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NanceGreggs

(27,814 posts)
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 01:23 AM Jan 2017

This is WAR

Where we are at as a nation is not a skirmish between different ideologies. This is not a parting of the ways between the “right” and the “left”. This is not a battle between Democrats v Republicans, liberals and conservatives.

This is WAR.

This is a war between truth-tellers and liars, between “alternate” facts and actual facts, between climate-change deniers and scientific evidence, between citizens who revere the Constitution and those who would trample it, between those who believe in freedom of thought and expression and those who believe in the suppression of any expression of thought contrary to any ideology they themselves embrace.

This is WAR.

There is no common ground shared by those who believe in GLBT rights and those who want GLBTers persecuted and/or prosecuted. There is no common ground shared by those who embrace diversity and those who want white supremacy. There is no common ground shared by those who respect all religions, or the choice not to be a “believer” at all, and those who want their religious beliefs to be the major influence on our government and its policies.

This is WAR.

We are no longer in a place where we can even pretend to “agree to disagree”, laugh it off, and get together for a couple of drinks. We are fighting an enemy who, as this last election has shown, want n*gg*rs at the back of the bus, want “homos” jailed, want immigrants ousted, want the Bible taught in place of science in our classrooms, want all social safety-nets shredded, and want people who can’t afford healthcare to crawl off somewhere and die.

This is WAR.

The enemy has so little respect for our country’s standing in the world, they elected an utter buffoon to its highest position, making us a global laughingstock. They have so little regard for our nation’s well-being, they put a mentally unstable man in the White House. They have so little concern for their fellow citizens, they have sat in silence as totally unqualified people have been put in charge of vitally important gov’t departments, or been appointed to positions they have no understanding of.

This is WAR.

Fight it when you can and where you can, and by whatever means you can. Write/call-email your elected reps, spread the word on social media, call out the liars, inform the ill-informed, march, protest, sign petitions – it all counts.

And remember – there are more of “us” than there are of “them”.


