"turn" them.

They are willing to support policies that will hurt them or worse

Until the checks/direct deposits actually stop coming and the medical bills stop getting paid, they won't believe it's going to happen to them.

If he doesn't, he will lose a lot of voters.

I honestly don't think the Repukes are quite that stupid. Some of them may want to kill SS and Medicare, but I don't think they will actually do it, not to current retirees anyway. They may screw over younger people, but most Trump/Repuke voters don't care about that.

cognitive dissonance makes my brain hurt.

That's a contradiction in terms right there.

Do these people have a switch that turns their brains off?

That's why they love his nasty non-PC behavior. But as far as we are concerned it's all just a distraction. We need to give them policies that address their concerns.

Their reality is fiction. Everything they believe is fiction. You cannot Reason with crazy.

These people look at their political party like an NFL football team. They don't support what their team does so much as what they think it represents. They identify with that.

Republicans represent the rich, powerful white guys. Democrats are weak women, Kenyans, Mexicans, and homosexuals. They want to be like the Republicans, and so they support them in everything they do, even as they refuse to see that almost everything they do is actually literally killing them.

Calling them all deplorables isn't going to work. Clinton had it right, we have to empathize with the ones that aren't deplorable. It's just that she was the wrong messenger because of years of personal attacks against her and attacks on "elites."

the heck with the reports in the dishonest media

But these guys gave up the FLAG by enabling this coup.

And deep down, they know it

There is a chunk of Trump supporters that want genocide. I'd say about 10 million people in this country would happily man the gas chambers to exterminate undesirables that Trump fingers (Media, liberals, Muslims, Mexicans).

1930s Germany is happening right before our eyes and people are still playing footsie with today's Hitler. When things start to go south for Trump is when we'll see something happen that makes genocide possible. There will be a terrible attack and it will begin. All of the signs are there.

If only this was simply a Democrat vs. Republican battle. It's far, far worse than that. I see a nation doomed.

Yes, you hit it. It's a war (WWIII if you like) of fascism vs. liberalism. It's on, and it's going to get very ugly very fast. Our democrats in congress are going to have to fight like they hoped they would never have to fight in order for us to have a ghost of a chance against Russia/Trump.

And they've been drawing a false equivalency between Cons reactions to the election of Barack Obama and the current reaction to the election of Trump. There is no comparison, Trump is a fascist white supremacist, Obama was a moderate who happened to be half black.

The last week should be an eye opener for everyone, this is just beginning and just wait until Trump faces a crisis that he can use to start getting Americans to start killing other Americans. It is going to happen here.

is to start being accommodating to minorities.

If he should strongly speak out in favor of gay marriage/equal rights, or totally reverse the insane and unconstitutional anti-Muslim agenda, some of these "people" would probably lose faith to some extent.

All things that are about as likely to happen as for one of these "people" to wake up one morning and decide that, "hey, full-on socialism doesn't really sound so bad...let's try it!"


...putting "people" in quotes b/c I'm not so sure about some of these fuckers.

Blind every one with fake news and the people who know a little of the actual truth look brilliant.

My brain and my heart won't let me

by the people that his supporters hate. We must actively conflate trump's incompetence with their stupidity by our consistent reporting to them of his fuck-ups and asocial, dogmatic policy.

Show them how choosing trump has only turned them into bigger losers than they already were. Show them how much their team sucks and cheats.

or truly gross & grand violations of civil rights, too many are getting too much that they want.

A few personal anecdotes about lost healthcare/medicaid, etc, or a few stories of isolated disillusionment re:something lost isn't going to matter.

Now if you were asking me to FEAR like a Trump supoorter rather than a Democrat, that I can do.

"Gotta protect what's rightfully MINE as a white Christian"*

That's pretty much the crux of it.

*applicable in the UK, France, etc.

I also think many people in rural areas don't believe they NEED anything from city folks.

They've got land, food, water, etc.

They're playing a game of chicken and they're confident that their monster truck will run over an urban Prius, symbolically-speaking.

where they couldn't ignore it. A major disaster that he mishandled in his effort to do it on the cheap.

Would they care about that?

the Katrina catastrophe. The corporate media simply refuses to make the connections between defunding government agencies tasked with disaster prevention and what happens when a disaster actually happens.

