?

We do need to figure out how to talk to them, and we can tamp down our inclination to blame them for our ills in the process.

if you can find a way through their fog and groveling at the feet of the boy-potus who wants to be fuhrer. THEY DON"T WANT TO TALK TO US!!!!!!!!I have tried, neighbor who I used to talk with at holiday barbecues and such can't contain his glee at finally getting his wish, putting those colored people back in their place. You talk to him. This nicey-nice approach will get you no where except to be scorned as weak by them. They probably won't realize how stupid they really are even when the pain starts for them and their families with all the cuts....20million cut.....

structured for us. Being angry at the product is a distraction from the manufacturer. Quit helping them to be distracted by us as well. Keep pounding on who is pulling their(our) strings and why.

Trying to get people to see that they are racist is tricky and there's a lot of mental self-preservation that you have to combat then, after already making them shut down by making them wrong or the villain. Showing them instead, how they are getting robbed, and how big money is manipulating us by using scapegoating and race-baiting to do it, is part of the process of refocusing.It makes something other than these voters the villain.

Of course it's not as easy as having a conversation with your neighbor. Nobody changes that quickly. Having language and a narrative language available that they might actually hear though, is getting us somewhere. And big money does have its hands in both party's. If you take Barney Frank's defense of money's entry into politics, his own numbers would say Democrats take 20 percent of what republicans take. That's probably a low estimate, but talking about money in politics and in the messaging that is blasted out to us can be done in a non-partisan way. That is an in. It isn't us against them any more. Its the elites vs all of us.

Of course it isn't enough to have a single isolated conversation with somebody. It takes more time--and better-- more voices. And of course, if that isn't what you believe, then there are conversations that we need to continue to have amongst ourselves, because we aren't all on the same page even here.

thanks for explaining to this unknowing and lacking knowledge person of how to deal with racist people, WHO ARE MY ENEMY, and who is also a person woefully lacking in knowledge of how to deal with their "tricky" mentality. As far as reeducation of these low lifes, it's been generations and the white supremacist SCUM now in charge with millions of followers have just taken me back 50-60 years when I was growing up part time in the south.

I appreciate the explaining though, it gives me an idea of how some people think they can handle the deplorable shit disguised as human beings walking the streets with confederate flags when they are at war with every person not white.

Same page, I doubt if that will ever happen because some on the other pages have not personally had the racist experience(s) of others on another page, so could never unintellectualize their thinking..no, standing up to the racist, even if that further alienates him/her, loudly and as meanly and viciously as they attack is the only way to deal with these cowards who voted of the boy-potus. But again thanks for the lesson, I'll put it in my daily planner for references later, much later in a kinder, gentler time if we ever see that as a society again. Have a good day/life.

Were people, or were they not, capable of change? Were California voters, or were they not--within a couple years--capable of reconsidering their irrational fear of gay marriage?

By the way, I'm not trying to teach you or lecture to you. I am putting forward an argument. I understand to the best of my ability, your frustration and anger and pain, because you have been the target of horribly unjust behavior. Your anger, even hatred, might be just and righteous, but from my point of view, none of that changes the realities of how the human mind actually works. None of that changes the fact that these are still human beings who function according to human needs and fears.

In my opinion, treating them as evil gives them far more agency than I believe any of us actually have, and I think the science bears that out, or else you wouldn't see patterns in culturally isolated pockets that don't match those in more diverse areas. As such, I'm also of the opinion that fighting against them rather than the machinery, is poor allocation of our energy, and that misdiagnosing things makes it harder for us to fight the disease itself rather than the symptoms. That said, I can imagine not being in a place to do that...given the burden and exhaustion of it all. There may just be no patience or energy left to fight this the way I believe it needs to be fought(whether I'm wrong on that is worth discussing), and that is certainly not on you or others who just can't stomach it at this point. But it does make things look even bleaker to me.

I tweet at DJT.

But that's about it.

DJT is doing my work for me, he's so awful. What more could I say?

Not hanging out with anyone that voted for this guy that were friends.

We are done, we are over, and that's that. Get lost and have a nice life being a complete asshole.

Family, I have to still deal with.

I'd like that worded just right.

I will not waste my time until I hear one whining about how the boy-potus has fucked them. Then, if I can stop laughing, I MIGHT talk to them. BIG,big might.

always get the last word.

It is the same result. I know more than a few Trump voters, and while some might be perfectly nice and pleasant when it comes to subjects other than politics, they live in their own alternate political reality.

I've tried to figure out WHY, and found they all fully bought into Trump's propaganda.

Whenever I try to hold a decent debate, with each one individually, it always ends with "Trump 4 Life", "You lost, get over it", "Liberal tears are so delicious", "Mass media is all fake news." I start making headway on a topic and I see them starting to come around, when they suddenly shut down and spout the same stuff that all Trump deflectors use.

In their case, I think they needed a scapegoat for everything wrong with their lives. They blamed Obama most for not being able to get and hold onto a job. Yeah, it's Obama's fault they didn't feel like going to college or trade school. It's Obama's fault they spent all their money on weed. They started hating the government so much, they believed every bad government conspiracy there is.

Then along comes Trump. A person they can finally relate to, running for POTUS. Their hatred of the government runs so deeply, they are willing to throw their family and friends under the bus to watch Trump dismantle government. They believe Putin is a saint and that the Imperial U.S. regime must be destroyed. Putin would NEVER attack another country without just cause, etc...

After a couple weeks, I started seeing them in such a different light that it's disturbing to be around them now.

and move on. Don't waste another second on them.

If we can't get our own people out to vote in crucial states, especially in mid-terms, then we're screwed.

...I meant it rhetorically, as in 'no.' but every post took the question literally.

As others have pointed out, this asshole has given us a myriad of excellent reasons to not want anything thing to do with him. Everything from lying, cheating, stealing, adultery, mocking disabled people, bragging about sexually assaulting women, and even treason against his own country. As Debra Messing said, he's racist, sexist, and outright cruel. If they still love him in spite of all of that, there is not a damn thing you or I can say that will change their minds in any way. They don't want to know the truth about their dear leader. Soon, they are going to experience the fallout from their support of this putrid bag of pus. It's going to hit them good and hard. Maybe that will wake some of them up. If it doesn't, there is no hope for them, barring intervention by professional cult deprogramming.

They are ones who wanted a change but aren't Fox/Talk Radio hounds.

We have talked to them, dems are for US workers, but we they felt Trump was more trustworthy on these issues. We'll see.

However Trump has the perfect brew for the total talk radio brainwashed person. There has never been a candidate that spoke the language of the white, usually older, rustbelt person. Angry, suspicious of outsiders, hates democrats viscerally.