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This is WAR (Original Post) NanceGreggs Jan 2017 OP
Thank you, Nance! This is a WAR between those living in REALITY Cha Jan 2017 #1
Thank you, I write! Lifelong Protester Jan 2017 #2
I agree, we need to treat this as war... Raster Jan 2017 #3
I have always been a peace loving hippy, but now I get it.... unfortunately world wide wally Jan 2017 #4
It's war when Trump pees on the Statue of Liberty flamingdem Jan 2017 #5
Agreed butdiduvote Jan 2017 #6
Welcome to DU, butdiduvote! calimary Jan 2017 #10
Thank you for the welcome! butdiduvote Jan 2017 #14
Thanks back atcha. Solidarity R Us. calimary Jan 2017 #36
Welcome to DU BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #46
Thank you for the welcome! butdiduvote Jan 2017 #74
Look here for contact information on President, Senators, Representatives, State & Local Officials NBachers Jan 2017 #7
This handwriting this is great...thank you. TrekLuver Jan 2017 #29
Are we there? Stryst Jan 2017 #8
That is a disgusting video RelativelyJones Jan 2017 #9
I strongly disagree. Stryst Jan 2017 #11
Whatever the intended political message RelativelyJones Jan 2017 #12
Yeah, the fist time I saw it, I laughed so hard I droped my bong Stryst Jan 2017 #24
I like this heaven05 Jan 2017 #33
Maybe this version is more approachable for your delicate sensibilities: concreteblue Jan 2017 #13
"they got the TV, we got the truth... alterfurz Jan 2017 #25
Besides the message, I loved this video Stryst Jan 2017 #39
Most importantly: there are more of us than there are of them. BigBearJohn Jan 2017 #15
"Rise like Lions after slumber... alterfurz Jan 2017 #28
As a chess player and a pawn. Smickey Jan 2017 #41
Thank you, yes. GoneOffShore Jan 2017 #16
I am doing a war dance all over the Internet tonight! Mountain Mule Jan 2017 #17
Good Luck, Mule! volstork Jan 2017 #44
Indeed, we SHALL prevail! Mountain Mule Jan 2017 #62
You GO, Girl! volstork Jan 2017 #64
SiriusXM talk host Joe Madison mentioned that site on his show BumRushDaShow Jan 2017 #60
Many Thanks! Mountain Mule Jan 2017 #65
Also want to say Welcome to DU! BumRushDaShow Jan 2017 #71
Wonderful! Mountain Mule Jan 2017 #72
That's great BumRushDaShow Jan 2017 #73
Solidarity!!! sagetea Jan 2017 #63
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Jan 2017 #18
KnR Nance Hekate Jan 2017 #19
It's been WAR since 1980 brooklynboy49 Jan 2017 #20
Your writing skills are amazing. GregD Jan 2017 #21
K&R. Paladin Jan 2017 #22
K&R davekriss Jan 2017 #23
K&R mcar Jan 2017 #26
You are DAMN SKIPPY this is WAR. TrekLuver Jan 2017 #27
kick'd and rec'd lunatica Jan 2017 #30
Best thing I've read in a long time. concord Jan 2017 #31
you got alerted on heaven05 Jan 2017 #32
K&R... spanone Jan 2017 #34
My message to mccain just now - asiliveandbreathe Jan 2017 #35
K and R oasis Jan 2017 #37
This is what I've been saying. johnp3907 Jan 2017 #38
The CON idiots at DI are obsessed with DU and love this thread. beaglelover Jan 2017 #40
I agree with everything you said, but it goes deeper! Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #42
That's how I see it. llmart Jan 2017 #43
K&R! gademocrat7 Jan 2017 #45
Thank you, Nance! BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #47
John Adams bucolic_frolic Jan 2017 #48
The worst people in the entire world have seized control, and they've gone mad with power. Initech Jan 2017 #49
I can envision the Statue of Liberty being taken down by many differing groups. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2017 #50
Yes Yes Yes! NastyRiffraff Jan 2017 #51
Ride or Die larry budwell Jan 2017 #52
K&R livetohike Jan 2017 #53
I must admit, I'm usually pretty calm ... Fantastic Anarchist Jan 2017 #54
Trump is destroying innocent lives over NOTHING! Kablooie Jan 2017 #55
World War 3 nt maryellen99 Jan 2017 #57
K&R tallahasseedem Jan 2017 #56
Thank you! deancr Jan 2017 #58
Great OP, right on the mark. George II Jan 2017 #59
The most dangerous moment in human history. byronius Jan 2017 #61
Right On! colsohlibgal Jan 2017 #66
k&r KewlKat Jan 2017 #67
Amen!!! (n/t) Puzzler Jan 2017 #68
Beautiful, Nance! Kath2 Jan 2017 #69
Who are generals of "them"? Not governmental tools. It helps to know who is waging this war. ancianita Jan 2017 #70
K&R Bobbie Jo Jan 2017 #75
K & R SING IT!!! 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2017 #76

Cha

(297,249 posts)
1. Thank you, Nance! This is a WAR between those living in REALITY
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 01:30 AM
Jan 2017

and those sucking up to the blotus' autocratic version of NON reality.

KAC with her "alternative facts" and his toady spicerfacts.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
5. It's war when Trump pees on the Statue of Liberty
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:19 AM
Jan 2017

and all of our history as a country of immigrants.

He simply can't get away with that

butdiduvote

(284 posts)
6. Agreed
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 03:05 AM
Jan 2017

Many, I think, are still desperately trying to view the current situation through a left vs. right, "politics as usual" lens, which is why you see so many dismissing liberals' concerns as mere "sour grapes" over losing an election or telling those who are genuinely despondent to get over it and rethink their priorities because it was JUST an election in which the other side won. Hopefully more people will catch up and break out of their old ways of thinking about politics soon.

I feel ill-prepared to deal with all of this myself. When I thrust myself full-force into Hillary's campaign in 2015, I had no intentions to sign up for this mess that has caused me to question everything I thought I knew about America and the world. I was ready to partake in some discourse about women in the workforce, expanding healthcare access, making college more afforable, etc. I wasn't prepared to spend my days ripping out my hair while the other side gaslighted the nation and foreign governments assisted them in spreading propoganda to turn progressive voters against one another. I don't know what to do or think anymore. I think that is the point.

calimary

(81,274 posts)
10. Welcome to DU, butdiduvote!
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 03:43 AM
Jan 2017

LIKE your screen name!