And the corporate media will not admit that racism is the reason that parts of New Orleans, the non-white parts, are still a disaster area.

and the 2014 pullout of troops that happened pursuant to a SOFA negotiated by the Bush Administration and signed by George W. Bush.

The level of ignorance of fact demonstrated by many GOP voters is astounding. They are the type of people that Lincoln was talking about when he said that some of the people can be fooled all of the time.

White victims are worthy victims deserving of help. Especially if they own large homes in Southern coastal areas that are damaged by hurricanes.

Or rich white farmers whose property is damaged when the Mississippi regularly floods.

In a rare neuroscience look at racial minorities, the study shows that African-Americans showed greater empathy for African-Americans facing adversity - in this case for victims of Hurricane Katrina - than Caucasians demonstrated for Caucasian-Americans in pain.

were liberals and God was punishing them. Then they would celebrate.

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His number one reason that he voted for tRump is because he thought he paid too much in taxes. This is a person whose quarterly bonus is more than my entire income for three years, and I'm not exaggerating. He is married to a minority, but he ignores the glaring racism on the right and actually would send me racist cartoons about President Obama until we got into a huge fight and then he backed off. He was an avid Glenn Beck fan for years, but he dumped him. I know he watches Fox "News." I don't think he cares about the social safety net whatsoever as he's socked away over a million for his retirement, and he doesn't care if I lose Social Security either and am literally poor and living under a bridge. He doesn't actually believe that will happen to me, though, but if I have nothing, then it was my own fault. Never mind that my career is being overtaken by offshoring to India and especially technology and that has eroded/eliminated all benefits, including 401(k), etc., and it takes literally everything I have to just pay my bills and stay afloat, and I'm too close to retirement to be making an investment into more college or training. He's also very bitter that people rely on welfare and food stamps, though his own daughter did for several years, but he does not care for her at all (never has taken to her). His attitude and the statements right out of his mouth are that he works harder than all of us that aren't making it. Yes, he did work extremely hard for years, but he doesn't understand that he was very, very lucky to find the position he did and that as a woman, I'm still paid less and that technology is overtaking my career and also that I, too, work very hard and am held to extremely high standards on my job. Those aren't excuses; it's the reality of the situation.

Anyway, I've tried to understand the world through his eyes, but I can't. Even if I earned his income, I know I would not be as selfish and judgmental as he is, and it saddens me that he has this attitude, which I find appalling, but I think it's very commonly found on the right. It's also strange that we could be raised by the same parents, in the same environment, etc., and become so extremely different. I love my brother as we have a shared past and are just 2 years apart, etc., but there's a big wedge between us now.

I thank Fox News and all the right-wing hate radio and programs that greatly distort or flat-out lie for a lot of this because if they weren't around, if we just watched Walter Cronkite, etc., like in the past, I think he wouldn't have gone off the rails like he did. It's the only explanation I can find for how he became so cold and selfish.

As far as what would make him turn against tRump and the GOP, only another great depression might, and then I'm not sure. He's completely brainwashed to the point that he doesn't feel uncomfortable with even tRump and the GOP's racism when his own wife and kids are not Caucasian and his son recently came out as gay. It mostly comes down to taxes, though, and how he believes the Democrats raise taxes. Oh, and he can't believe I'm an atheist either as he's a Christian and finds that terribly shocking, even weird, and that I'm not on board with tRump's anti-Muslim stance.

Anyway, there's no reaching my brother, and I feel he's typical.

His father was a CEO and behaved the same way according to my sister (the niece's mother).

Their high income was strictly due to their "hard work" and anyone struggling is a lazy good-for-nothing.

In my opinion, my niece's husband contributed less to society than someone getting paid minimum wage to clean public toilets.

I sometimes wondered if he felt guilty deep-down because he talked like that constantly, like how some religious people might go to church regularly to convince themselves it's all real. It's like self brainwashing.

My niece started talking more like him while they were married and it blew my mind because it went against her natural tendencies. Now that they've been divorced for a few years, I've noticed that she's expressing more liberal, altruistic views again.

Too cold blooded and his selfishness really bothers me. There were times during the last 10 years when we've been together, where he's surprisingly like how he used to be, and I'm so happy when he's like that, but those times are rare to nonexistent now. Actually, we barely see each other and only live an hour apart. He never even invites me to any holidays even though my husband and I are by ourselves, and we never engage in any conversations about religion or politics and really try to be cheerful and friendly when we do see him and his family, but we're liberals and too weird for him. Truly, right-wing hate media has destroyed my family.

Just before the election, my brother brought up politics with our elderly mom that was shockingly negative and full of blatant inaccurate info, and she tried to stick up for Hillary and he came unglued, yelling, "Do you want me to pay more taxes? Do you? Do you know how hard I work? Hillary's going to raise my taxes! Do you want me to pay more?" Mom said he was literally yelling in her ear, wouldn't let her hardly get a word in, and repeated those statements over and over. It really shook her. I came super close to calling him up and giving him a piece of my mind, but Mom asked me to not do that and just let it go. Ugh.

on their own, so they consider taxes to be like stealing. About the only services they think is worthy of their taxes is police and military protection.

They're basically told that by right-wing media.

It amazed me how they fought so hard to defend bankers and investors a few years ago, trying to put all the blame for the reckless behavior on the middle class and poor. In fact, this is the guy who probably started the "Tea Party" name:

DISGUSTING,POS,ASSHOLE! I hate this fucker with a passion!!!

Him and others who tried to deflect blame away from the greedy overlords.

then he got some push back and started whining about threats and how his children had to be protected. I can't remember the exact details now but ,I hate this MFKER!

Kiss the asses above him and ignore anything wrong when they wanted him too, while amorally doing their bidding. That's pretty much what it takes "to succeed" in business these days.

Not just honesty and fairness.... but economic prosperity.
Trump won simply because he promised everyone they'd be richer.
That formula has worked for aeons.

but one side was overtly racist, the voters in question would go for the racist side.

The heart of it is an economic promise (and all of Maslow's needs).
I fear we get too abstract.... thoughts like Stronger Together are nice
but they really don't put dinner on the table.

They don't think of much else in terms of defeat of the "libruls"

If somehow he were humiliated by Putin and made us into losers.

A 2018 Democratic Congress to make him look like more of a loser.

Getting his tax returns by hacking or whatever, showing he is a loser.

Maybe losing some court battles. Not every judge is a right winger yet. Striking down one of his doings as unconstitutional.

You used "think" and shit gibbon "supporter" in the same sentence. lol Too rich!

Although not many Trump supporters in area they have Trump signs all over trucks and when I glanced at one yesterday he smirked at me.

They feel it is their time, I don't see any way to reach them.

I think we have a better chance with the people who voted R to stay home next time and not vote. If my side had a president this bad I couldn't pinch my nose the next time.

...and believe that the Trump administration will be the time when manufacturing, mining, and other industries will see a surge in growth, with decent wages.

And then there are those who are social conservatives, in some cases one-issue voters, and went with the GOP because of the antiabortion and other stances.

In some of the above cases, I can well believe people held their noses to vote for Trump. I'm not justifying any of this, but I do think it's worth considering the desperation of the hope that manufacturing and mining are coming back. They won't have heard that the Democrats have for years had a proposal (Make It in America) to boost manufacturing, and they'll have instead bought the notion that Trump really is this skillful negotiator or at least strongman enough to make entire corporations and industries quake.

We can't get through to these people. We need to take our message to the 100 million eligible voters who don't vote--that's where our hope lies.

headache.

The die hards are not going to admit anything ever. It's the moderates and the mainstreamers that will hopefully wake up.

A lot of them went for Bernie too, then switched to Trump. I know some of those. This shows that economic populism works. And when I say, "a lot" I am talking about 2 to 5% in swing states and districts. We will not get those people who always vote R and always will.

Locate liberals in Georgia and find sane moderates there. Built the ground for 2018 and beyond. Trump's spate of Executive Orders will come back to bite the USA in the ass within months. Funny how the same people that called Presidential Executive Orders under President Obama now are cheering Trump on.

Now I'm playing with my poo. Off to wash my hands.

having sex with a young boy on the alter in a church, I have no idea.