I was a very active Hillary supporter, too. I have been since I first discovered her during Campaign 1992. I remember a few weeks before the election, texting my daughter about the larger meaning of breaking that last glass ceiling, what it would mean for women all over the world - that a woman would serve in the most powerful job on the planet. Today, I found myself watching that news conference with trump and Theresa May. I kept imagining how enthralling, uplifting, and totally inspiring it would have been to have seen a President Hillary Clinton standing side-by-side with the female British Prime Minister. What a statement that would have made. What a revolution for women world-wide. A signal that the eons of women being relegated to 2nd-class citizens, or not even citizens but mere property to be bought, sold, and bartered. That was my dream - to realize it hand-in-hand with my grown daughter. I would live to see it happen along WITH her. We'd both be witnessing this cataclysmic leap forward in human history!

I'm afraid I take this whole trump debacle too personally. That bastard and his weasels and flying monkeys STOLE that dream from me.

butdiduvote

(284 posts)
14. Thank you for the welcome!
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 03:57 AM
Jan 2017

Been reading for a while and finally decided to sign up!

I'm working and cannot give a lenghty reply, but I identify with so much of what you said. I had this whole vision about what my life was going to be like the next four (maybe 8!) years, and the Trumpies, along with everyone who didn't vote for Hillary because she was supposedly just as bad, deprived me of that. It was the one major thing I had that kept me going while the rest of my life was in shambles quite frankly, and now I have nothing left. I couldn't help but take this election personally. "They" took my "one thing." I could probably accept it if I felt that the loss was legitimate, that the other platform simply resonated with more people...but that is SO far from what happened.

calimary

(81,274 posts)
36. Thanks back atcha. Solidarity R Us.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:27 PM
Jan 2017

Hey, I take this personally. As a woman, as a mother, as the mother of a daughter. As the mother of a daughter who married into a family of many more women than men. Our son-in-law is one of approximately a dozen cousins and he's the only male.

I think of my sisters, their new nieces, my brother's only grandchild - a baby girl, my nephew's only daughter - a baby girl. WHAT ON EARTH are we setting up for them? Besides, we now proudly have an avowed (and proud of it) sexual predator as a so-called president. Yeah, let's all enjoy how "wonderful" this jackass is.

My husband is now "marveling" in a discouraged, disgusted way - at how much shit trump has stirred up in a week. A WEEK! Only his first WEEK!?!?!? And he's picking a fight with Mexico. He's picking a fight with China. He's picking a fight with Iran - well there goes THAT nuclear weapons curtailment treaty...

And hey, working-class/Rust-Belt America, how do you like the idea of YOU paying for that wall, after all? And Mexico will somehow magically pay us back - "later"? And then if trump gets his way and imposes 20% tariffs or some such financial trickery to try and extract more money from them, that means all that made-in-Mexico crap you buy at Walmart is gonna start costing more - so YOU get to pay for that damn wall AGAIN!!! TWICE! DOUBLE! What's that little ditty - "double your pleasure, double your fun"? Yeah. YOU get to pay for that stupid-ass wall TWICE. And it won't work toward the stated goal you all believe in, with your blinders on and your minds closed and your reasoning and logic and objectivity turned off.

How do you like the "Art of THAT Deal"????

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
46. Welcome to DU
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 05:57 PM
Jan 2017

and I hear you!

What we have today is literally war - not at all "politics as usual."

Some still have not "gotten" that.

But Nance Greggs clearly has!

NBachers

(17,110 posts)
7. Look here for contact information on President, Senators, Representatives, State & Local Officials
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 03:11 AM
Jan 2017
https://www.usa.gov/elected-officials

This is an invaluable resource for contacting government officials. Yes, I know it isn't sexy, but it's part of the drudgery of government. These are the bullets we're shooting in this war.

Call, fax, email, write, visit offices.