I wouldn't say we're a "crimson" red state.

It's just that the Trump supporters are mostly loudmouthed assholes. With truck nuts and Confederate flag decals.

Because they are so "in your face", they seem like a much larger majority here than they actually are.

I shuffle groups of people in and out of my office each and every day. Politics comes up frequently. Only 3 people have acknowledged having voted for HRC. Of 14 employees, only one has "confessed" that her vote went to the Democrat. The others, as you intimated, are loudly, boldly and proudly hailing the Monster's election. The numbers may say 46%, but in rural GA, I'd be surprised if 4.6% cast a vote in her favor.

I know lots of people who voted for Hillary. We just aren't very vocal about it because we don't want our cars to get keyed by redneck assholes.

I don't understand them and I don't personally know any to pick their brains.

don't materialize, he's done.

Because there is no coming back from that.

Tell them that you're going to support House Resolution 621 01/24/17.

It's a bill introduced by Republican Jason Chaffetz that would auction or give away 3.3 million acres of public lands, lands that hunters and fishermen use for their sport.

With it being sold, they'll more than likely either be denied access to those lands or have to pay fees, including in former national parks. Also, the bill, which was made possible by Republican Congressman Rob Bishop's H.R. 5 on 01/03/17, allows for the lands to be converted, so strip mined or logged, destroyed for future generations. Yes, national parks too. Everything considered public land would be deemed to have no value and auctioned off as a burden to local economies.

Tell them while you're laughing in their face(s), that you're going to do everything in your power to make HR 621 the law of the land. Their kids will have to find other hobbies to enjoy doing with them. hahahahaha!!

You don't have to be serious. Act. Make yourself smile for a few minutes.

Think I'm kidding?

Before the fall: America's public lands on clearance rack
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028552922

Say goodbye to our national parks
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028547773

terms. His supporters are people with a combination of personality traits that include sadism, narcissism, psychopathy, sociopathy, and Machiavellianism. Each one is subtly different from the other, but they share certain traits that allow them to unify with one another in this case to support a madman. If you know anything about people who have these traits, you cannot change them, you cannot “get them on your side,” or “appeal to their better nature.” The only way that they will change is if THEY want to change.

Just because we cannot change them or get them to our side does not mean that we can’t “defeat” them. We must take a page out of their books by unifying behind our chosen candidates. Oftentimes, we demand absolute “purity” to a cause or endeavor to be able to support candidates. As we all know, politics (especially American politics) is messy and politicians make compromises that we don’t always agree with, but we can’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.

We are in “do or die” times now. The amount of instability that these fools have created from being in power for just ONE WEEK is enough to destabilize THE WORLD! The people on the left all have differing causes and belief systems, but we must come together and push our candidates into positions locally, by state, and hopefully, nationally. We must be disciplined about this!

If you’re interested in learning more about the personality traits described above, here are some links to some interesting reads about them:

Dealing With Everyday Sadists and Other "Dark Personalities": https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-integrationist/201408/dealing-everyday-sadists-and-other-dark-personalities

Differences between a psychopath versus sociopath:
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2015/02/12/differences-between-a-psychopath-vs-sociopath/

Narcissists or sociopath? Similarities, differences and signs: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-integrationist/201608/narcissist-or-sociopath-similarities-differences-and-signs

What is Machiavellianism in psychology? http://www.harleytherapy.co.uk/counselling/machiavellianism-psychology.htm

Scientists developed this 9-question test to measure how sadistic someone is: http://www.businessinsider.com/scientific-test-detect-sadism-sadist-2016-8

10 ways to spot and “everyday” sadist: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201503/10-ways-spot-everyday-sadist

TL;DR: They are sadists, narcissists, psychopaths, sociopaths, and/or Machiavellians. We can’t change them. But, we on the left must come together to support our chosen candidates and defeat them.

The Republicans' problem is that he can turn them on incumbents light a light switch.

If he appears to lose control of the economy, or foreign affairs, or even if he just loses control over the Republicans in Congress - they'll turn on him.

And, infuriatingly, they'll act as if they never really supported him in the first place.

They are weak-minded people, and they crave a mighty man to lead them. If he turns out to be not so mighty, they'll move along to the next alpha dog.