If you're using the Contact Me form, or writing, you can look up a restaurant in their district, and use that address as your own.

Google search for postcard blanks and templates. Any office supply store has 'em.

Turn your handwriting into a font and print out multiples of hand-written postcards to mail out. https://www.buzzfeed.com/nicolenguyen/how-you-do-dat?utm_term=.ngwz0rM44X#.eiZxqaQEE1

I've just bought a fax modem so I can fax without printing documents and faxing them.

If we can post on DU, we can do all of the above.

Stryst

(714 posts)
8. Are we there?
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 03:20 AM
Jan 2017

Seriously, there were three politically motivated shootings today, including a mass shooting where the shooter was screaming about Muslims and F*g**ts and fired 240 rounds. They not only refused to allow us to control murder machines, they threatened to rape and murder anyone who wanted to touch their precious rifles.

When we said that the constitution allows freedom to share and express any belief that doesn't affect another person, they stamped their feet and declared that this is a "Christian" nation, right before they cluster bombed a bunch of brown kids. When any individual steps up and tries to defend the separation of church and state, those individuals immediately start receiving rape and murder threats, including to their children.

When we told them that their gas guzzlers and love of coal were destroying the world, they called us liars and locked the scientists trying to warn us up with years of litigation. Plus, the rape and murder threats.

Every time they get power, they hurt us. The mental health care system, the veterans care system, health care access, the fucking TREASURY. Generations of the little scraps we gather stolen, packaged, and delivered to a small cabal of oligarchs so they can buy another car that they don't drive, or another house that they don't live in, but are sure to hire plenty of private security to make sure no homeless get near them.

I am boiling with impotent rage and the only solutions I can think of are to run or fight. I'm not much of a runner. But I am a big fan of comedy, and this has been a tense day, so maybe a nice satirical video will ease all of our tension.

Stryst

(714 posts)
11. I strongly disagree.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 03:44 AM
Jan 2017

Also, if you're so sensitive, why did you bother clicking on a video by TREVOR MOORE called "Time for Guillotines"? I personally don't find much offensive, but if someone posted a Hagee video, I would know NOT TO CLICK on that video, because it would probably offend me. If there was a video called "stomping kittens" I wouldn't click on it.

This is a satirical video about pulling down the power structure. Sure, it makes jokes about several forms of violence, as a means for conservatives and liberals to join together and pull down the house of cards that the oligarchs have built for us.

How is unity, and the people of our country coming together sick and wrong?

RelativelyJones

(898 posts)
12. Whatever the intended political message
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 03:53 AM
Jan 2017

It has a child singing about killing, about wiping out "wives and children" and gangrape. Yeah, it's a laugh riot. Check out the lyrics. https://genius.com/Trevor-moore-time-for-guillotines-lyrics

Stryst

(714 posts)
24. Yeah, the fist time I saw it, I laughed so hard I droped my bong
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 01:18 PM
Jan 2017

I find the idea of a priest and an abortion doctor holding hands while they curb stomp fascists is not only funny, it's inspiring as hell. Also, not a word about the shootings, but WHOA, someone posted a video that I personally find offensive. Oh, I'm sorry, you used the word "disgusting". I personally find your blase attitude about this disgusting. But your feelings were hurt, and I acknowledge that. Do I need to keep trying to make you feel better about not clicking with mainstream comedy, or are we done here? Because I've got beer to brew, and fascists to deal with.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
33. I like this
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:21 PM
Jan 2017

total truth....even some here can't stand the truth unless it's couched in nicey-nice language...you go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

concreteblue

(626 posts)
13. Maybe this version is more approachable for your delicate sensibilities:
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 03:57 AM
Jan 2017

"Every textbook said to bring you the bread
But guess what we got you instead...."

alterfurz

(2,474 posts)
28. "Rise like Lions after slumber...
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:12 PM
Jan 2017

...in unvanquishable number --
shake your chains to earth like dew
which in sleep had fallen on you --
ye are many -- they are few."
-- Shelley, "The Masque of Anarchy"



GoneOffShore

(17,339 posts)
16. Thank you, yes.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 04:14 AM
Jan 2017

Sitting and looking at the sea this morning at 6AM, because I could no longer continue to lie in bed and have thoughts tumble around, my thoughts turned to Kosovo and Rwanda. Two places that, last century, experienced genocide, engineered by authoritarian leaders.
How did they encourage their followers to take up rifles, bombs, machetes and cudgels against their fellow citizens? They told their followers that those people who shared the same needs, wants, and humanity weren't really people. They made them 'the other'.
And today, in the US, DT, Bannon, Spencer, Conway, et al, along with their various enablers are trying to do the same.
It has started in small and not so small ways and is a continuing project of intimidation: Targeting Planned Parenthood clinics by 'pro-forced-birth' advocates, targeting Muslim schools, going after Jewish community centers, LGBQT support groups, free speech advocates, scientists.
My prediction is that we will soon see DT's version of Kristallnacht. We have to stand strong for the weaker members of our society, otherwise we will end up like Rwanda and Kosovo. Because, the RedHats have decided that anyone different than they are is the enemy. They want 'the others' dead.

Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
17. I am doing a war dance all over the Internet tonight!
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 04:26 AM
Jan 2017

I have always been an activist, but the current situation in our country has caused me to come out fighting in any way I can - clean or dirty - it matters not when opposing such truly horrible people as Comrade trump and his KGB style followers. For those who are not yet aware of the site, I highly recommend INDIVISIBLE, a place where you can get great information and ideas about fighting back using the Tea Party's own tactics, among many other great ideas. We must go grassroots on this one and hold our local Congressional Representatives responsible for their every vile act and allow them to see our claws and our teeth, shining with wrath. It means doing more than just sending a few e-mails. E-mails are just for fire starters. I have already e-mailed my 3rd district Colorado Representative, Scott Tipton (R) and requested to be a member of his next town hall meeting. I also sent a separate request for a special meeting here in my small Colorado town (pretty conservative) to discuss the Affordable Care Act and just what Tipton and Paul Ryan plan to put in its place, along with the consequences for Colorado's low income disabled and low income seniors who are almost completely dependent on programs like Medicaid and SSDI/SSI which Ryan and his cohorts want to put on the chopping block.

I've never attempted anything quite like this before but when I think of the terrible plight that the Republicans' strategy would place millions of Americans in (including myself), my courage only grows stronger - not weaker. I have to come up with a meeting agenda, a day and time, and the estimated number of attendees. And most important of all, I need to get the word out to everyone in my county. I've got to canvas my town, get support from local church and civic groups and encourage people to sit down and talk together and fight not ourselves, but our true enemy the Republicans who would destroy our democracy in favor of the upper one percent. I don't know how a woman with a brain injury is going to manage all this, but I can't help but believe that I'll find me some friends along the way. I'll also be sending off letters to the editor of all of Colorado's wealthy ski resort towns like Aspen and Vail in order to stir up a little guilt among the chic and the wealthy. They do love to do their good little deeds in Aspen and Telluride!

Tomorrow, I'll be calling out Colorado's Senators for a fight at the local OK corral at high noon. Wish me luck, everyone! I'll be damned if I stand by and watch my fellows die from lack of medical care/housing/food. We WILL make our voices heard, never doubt that for a moment. I hope you will all come join this battle for our one and only precious country and planet!

Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
62. Indeed, we SHALL prevail!
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 09:29 PM
Jan 2017

Thanks for the words of encouragement, my friend. While Colorado is becoming a much more blue state than it once was, rural Colorado where I live is still determinedly red and run mostly by the big shots who affiliate themselves with the ultra-conservative Cattlemen's Association. But by golly, me and my friends out here are going to make those cowboys hang on to their hats. Just wait until this old mule gives them the hardest kick they've ever gotten! Together we are crazy strong!

BumRushDaShow

(129,032 posts)
60. SiriusXM talk host Joe Madison mentioned that site on his show
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 08:54 PM
Jan 2017

last week and his staff posted it on his facebook page.

Good luck with your efforts!

Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
65. Many Thanks!
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 10:16 PM
Jan 2017

INDIVISIBLE is one of the best sites I've run across in ages. It gives a step by step plan to pin the Republicans to the wall using their own Tea Party inspired tactics. From the Introduction:


WHO IS THIS DOCUMENT BY AND FOR?

We: Are former progressive congressional staffers who saw the Tea Party beat back President Obama’s agenda.

We: See the enthusiasm to fight the Trump agenda, and want to share insider info on how best to influence Congress to do that.

You: Want to do your part to beat back the Trump agenda and understand that will require more than calls and petitions.

You: Should use this guide, share it, amend it, make it your own, and get to work.




We believe that protecting our values, our neighbors, and ourselves will require mounting a similar resistance to the Trump agenda — but a resistance built on the values of inclusion, tolerance, and fairness. Trump is not popular. He does not have a mandate. He does not have large congressional majorities. If a small minority in the Tea Party could stop President Obama, then we the majority can stop a petty tyrant named Trump.

To this end, the following chapters offer a step-by-step guide for individuals, groups, and organizations looking to replicate the Tea Party’s success in getting Congress to listen to a small, vocal, dedicated group of constituents. The guide is intended to be equally useful for stiffening Democratic spines and weakening pro-Trump Republican resolve
.


And it just keeps getting better. Check it out everyone, and spread the word!

https://www.indivisibleguide.com/web/

BumRushDaShow

(129,032 posts)
71. Also want to say Welcome to DU!
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 08:45 AM
Jan 2017


Around my area, there are many who are trying to do their part by participating in the "Hate Has No Home Here" & "Hate Has No Business Here" effort with signs popping up all around the Philly area and immediate suburbs. Those printing and distributing the signs have literally been running out of them the same day they are being offered and there is a call out for more folks to get involved nationwide (the effort originated in the Chicago area). The image files are offered here -

https://hatehasnohomehere.wordpress.com/





The usage of the imagery allows for insertion of other languages to tailor to different areas of the country that may have a different mix of languages that are spoken.

Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
72. Wonderful!
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 12:35 PM
Jan 2017

Thanks so much for letting me know about "Hate has no Home Here." This is exactly the message I would like to send out to my small, rural, highly conservative community. I'm going to go out and buy new ink for my printer and print a few of those puppies up and distribute them appropriately.

BTW, thanks for the welcome! As I have mentioned in a post to a different thread, I've actually been around DU for a while now. I managed to survive the Great Election Day Hack and return from the dead as "Mountain Mule." I like my new user name better than my old one, so "Mule" it is!

BumRushDaShow

(129,032 posts)
73. That's great
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 12:46 PM
Jan 2017

and I know a bunch of folks got caught in that nightmare and have returned like you with fresh accounts. I was actually on a jury for the lethal troll as its damage was propagating across the site.

I know that many around my area had been so frustrated that they still had their Clinton-Kaine signs out in a defiant protest and this new sign perfectly captures a meaningful move to the next phase to (per a tweet I saw yesterday) "Help Make America America Again"!

 

brooklynboy49

(287 posts)
20. It's been WAR since 1980
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 11:43 AM
Jan 2017

We've been under attack for going on 40 years. Many people who cherish progressive values are first recognizing that fact. The Republicans hunker down and toe the party line while they use every weapon at their disposal to wage war, while Democrats (wrongfully and naïvely) play nice and seek bipartisan agreement and support for compromise measures. It's time to jettison that kind of thinking and support progressive measures -- and only progressive measures -- and dig in and oppose -- in complete unity -- all Republican efforts to nullify the New Deal, civil rights legislation, LGBT protections and women's rights.

We're under siege, and it's high time we recognize that fact and act accordingly.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
32. you got alerted on
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:20 PM
Jan 2017

but the truth is truth. Even some here want it couched in nicey-nice language. I voted for this to stay..... on edit: you did not get alerted on....just a person responding to your OP....with truth...please excuse my confusion...I still like your OP....

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
35. My message to mccain just now -
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 02:27 PM
Jan 2017

IS this what you spent years in a pow camp for - is this what my dad WW11 fought for - my two brothers Viet Nam, my son RET. 21 years Navy chief fought for - for god's sake - DO SOMETHING!

Tks for telling it like it is NG

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
42. I agree with everything you said, but it goes deeper!
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 04:45 PM
Jan 2017

TPTB wanted Trump in for the same reason Putin did, $$$! They had their MSM give him the free airtime, their Republicans pass the voter suppression etc., to advance their interests much faster than before. Just look at the cabinet nominees.

They control our government and almost all in it. By allowing them to buy our politicians they get everything they want at our expense.

Until and unless we rise up enmasse and demand comprehensive campaign finance reform, take out the money and revolving door and bust up the media and banking oligarchies, we will continue our downward slide.

The social issues, while important, are a distraction to this root problem. Donald Trump is the king of distraction preventing us from seeing the forest through the trees.

When will we learn?

llmart

(15,540 posts)
43. That's how I see it.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 04:52 PM
Jan 2017

No more playing nice and getting along. As far as I'm concerned, this is all out war.

Yes, there are more of us than them and we all need to do whatever it is we can to defeat the orange GOP enemy!

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
47. Thank you, Nance!
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 06:02 PM
Jan 2017

My sheer rage at these goings-on has boiled over.

I will be on the phone every day, writing and calling.

I will also write and call GOPers, even though I come from a great blue state and my immediate Senators and Congressional Rep do the right things even without prompting. I'll just remind them of my support.

In my 70+ years, I have NEVER seen anything like this, although in the 1980s, I was afraid that the Reagan Era would lead to something like this. I would have been SOOO happy to be wrong.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,122 posts)
50. I can envision the Statue of Liberty being taken down by many differing groups.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 06:41 PM
Jan 2017

The alt right. The Left in Protest, Terrorists, South America, France, and on and on.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
51. Yes Yes Yes!
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 06:42 PM
Jan 2017

A thousand times Yes. I've lost a couple of somewhat casual friends over this when I told them outright they were bigots. I didn't know they were before but the attitude was "Since Trump was elected, now we can say it"

You're absolutely right, Nance:

This is WAR

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
54. I must admit, I'm usually pretty calm ...
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 07:22 PM
Jan 2017

... but I've had it with them. They're Suddenly Senile, forgetting everything they put Obama through, and are now bitching about not being given a chance.

If it's a war they want, then I'm pretty much ready to start swingin'.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
55. Trump is destroying innocent lives over NOTHING!
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 07:26 PM
Jan 2017

He lives in an ignorant, paranoid, fantasy world and should never have been allowed anywhere near political power.
Thousands of innocent people's lives will be disrupted and destroyed because of one man's deranged delusions.

What is next? If he is allowed to remain I'm sure all our lives will be damaged before long.
This is going to get intolerable very soon.
He is going to have to be eliminated if America is to survive.

deancr

(150 posts)
58. Thank you!
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 08:01 PM
Jan 2017

This is the time when one must pick a side. This is not normalcy.

I've lost friends over opposition to this madness. One I've known for over 45 years. No regrets. I'll stand with democracy and common decency. WE will win because we must.

byronius

(7,395 posts)
61. The most dangerous moment in human history.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 08:57 PM
Jan 2017

This is it. We all have to stiffen up and fight in every intelligent manner possible, in every situation.

We're not only more numerous, we're right in all senses from moral to strategic. It counts. It just does.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
66. Right On!
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 11:44 PM
Jan 2017

There are way more of us and we need to keep pushing back hard and voting in record number including local elections and mid term elections.

F them, Trump, Bannon, and all their fans. You will never prevail in the end.

ancianita

(36,058 posts)
70. Who are generals of "them"? Not governmental tools. It helps to know who is waging this war.
Sun Jan 29, 2017, 07:03 AM
Jan 2017

Americans of all classes and colors are fighting for a more survivable form of capitalism.

Even with the last gasps of capitalism's land base wars (under religious or political cover) the 74% who didn't vote for Trump know that skill, autonomy and social solidarity will survive any divisive ideological attacks, no matter how elitist globalists try to control and "own" their world.

Non-men, non-whites and non-believers are not turning back and will not be turned back. They are not backward. Global capitalists are, and they're losing.

We are creating postcapitalist zones.

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